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AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jun 10 @ 3:23 PM ET
Bruce Cassidy would be an excellent fit

He has coached and developed young players like David Pastrnak and Charlie McAvoy from 2017 and getting the Bruins to the cup finals in 2019, after progressing every year. It's not his fault that the team lost Chara and the core is past it's prime. Also he's OTTAWA born and the Bruins team is exactly the type of team the Sens should strive to become (even though I hate that team more than any other lol)
PogBoi
Season Ticket Holder
Ottawa Senators
Location: Barrie, ON
Joined: 08.27.2020

Jun 10 @ 5:11 PM ET
DJ isn't going anywhere unless next season is really bad. Brady loves him.
spazzbot
Location: Maple Zombie
Joined: 02.14.2013

Jun 10 @ 5:57 PM ET
I say leave dj for this year and start with the removal of dorion. Then a new gm can evaluate what we have and make the neccesary changes.
Crosside
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 08.14.2019

Jun 10 @ 7:21 PM ET
Good interview by LeBlanc today. He said the sth have never be high since ten years. Old sponsors coming back. Melnyk daughter want to be progressive with the brand. The board gonna have a meeting this Tuesday to talk for increased players payroll
LawyerSens4Life
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 03.23.2022

Jun 10 @ 9:21 PM ET
Good interview by LeBlanc today. He said the sth have never be high since ten years. Old sponsors coming back. Melnyk daughter want to be progressive with the brand. The board gonna have a meeting this Tuesday to talk for increased players payroll
- Crosside


You gobbled up his interview, comical. This team has under 4,000 season tickets. I have 2 friends who are ticket account managers and they both told me, that Leblanc interview was the biggest sell job to try to get people to buy tickets and to make fans think all is rosie when it isn't. You could tell Leblanc told TSN1200 what needed to be asked, just like Dorion told TSN1200 in his last interview that nobody could ask him anything about McGuire and other things. Kevin layed it out on Twitter and even tagged the radio guys on it and they agreed about what he said.


LawyerSens4Life
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 03.23.2022

Jun 10 @ 9:22 PM ET
Good interview by LeBlanc today. He said the sth have never be high since ten years. Old sponsors coming back. Melnyk daughter want to be progressive with the brand. The board gonna have a meeting this Tuesday to talk for increased players payroll
- Crosside


Take it a step further, 10 years ago, this team had over 10,000 season tickets, just google articles from the papers back then. Leblanc spin doctor and lying to the fanbase, he learned it from Dorion.
LawyerSens4Life
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 03.23.2022

Jun 10 @ 9:23 PM ET
I say leave dj for this year and start with the removal of dorion. Then a new gm can evaluate what we have and make the neccesary changes.
- spazzbot


Neither have any business holding the positions they do at the NHL level. Its a clown show.
PuckPix
Joined: 01.12.2021

Jun 11 @ 12:59 AM ET
Neither have any business holding the positions they do at the NHL level. Its a clown show.
- LawyerSens4Life


Even the teams that had interim head coaches are looking to see if they can upgrade, rather than make the easy play and take the interim tag off. Florida and Chicago are proactive.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 12 @ 7:48 AM ET
Blackhawks are fully engaged in a stage one tear down and rebuild. They are leading the charge of teams looking for Conor Bedard and the other elite prospects at the top end of the 2023 lottery draft.

Despite having committed to a rebuild, Hawks do not have a 1st round pick for 2022. Columbus holds their first (6th overall) in the upcoming draft. It marks a significant delay in the Hawks beginning the rebuild phase. Hawks already have 2 firsts and 2 seconds in 2023. Safe assumption is that all players on Hawks roster are available for picks and prospects. Also, safe to assume most top tier players want out of Chicago despite their contract status.

Ottawa: 1st (2022), 2nd (2022) from Tampa, 3rd (2022) from Boston, Matt Murray, Colin White, Zaitsev.

Chicago: Seth Jones
Mithos
Joined: 04.14.2021

Jun 12 @ 7:53 AM ET
Blackhawks are fully engaged in a stage one tear down and rebuild. They are leading the charge of teams looking for Conor Bedard and the other elite prospects at the top end of the 2023 lottery draft.

Despite having committed to a rebuild, Hawks do not have a 1st or 2nd round pick for 2022. Columbus holds their first (6th overall) in the upcoming draft. It marks a significant delay in the Hawks beginning the rebuild phase. Hawks already have 2 firsts and 2 seconds in 2023. Safe assumption is that all players on Hawks roster are available for picks and prospects. Also, safe to assume most top tier players want out of Chicago despite their contract status.

Ottawa: 1st (2022), 2nd (2022), 3rd (2022), Matt Murray, Colin White, Zaitsev.

Chicago: Seth Jones

- spatso


that would be such a horrendously bad trade for OTT it would dwarf the duchene trade.... Subban 2.0
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 12 @ 8:06 AM ET
that would be such a horrendously bad trade for OTT it would dwarf the duchene trade.... Subban 2.0
- Mithos


Elite shut down Dmen are precious. But, in order for them to be successful they need to be paired with an elite offensive partner.

Jones paired with either Chabot or Sanderson (plus Zub on the other pair) would give the Sens a very solid back end.

Moving out the Murray, White and Zaitsev contracts (total cap of $15m) would allow the Sens to sign another UFA forward.
Mithos
Joined: 04.14.2021

Jun 12 @ 8:35 AM ET
Elite shut down Dmen are precious. But, in order for them to be successful they need to be paired with an elite offensive partner.

Jones paired with either Chabot or Sanderson (plus Zub on the other pair) would give the Sens a very solid back end.

Moving out the Murray, White and Zaitsev contracts (total cap of $15m) would allow the Sens to sign another UFA forward.

- spatso


OTT cannot afford to waste 9.5m on Jones when they will need to sign Pinto, Norris, Sanderson, Stu and a top 6 RW. and frankly before wasting assets and cap space lets play Thompson and JBD for more than 2-3 games and see how they do..
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 12 @ 8:53 AM ET
OTT cannot afford to waste 9.5m on Jones when they will need to sign Pinto, Norris, Sanderson, Stu and a top 6 RW. and frankly before wasting assets and cap space lets play Thompson and JBD for more than 2-3 games and see how they do..
- Mithos


If your perception is that Jones is too overpriced at $9.5m than you are probably right in your assessment of the situation and this kind of deal could never work for you. I don't think offering the 7th, 63rd and 88th pick from 2022 and including a salary dump in the deal is an overly generous offer.

My belief is that Jones needs to play with another elite player and when he does his defensive play in his own end is as good as anybody in the NHL. He also has an offensive upside but his gift is his physical defensive game.
Whatisavailable
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 08.20.2021

Jun 12 @ 3:21 PM ET
OTT cannot afford to waste 9.5m on Jones when they will need to sign Pinto, Norris, Sanderson, Stu and a top 6 RW. and frankly before wasting assets and cap space lets play Thompson and JBD for more than 2-3 games and see how they do..
- Mithos

100% agreement.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jun 12 @ 3:30 PM ET
Elite shut down Dmen are precious. But, in order for them to be successful they need to be paired with an elite offensive partner.

Jones paired with either Chabot or Sanderson (plus Zub on the other pair) would give the Sens a very solid back end.

Moving out the Murray, White and Zaitsev contracts (total cap of $15m) would allow the Sens to sign another UFA forward.

- spatso

I like the exploration of trade offers ....
spazzbot
Location: Maple Zombie
Joined: 02.14.2013

Jun 12 @ 7:24 PM ET
It would take a big trade to get rid of Murray, as he would be a throw in. The more real situation is lets hope he has a healthy year. Plays good for Ottawa and becomes the #1 or trade bait.

Imo , i think Sanderson should get some games at the start of the year then head to Bellville for awhile, then come back at some point. Theres a lot of hope resting on his shoulders
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 13 @ 6:31 AM ET
Eliot Friedman reporting that Sens are going to be hiring and they will be expanding their hockey operations staff. Interesting. Makes questions about the Pierre McGuire firing even more intriguing.
Octavarium
New York Islanders
Joined: 01.03.2007

Jun 13 @ 9:06 AM ET
You know it's funny. I looked at that Seth Jones proposal with a Chicago lens and went YUCK - no way in hell do they take on that much BAD money. Maybe you retain some on Murray and maybe you pay Zaitsev's riddiculous bonus on July 1st and MAYBE they go for it. Id' much prefer a play for Pastarnak. Colin White is from Boston. You trade them the 7th, White, and Forsberg and that's it. Good back up goalies are hard to find. They have a young kid who's good but still learning. Forsberg and his deal are an asset. And you call Krejci and lure him back too.

I don't mind Seth Jones, but after watching Nurse get walked around consistently in the playoffs (injured or not) I'm not sure we need to go the giant defenseman route.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 13 @ 9:33 AM ET
You know it's funny. I looked at that Seth Jones proposal with a Chicago lens and went YUCK - no way in hell do they take on that much BAD money. Maybe you retain some on Murray and maybe you pay Zaitsev's riddiculous bonus on July 1st and MAYBE they go for it. Id' much prefer a play for Pastarnak. Colin White is from Boston. You trade them the 7th, White, and Forsberg and that's it. Good back up goalies are hard to find. They have a young kid who's good but still learning. Forsberg and his deal are an asset. And you call Krejci and lure him back too.

I don't mind Seth Jones, but after watching Nurse get walked around consistently in the playoffs (injured or not) I'm not sure we need to go the giant defenseman route.

- Octavarium


Deals look really different depending on the lens each team is using to focus on the details.

Sens want to put the final touches on a D group that could compete for a Stanley Cup. Could Seth Jones paired with Chabot be the elite #1 and #2 combination that gives you 23 minutes a night? Could Zub and Sanderson be an effective #3 and #4 for a contending team.

Hawks would send $9.5m to the Sens. Sens would ship $15m plus back to the Hawks.

Make no mistake the Hawks are gunning for Conor Bedard. They will continue to tear down all through the 2022-23 season and the cap will not a pressing concern for several years.

Moving Seth Jones for a #7 and a very late 2nd (from Tampa) and the third (from Boston) would give the Hawks a full year head start on their rebuild. More important it should ensure that they would finalists in the Bedard sweepstakes.

But I would certainly listen if Boston called about Pasternak being made available.
Mithos
Joined: 04.14.2021

Jun 13 @ 11:10 AM ET
Deals look really different depending on the lens each team is using to focus on the details.

Sens want to put the final touches on a D group that could compete for a Stanley Cup. Could Seth Jones paired with Chabot be the elite #1 and #2 combination that gives you 23 minutes a night? Could Zub and Sanderson be an effective #3 and #4 for a contending team.

Hawks would send $9.5m to the Sens. Sens would ship $15m plus back to the Hawks.

Make no mistake the Hawks are gunning for Conor Bedard. They will continue to tear down all through the 2022-23 season and the cap will not a pressing concern for several years.

Moving Seth Jones for a #7 and a very late 2nd (from Tampa) and the third (from Boston) would give the Hawks a full year head start on their rebuild. More important it should ensure that they would finalists in the Bedard sweepstakes.

But I would certainly listen if Boston called about Pasternak being made available.

- spatso



Ott does not need a overpaid 9.5m RD they need a mark methot, I would not trade a 1st rounder yet alone a top 10 for jones.

If Chi wants a first they can have a top 10 protected I'm 2023 or 2024 for jones 50% retained if not they can keep him.
Trilla
Ottawa Senators
Location: ON
Joined: 06.02.2013

Jun 13 @ 12:05 PM ET
This team needs way more than a HC.

I agree, an upgrade is necessary, but also don’t buy the Sens are a Coach away from winning consistently.

This team has, for 2 seasons started winning games when the seasons were done, effectively ruining draft position.

They need to figure out the Murray situation real quick, as well as 2/3 goaltenders they plan on keeping. Then they need to figure out the Center position and address their D.

I’m optimistic, because the team has pieces, but I’m realistic as well. They need a lot of things to come together to even make the playoffs in this division.
spazzbot
Location: Maple Zombie
Joined: 02.14.2013

Jun 13 @ 12:09 PM ET
If theres any merit to toronto being interested in murray. Wich i doubt . I wonder if they would part with nylander. Maybe throw in muzzin.
RyeDog13
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 05.03.2018

Jun 13 @ 12:18 PM ET
I think we need to keep the defense the way it is right now and see what we have with Thompson/Sanderson and beyond that JBD. What message would it send to Thompson and the other youngin's if we bring in a high cost d-man and plunk him in where the rookies should have been this year. I think there is a way to work a trade with the Oilers barring some NMC clauses and a touch of salary retention (say 600k to even it out), they need to get rid of salary and find a goalie, Duncan Keith being one of them, a trade could be worked out for Murray, cap hit is relatively the same, they take a shot at Murray returning to form, we get a veteran D to help the young ones, he plays the 5-6 mentor role for one year, seems low risk for both teams given the term left on the contracts, get us away from three 1-way goalie contracts and there is little cash coming back our way.
Hopefully our D would look like this
Chabot/Thompson
Sandy/Zub
Keith/unfortunately Zaitsev for as long as he isnt traded.
Now Keith may want to wait to be bought out and sign a league minimum with a contender, but if he waves to come here then it works.
Thoughts?
RyeDog13
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 05.03.2018

Jun 13 @ 1:36 PM ET
GrimmDaGoalie I think hit the nail on the head perfectly with this on PD, he is covering his ass at the expense of the team

"However, I understand PD keeping DJ around. It's gives him a move to make, to try to keep his job and to prove that he is in charge and willing to make hard decisions, in that he waits to see how the team is doing after 20 games. If they aren't doing well, he fires DJ and replaces him with Mann. Then he sees how the team responds....if the team responds to change and rally around Mann, great. If not, he goes searching for a new coach next summer"
Grimm's words
GrimmdaGoalie
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.07.2016

Jun 13 @ 2:40 PM ET
I think we need to keep the defense the way it is right now and see what we have with Thompson/Sanderson and beyond that JBD. What message would it send to Thompson and the other youngin's if we bring in a high cost d-man and plunk him in where the rookies should have been this year. I think there is a way to work a trade with the Oilers barring some NMC clauses and a touch of salary retention (say 600k to even it out), they need to get rid of salary and find a goalie, Duncan Keith being one of them, a trade could be worked out for Murray, cap hit is relatively the same, they take a shot at Murray returning to form, we get a veteran D to help the young ones, he plays the 5-6 mentor role for one year, seems low risk for both teams given the term left on the contracts, get us away from three 1-way goalie contracts and there is little cash coming back our way.
Hopefully our D would look like this
Chabot/Thompson
Sandy/Zub
Keith/unfortunately Zaitsev for as long as he isnt traded.
Now Keith may want to wait to be bought out and sign a league minimum with a contender, but if he waves to come here then it works.
Thoughts?

- RyeDog13


Keith absolutely will not come to Ottawa....he has a kid on the west coast and that was the reason he accepted the trade to Edmonton.

I think a lot of people are making the (faulty) assumption Sanderson has a spot on the D next year. If anything the Sens are over cautious when it comes to Dmen. It's the only thing that explains their hesitation with JBD and Thomson

D will be fine if they get rid of Zaitsev. Addition by subtraction.
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