So many coaches available, a chance for a real change in things.

These morons are going to go with Torts, and some bullpoop aggressive retool.

It’s just disgusting. Behind the times, is a phrase that’s so appropriate.
- FlyerFan3260

Torts 19 seasons
made it out of the first round 6 times so 13 seasons either one and done or DNQ. Got to the final once and won one Cup. Meh, I'm not that impressed and, if the Flyers aren't so banged up that they're forced to play Sami Kapanen and Mattias Timander on D for significant minutes, they don't get to that final. He is big time overrated.

Trotz 23 seasons
Started out with a new expansion club that did not have the benefit of today's type of expansion draft. Missed the playoffs his first five years as GM Poile built his team slowly through the draft. Since then, only missed the playoffs 3 times in 18 seasons. 8 trips to at the 2nd round in those 18 years, 3 to the conference final and a Cup. He's better than Torts, but at this point in his career, I don't think he's the guy to build a team from the ground up which is what the Flyers SHOULD be doing. But, if it has to be one of these two, he's far and away the better choice.

Find a way to move ex selke to the rangers. Wouldn't that be fun.

Ok so you have all the excuses why he’s been successful despite what his actual record shows over the past 15 years. My opinion makes me a fool so there’s nothing else to be said. Sorry to see you sink to that level but insults are pretty much par for the course on this site. Have a great day Bill.
- Djapana

Didn't call you a fool. I said its foolish to say Tortorella has been anything other than a successful coach. His "actual record" shows that he is the second winningest American coach in NHL history. He has a career coaching record very similar to Mike Keenan's. Two Jack Adams Trophies (five-time finalist). He's a good coach, period.

An interesting, yet conflicting article from Carchidi today:

https://phillyhockeynow.c...y-rebuild-chuck-fletcher/

What do you all think?
- jd250

Translation:
"The Flyers are a poopshow and I too have no clue on how to really fix things, so I'll just bullpoop something up for clicks." — Sam Carchidi

Trotz or Torts at this stage of their career do not want a rebuild or any part of one. They will want to win "now". Therefore imo they will have chucks ear and could careless about the future so to speak. Picks, prospects, younger unestablished plyers will all be on the table to move forward for a bottom seed playoff spot. Many of Chucks picks are still ways away from contributing.

Be interesting what they think of Hart. Also will they want a vet goalie and bury Ivan II?

Didn't call you a fool. I said its foolish to say Tortorella has been anything other than a successful coach. His "actual record" shows that he is the second winningest American coach in NHL history. He has a career coaching record very similar to Mike Keenan's. Two Jack Adams Trophies (five-time finalist). He's a good coach, period.
- bmeltzer

Who will be the 1st player traded once he is named coach? Any guesses Bill?

Translation:
"The Flyers are a poopshow and I too have no clue on how to really fix things, so I'll just bullpoop something up for clicks." — Sam Carchidi
- Bendecko

The article was the typical slop from Carchidi.

Which would mean Dave Scott would essentially be admitting that he is a complete moron.
- MJL

If he is not reassigned also.

So many coaches available, a chance for a real change in things.

These morons are going to go with Torts, and some bullpoop aggressive retool.

It’s just disgusting. Behind the times, is a phrase that’s so appropriate.
- FlyerFan3260

What other coaches are going to "Change" things? Ever since Laviollette was fired this team has underachieved. Tortz and Trotz are the two coaches that can take this roster and do something with it. Both coaches will improve this team defensively which these players desperately need to learn to do. Even if the Flyers wanted to tear it down, the chances of getting Bedard are low. Given the fact the team might actually be healthy this season, they would need to suck more than 31 other teams plus be lucky enough to win the lottery.

Im in favour of a rebuild but that isnt going to happen.

If he is not reassigned also.
- jd250

He's going to reassign himself?

Translation:
"The Flyers are a poopshow and I too have no clue on how to really fix things, so I'll just bullpoop something up for clicks." — Sam Carchidi
- Bendecko

I dont agree. Im with Carchidi on this one with trading Provorov and or Konecny. This team is not going to become a contender by doing nothing.

Flyers have to take the players that have value to other teams and trade them for 1sts and top prospects. Flyers wont likely be able to fix this team by adding to it, simply sitting back and going with the status quo is not going to improve the team.

Fact is we are at a point where we need to sell pieces with value while they are valuable and start bottoming out and rebuilding. The franchise is not in good shape prospect wise. Sure we got some good young players who will be good supporting pieces but we have no one that can step in and replace Voracek, Giroux or Couturier. We no longer have 2 of those 3 and who knows how long Couturier will be a top player in the league.

He could be good as long as Bergeron was, or maybe just 5 year or maybe his back issue causes him to no longer be the same player. At the end of the day we are on borrowed time. Do we realistically think in 5 years we will have a Couturier replacement in our system? It is highly unlikely if we just sit back and use one 1st round pick per season.

Flyers are in a state where they do need to move some of Provorov, Sanheim, Konecny, Lindblom, Couturier, Farabee, Ristolainen.

You arent going to get the pieces we need for guys like Hayes, Atkinson, JVR and Ellis, even if you manage to sell them. 2023 is supposed to be a deep draft. We need to get as many picks as we can for that draft and hope we strike gold.

I dont agree. Im with Carchidi on this one with trading Provorov and or Konecny. This team is not going to become a contender by doing nothing.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I guess you're also with Carchidi in not realizing that you aren't going to get another teams high first round pick for Provorov or Konecny.

Who will be the 1st player traded once he is named coach? Any guesses Bill?
- hello it's me 2050

JVR

So trade Provorov and hope Ellis plays 70 games is the plan? I guess that would assume York is also ready for a top 4 role. Certainly a plan I did not see coming. Now if the plan is to trade Provorov for another Dman would sure like to see some names coming back.

Trotz or Torts at this stage of their career do not want a rebuild or any part of one. They will want to win "now". Therefore imo they will have chucks ear and could careless about the future so to speak. Picks, prospects, younger unestablished plyers will all be on the table to move forward for a bottom seed playoff spot. Many of Chucks picks are still ways away from contributing.

Be interesting what they think of Hart. Also will they want a vet goalie and bury Ivan II?
- hello it's me 2050

Very good point. No veteran coach is going to take a job knowing their is a good chance they'll be back in the unemployment line after a couple seasons. They'll definitely be going full throttle on the "win now" mantra.

If the Flyers go sideways next season, I believe you will see Fletcher gone and a complete overhaul underway.
- jd250

He should have been gone yesterday. For the organization to put the fans fans in the position to hope for failure to do the right things to improve the team...they can go (frank) themselves too

I dont agree. Im with Carchidi on this one with trading Provorov and or Konecny. This team is not going to become a contender by doing nothing.

Flyers have to take the players that have value to other teams and trade them for 1sts and top prospects. Flyers wont likely be able to fix this team by adding to it, simply sitting back and going with the status quo is not going to improve the team.

Fact is we are at a point where we need to sell pieces with value while they are valuable and start bottoming out and rebuilding. The franchise is not in good shape prospect wise. Sure we got some good young players who will be good supporting pieces but we have no one that can step in and replace Voracek, Giroux or Couturier. We no longer have 2 of those 3 and who knows how long Couturier will be a top player in the league.

He could be good as long as Bergeron was, or maybe just 5 year or maybe his back issue causes him to no longer be the same player. At the end of the day we are on borrowed time. Do we realistically think in 5 years we will have a Couturier replacement in our system? It is highly unlikely if we just sit back and use one 1st round pick per season.

Flyers are in a state where they do need to move some of Provorov, Sanheim, Konecny, Lindblom, Couturier, Farabee, Ristolainen.

You arent going to get the pieces we need for guys like Hayes, Atkinson, JVR and Ellis, even if you manage to sell them. 2023 is supposed to be a deep draft. We need to get as many picks as we can for that draft and hope we strike gold.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

and chuck shouldnt be the guy making those trades

I really hope they do hire Tortorella. This team is more than a good coach away from being a contender, and we are already aware of what Fletcher is going to do this off-season.

So my philosophy is I want the Flyers to hire the coach that will provide the most entertainment. Tortorella will be perfect. Media meltdowns, questionable lineup decisions, referee entanglements, you name it. It’s going to be great! I’m going to the store to stock up on popcorn right now!

Torts 19 seasons
made it out of the first round 6 times so 13 seasons either one and done or DNQ. Got to the final once and won one Cup. Meh, I'm not that impressed and, if the Flyers aren't so banged up that they're forced to play Sami Kapanen and Mattias Timander on D for significant minutes, they don't get to that final. He is big time overrated.

Trotz 23 seasons
Started out with a new expansion club that did not have the benefit of today's type of expansion draft. Missed the playoffs his first five years as GM Poile built his team slowly through the draft. Since then, only missed the playoffs 3 times in 18 seasons. 8 trips to at the 2nd round in those 18 years, 3 to the conference final and a Cup. He's better than Torts, but at this point in his career, I don't think he's the guy to build a team from the ground up which is what the Flyers SHOULD be doing. But, if it has to be one of these two, he's far and away the better choice.
- BiggE

Not to mention the loss of Eric Desjardins before the playoffs even began. I believe Torts can change the culture of an organization for the better but this doesn’t equal success.

Does it even really matter who coaches the Flyers next? Look at the teams that made the final four. Does the Flyers style of play even approach any of those teams. They aren't even in the same stratosphere when it comes to skating, passing, stickhandling and on ice awareness. The Flyers are the knuckle draggers of the NHL and will continue to be under either Tortorella or Trotz (or any other coach for that matter). Until they remove themselves from the 70's, they will continue to be the boring, unskilled team that they currently are today.
- mr4tno

Why do people continue to utter this crap? Yes, they have major issues, but in what way are they still stuck in the 70's? This team is NOTHING like the teams that they had in the 70's. They are softer than Charmain toilet paper. Not sure why people keep referring to this team as being stuck in the 70's?

Why do people continue to utter this crap? Yes, they have major issues, but in what way are they still stuck in the 70's? This team is NOTHING like the teams that they had in the 70's. They are softer than Charmain toilet paper. Not sure why people keep referring to this team as being stuck in the 70's?
- Phillywhiteout

Open your mind. He is referring to the way they run the team. It's been talked about ad nauseum.

I really hope they do hire Tortorella. This team is more than a good coach away from being a contender, and we are already aware of what Fletcher is going to do this off-season.

So my philosophy is I want the Flyers to hire the coach that will provide the most entertainment. Tortorella will be perfect. Media meltdowns, questionable lineup decisions, referee entanglements, you name it. It’s going to be great! I’m going to the store to stock up on popcorn right now!
- StepfordSam

Kind of with you on this, they won’t tear it down so what does it matter. Gonna be stuck in neutral for a few more years. You can’t even put a number on the years it will take to make this team relevant again.

I’ll take torts over trots at this point. These guys need to learn to play right and get punished when lazy. Might not be the most exciting hockey in the world, but I believe he’ll be good for the youngsters

...he’ll be good for the youngsters
- PhillaBully

See: Laine and Dubois.