Just do me a favor and don't look up Anthony Stolarz's numbers.
- duxcup07

I said this yesterday, but it's hard to look at the numbers. I see some citations and I don't think they're that accurate. I mean this is last year based on appearing in at least 15 games and using 5v5 situations (67 qualified goalies):

HD GDSAA/60 (top 5: Sorokin, Shesterkin, Husso, Knight, Kuemper)

24. Stolarz: 0.08
26. Gibson: 0.07

60. Campbell: -0.3
66. Mrazek: -0.45


MD GSAA/60 (top 5: Comrie, Vasilevskiy, Allen, Francouz, Stolarz)

5. Stolarz: 0.23
54. Gibson: -0.14

10. Campbell: 0.17
66. Mrazek: -0.44

LD GSAA/60 (top 5: Vladar, Gustavsson, Murray, DeSmith, Holtby)

61. Gibson: -0.17
66. Stolarz: -0.25

15. Campbell: 0.11
29. Mrazek: 0.04


So what is the measure of a defense here? If we want to talk just quantity for now, Mrazek faced the 14th fewest HD chances / 60 and Campbell faced the 18th fewest. By the same token Stolarz was 26 and Gibson was 56th.

In terms of MD chances, Mrazek was 6th fewest and Campbell was 47th fewest; Gibson 32nd and Stolarz 37th.

CC points out that we needed some HD saves - and he is absolutely not wrong. But we don't give up that many HD chances by contrast - if a guy like Gibson is making the extra HD save, but allowing an extra MD goal (where there's a lot more shots faced), I'm not sure it's a tradeoff that works. Certainly their LD save performance was abysmal.

Fleury wasn't much better:

HDGS 44th / -0.07; MD: 21st / 0.08; LD: 35th / 0.01.

Varlamov:

HDGS 45th / -0.09; MD: 40st / -0.03; LD: 32nd / 0.02.

I wouldn't like the idea of Comrie since he has no history other than one 19 game season as a a backup. That's even less proven that Campbell.
- Monkeypunk

There is risk in trading, or signing any goalie.. Keeping Campbell and Mrazek is also risky.. Don't know if Mrazek can bounce back or if his play last season is his best? Last season, Campbell had his ups and downs, with some really solid play and then some less than stellar performances.

There is risk in trading for Gibson, I get that... I do think he is still the best option available.. Plus, he's got decent playoff numbers.. GAA of 2.80 and a save % of .912 in the playoffs for his career.

Anaheim is in a transition/rebuild now.. If the Leafs are a team he is willing to be traded to, I hope Dubas has called and asked about him several times.

I think Wright will be close to a PPG 2 way centre in the NHL. Kinda like Jonathan Toews in his prime.

He spent the last season really working on his defensive game, really going down low to help his defense.

He has almost no point "on the rush" because of it, which is unsusual for a CHL player.

Bottom line, I'm excited about the Habs picking him... unless of course they decide to go with Slafkovsky who looks like a fun project but with way more question marks imo.
- Scabeh

Toews may not be a bad comparison. Toews did seem more NHL ready when he started than I think Wright will be (despite the body size advantage that Wright possesses). Ultimately I think you're right that a few years of near PPG play from Wright is probably in the cards.

I think with a guy like Shane Wright there's an optimism shaded by the cloud of expectation. He was granted exceptional player status but when you watched him, he was never that exceptional. I was - at the junior level - more impressed by other players previously who didn't come with the same name recognition but who have not blown the NHL's doors off, at least yet.

I mean the only other exceptional players he can even compare to are Tavares, Ekblad, McDavid, Veleno, Bedard and Sean Day.

He's definitely better than Veleno and Day!

Bedard looks to be alot better, but we'll see.
Im hoping Wright ends up being a little better than Yakupov. That would be great to see for the habs.

- Fakepartofme

Lafreniere came with alot of hype but after seasons of 21 points in 56 games and 31 points in 79 games, I'm not that impressed. At least with those point totals his next contract will not be super high.

Think its a pretty simple thing. Do you spend 5mil or more on questionable starters who havent shown much, run with Campbell or Mrazek? Or would you be more comfortable with a goalie who has shown he can be a top flight goalie? Gibson is only turning 29 and we would have him for four years.

No brainer really depending on cost. Could see a larger deal here with the Ducks honestly.

I agree.. Comrie would be a cheaper option, but they'd still need another goalie. I don't see Mrazek coming back.
- PatC80

Matt Murray after the Sens buy him out and signed for 900K

Toews may not be a bad comparison. Toews did seem more NHL ready when he started than I think Wright will be (despite the body size advantage that Wright possesses). Ultimately I think you're right that a few years of near PPG play from Wright is probably in the cards.

I think with a guy like Shane Wright there's an optimism shaded by the cloud of expectation. He was granted exceptional player status but when you watched him, he was never that exceptional. I was - at the junior level - more impressed by other players previously who didn't come with the same name recognition but who have not blown the NHL's doors off, at least yet.

I mean the only other exceptional players he can even compare to are Tavares, Ekblad, McDavid, Veleno, Bedard and Sean Day.

He's definitely better than Veleno and Day!
- Monkeypunk

And let's be honest, Wright's first season in the OHL was insanity.

Who knows how much that whole season lost affected him too. Maybe he goes back on track to that top tier exceptionnal status players but I doubt it.

Think its a pretty simple thing. Do you spend 5mil or more on questionable starters who havent shown much, run with Campbell or Mrazek? Or would you be more comfortable with a goalie who has shown he can be a top flight goalie? Gibson is only turning 29 and we would have him for four years.

No brainer really depending on cost. Could see a larger deal here with the Ducks honestly.
- Roadrunner75

I don't disagree, the problem for the Leafs is they likely would not consider this deal if there is no retained salary. For the Ducks, who may be on a five year rebuild plan, I doubt very much they would want to retain significant salary for 5 years.

Play style his huge for goalies, has to be a fit.

Friedman said a month ago Dubas has been looking to get him in years past, if one thing is for sure he likes the way he plays for the system the Leafs have.

This could be a chance to get a top goalie in the league for cheaper than it should cost, there is a risk and I don't think anyone is doubting it.

I also think any team looking to trade him has analyzed him and have true belief he will be good, and that it it not a risk.
- Santo_44

I don't think the cheaper aspect of it will play out in the long term. The goaltending market is pretty weak and there's going to be more than one team out there that are content paying up for Gibson that have the cap space to run the risk and the assets to spare. That will drive the cost up.

Gibson reeks of a Buffalo move.

Matt Murray after the Sens buy him out and signed for 900K
- dmnted

Murray as the #1 guy here?

Murray as the #1 guy here?


- PatC80

Yeah no. Why? So he can sit on Robidas Island and we get the ltir money out of him? Only reason there. Guy’s more injured than Campbell and worse in net. Hard pass.

Murray as the #1 guy here?


- PatC80

1B not way 1C no wait 1B no wait 1C

And let's be honest, Wright's first season in the OHL was insanity.

Who knows how much that whole season lost affected him too. Maybe he goes back on track to that top tier exceptionnal status players but I doubt it.
- Scabeh

His 66pts in 58 games was insanity?
That must mean kyle wellwoods first season in the ohl was "nuts" (51pts in 65games) and his 2nd was "insanity x 2"! ( 118pts in 68games)
:p

His 66pts in 58 games was insanity?
That must mean kyle wellwoods first season in the ohl was "nuts" (51pts in 65games) and his 2nd was "insanity x 2"! ( 118pts in 68games)
:p
- Fakepartofme

Scoring 66 points in 58 games, including 39 goals as a 15/16 year old was indeed insane.

It was very similar to McDavids first year in the OHL at the same age.

Price went through a 4 year stretch where he had .900, .918, .909, .901

There is more to it than these numbers
- Santo_44

sure, but Id rather not use hopes and prayers instead

Murray as the #1 guy here?


- PatC80

Stay away from Matt Murray.

He sucks.

If you sign him for cheap, great! But he still sucks.

Gibson + Rakell
for
Biggs
- mr.sir

Yeah not the Leaf's best trade... You got Burke'd...

Stay away from Matt Murray.

He sucks.

If you sign him for cheap, great! But he still sucks.
- Scabeh

Agree, Signing Campbell for 3 years to a reasonable number probably the Leafs best option, then fire Mrazek into the sun and get a backup for under $1M.

Murray as the #1 guy here?


- PatC80

He got wound up with DJ Smith riding him .. how's he gonna react with Toronto media... oooff..

Scoring 66 points in 58 games, including 39 goals as a 15/16 year old was indeed insane.

It was very similar to McDavids first year in the OHL at the same age.
- Scabeh

Ya I know it was pretty good for a 15 year old.
Just messing with ya.....your future wellwood will be a nice addition.

His 66pts in 58 games was insanity?
That must mean kyle wellwoods first season in the ohl was "nuts" (51pts in 65games) and his 2nd was "insanity x 2"! ( 118pts in 68games)
:p
- Fakepartofme

You know what was nuts? It was the pandemic.

Shane Wright as a 16 year old was by far the best player on his team in his first year. Kingston sucks. The only thing lower than their goalie's save percentage is dogecoin.

Is Wright a superstar? It really doesn't look like it. But he should be a good player. I think he has more upside than an RNH or Taylor Hall, but less flash than a guy like Lafreniere.

WHL playoffs MVP Kaiden Guhle will help ruin our sure thing top 3 pick next year.

1st overall pick Shane Wright will also have something to say about that.

The future is bright in Montreal.

Enjoy Mrazek.
- Scabeh

Yeah Oil Kings memorial cup MVP Griffin Reinhart went on to super stardom.

Stay away from Matt Murray.

He sucks.

If you sign him for cheap, great! But he still sucks.
- Scabeh

I've also heard people throw around Holtby's name.

if you glued Holtby to Murray and made them twice as big, they'd just suck twice as much.

I see a lot of hand wringing over Gibson here..

You guys are looking at all wrong.. trust me on this..Looking at his #'s the past 3 seasons is meaningless.

He's had to carry a pretty crappy Ducks squad solo for 4 yrs.. that would crush anyone... winning games 2-1 or shutout facing 40+ shots ..literally a lot of nights. D men making boneheaded plays etc...

The Leafs score goals in bunches... his workload and having to be damn near perfect every time out would vanish... He'd be totally rejuvenated... There is very limited downside here for Leafs...

If we don't trade him you'll see a very different goalie with the Ducks getting much better this yr... growth from all the kids and the FA adds along with some trades and the hammer Mason McTavish coming on board... The best player not in the NHL right now...

Yeah Oil Kings memorial cup MVP Griffin Reinhart went on to super stardom.
- TurdFergeson

My favourite thing about Griffin Reinhart is that he's one more thing I can rile up my Oiler-fan friend about. They gave up a 1st and a 2nd for him. Matt Barzal and Mitchell Stephens. Mitchell Stephens was picked 2 spots ahead of Carolina's Aho. Imagine if in one draft the Oilers had scooped McDavid, Barzal and Aho.

Ah. Peter Chiarelli. The michelin chef of f'n over his own team. He's so awful you'd think Mike Milbury planted him so we could forget about him.