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Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jun 17 @ 8:29 PM ET
Funny let's stay away from college kids no matter how good they are, because they might not sign with us. Well maybe if you actually tried to make it look like you want to win, it probably wouldn't be a problem.
- Buff36


Funny, the better the college player, the better the chance they have multiple options and choose a different team.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 17 @ 8:31 PM ET
If KA’s options at 9 were Kemell, Lekkerimaki, or Nazar, who would you guys like to see drafted?
- PrinceChill


Tough one. If only those 3 I say lek today.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 17 @ 8:34 PM ET
Funny, the better the college player, the better the chance they have multiple options and choose a different team.
- Boss34

Every league has there own rules on that, if your team isn't a sh!t show you really shouldn't need to worry.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 17 @ 8:36 PM ET
Johnson and Portillo are on the prospect camp invite list. If they don't show, then I'll be worried.
- kaleta36


The list isn't out yet, but both should be at camp. The last draft pick I can recall that didn't even bother coming was gustav possler.

Injuries aside.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 17 @ 8:48 PM ET
homie, back to back
Edit: Grand Silami to
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jun 17 @ 8:50 PM ET
Funny, the better the college player, the better the chance they have multiple options and choose a different team.
- Boss34


The better the player the less likely they are to wait 4 years to turn pro. The system is rigged in favor of the NHL teams and against prospects/younger players.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 17 @ 8:57 PM ET
The better the player the less likely they are to wait 4 years to turn pro. The system is rigged in favor of the NHL teams and against prospects/younger players.
- Lunaion

I have a theory. Hear me out!! That a decade of Sh!t could have some cause for certain players not wanting to be here.
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

Jun 17 @ 9:07 PM ET
10-1


Oh My

Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 17 @ 9:25 PM ET
10-1


Oh My


- SABRES 89

Donaldson has been brutal lately
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jun 17 @ 9:27 PM ET
Donaldson has been brutal lately
- Buff36


True, but he is still the best bet at 3b. This Carpenter thing is fun but very temporary
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 17 @ 9:33 PM ET
True, but he is still the best bet at 3b. This Carpenter thing is fun but very temporary
- Slump Buster

Could be!! Might as well roll with it though. If I am gonna get 3K's and 6 LOB from Donaldson.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 17 @ 9:39 PM ET
Don't get me started on 'want to be here' when most of these guys are more or less forced to be here.
- Lunaion

Very True!! I just don't like the theory of not drafting College kids because they might not sign. Basically have that in every league. If you have a well run Organization, it shouldn't be a problem. Sucks to say but the Sabres bring a lot of this crap on themselves, just horribly run the last decade.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Jun 17 @ 10:05 PM ET
If KA’s options at 9 were Kemell, Lekkerimaki, or Nazar, who would you guys like to see drafted?
- PrinceChill


Nazar by a whisker.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jun 17 @ 10:07 PM ET
Very True!! I just don't like the theory of not drafting College kids because they might not sign. Basically have that in every league. If you have a well run Organization, it shouldn't be a problem. Sucks to say but the Sabres bring a lot of this crap on themselves, just horribly run the last decade.
- Buff36


It's just backwards to me. You have an advantage taking non-CHL players later in the draft because you hold their rights longer. This isn't a college problem, it's just where lower rated players go and sometimes they end up being late bloomers. The exact same thing happens with the Euro leagues.

VO signed just before they lost his rights. JB got him signed.

If Hagel wasn't a CHL player, that likely goes a different way.

Mid-Late CHL players are the real risk.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 17 @ 10:28 PM ET
It's just backwards to me. You have an advantage taking non-CHL players later in the draft because you hold their rights longer. This isn't a college problem, it's just where lower rated players go and sometimes they end up being late bloomers. The exact same thing happens with the Euro leagues.

VO signed just before they lost his rights. JB got him signed.

If Hagel wasn't a CHL player, that likely goes a different way.

Mid-Late CHL players are the real risk.

- Lunaion

Good Post
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 18 @ 6:24 AM ET
https://buffalonews.com/s...ec-881d-e334b1bf0f1d.html
Good read!!
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 18 @ 7:23 AM ET
Really need to get away from the idea that college players are the bigger risk.
- Lunaion


It is the risk of wasting 4 years of involvement with said player, only yo have them leave.

The combination of a below average team/organization and college bound is a high risk.

Vessey, Peterson, Johnson, Levi, Portillo.
If that doesn't cause one to give their head a shake in this context, what would?
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 18 @ 7:42 AM ET
It is the risk of wasting 4 years of involvement with said player, only yo have them leave.

The combination of a below average team/organization and college bound is a high risk.

Vessey, Peterson, Johnson, Levi, Portillo.
If that doesn't cause one to give their head a shake in this context, what would?

- IonSabres

Think it's more organization at this point, think things are changing now hopefully. But the last 12yrs have had a lot to do with it.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 18 @ 7:47 AM ET
So is Husso worth a 4yr 3.5-4m a year deal.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 18 @ 7:53 AM ET
So would anyone trade Girgensons for Calgary's 2nd and Lucic if he waved.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 18 @ 7:57 AM ET
Think it's more organization at this point, think things are changing now hopefully. But the last 12yrs have had a lot to do with it.
- Buff36


To me, it is a combination.
I mentioned in my original post in response to 34's Q... about the org side of it, and it is very true.
We haven't seen this with other draft choices. To me it isn't a mere coincidence.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 18 @ 8:04 AM ET
To me, it is a combination.
I mentioned in my original post in response to 34's Q... about the org side of it, and it is very true.
We haven't seen this with other draft choices. To me it isn't a mere coincidence.

- IonSabres

Could be, but most leagues have a out if the player chooses it, whether it be 3yrs- 4yrs or European. These kids aren't stupid, they see things and hear things. Lot of those college kids are well of already, what's 1 more year of school and then I have my choice.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jun 18 @ 8:15 AM ET
So is Husso worth a 4yr 3.5-4m a year deal.
- Buff36


Husso's predicted deal is 4 years at $4.9M per.
Jacob582
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.06.2012

Jun 18 @ 8:17 AM ET
So would anyone trade Girgensons for Calgary's 2nd and Lucic if he waved.
- Buff36

No
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 18 @ 8:17 AM ET
Husso's predicted deal is 4 years at $4.9M per.
- kingcong39

Yeah saw that on Evolving Hockey, just going of what Pagnotta said last night. 3 to 4yrs at 3-4m a year
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