I am not advocating for anything. I am simply stating the real possibility that given the uncertainty of players potentially picked in the top 10, Fletcher might trade down a few spots to pick up a 2nd round pick as he did in 2019 when he drafted York at 14 and Brink in the early 2nd round. I further expounded that if Fletcher decided to do this it might be better to get a 2nd rounder in 2023 which is considered a much deeper draft class. I would prefer the Flyers pick in the top 5 of course, in fact I previously advocated Fletcher move up aggressively to get the player his team targets, but I am not part of the Flyers scouting team, so they might determine picking 5th or picking 9th doesn't matter all that much in this particular draft.
- jd250

Sure you are. Here is your comment

"It seems to me this is the draft to make such a move given the uncertainty of the top players"

After shouting from the highest mountain tops over and over and over that the Flyers need a top 5 pick to get an elite player. LOL

Here is what happen. The same thing that happens daily. You heard or read something in the media, and you parrot it. Without any consideration or thought to your own posting past.

The JOB pick was another example of Hextall thinking he was smarter than everyone else and jumping on a kid that had potential. I like JOB, when he is actually healthy enough to be on the ice, but you had a chance to walk away in 2018 with Farabee and Miller, and instead you got Farabee and a guy that can't stay on the ice in college. And yet there are still some on this forum that continue to defend Hextall as an excellent GM and drafter, its baffling to me.
- jd250

He is better at both than the current GM of the FLyers

Beats me ... Cassidy would have been a hire in the right direction, yet the Flyers today are still without a head coach. Think about it, the Flyers have had two great coaches that no one thought would be available to them this off season fall into their laps, and yet here we are and no coach is hired. Meanwhile a dysfunctional mess that is Vegas jumps on Cassidy and he is hired within a week of being fired by Boston!
- jd250

Sounds like the players in Boston hated Cassidy. What could have gone wrong in Philly?

Lets check back in a few years and see if any of the names you mention here are actually playing in the NHL and significantly contributing. Fletcher took a gamble on a player he coveted, last year didn't work out for Risto and the entire team. I would like to see how Risto does on a well coached and healthy team before I make any final judgements.
- jd250

He took a gamble on Ristolainen. With a 1st and 2nd round pick? He took a gamble on Ellis also according to you. Maybe Fletcher should stop gambling. Ristolainen has played in the NHL for 9 seasons. What you see is what you get. Likely to get worse.

Cassidy to Vegas, well, at least that organization knows how to act when a great coach becomes available! What the heck Fletcher is doing is beyond me at this point!
- jd250

Do you give any thought to maybe Fletcher contacted Cassidy about the Flyers job and he said no thanks?

Beats me ... Cassidy would have been a hire in the right direction, yet the Flyers today are still without a head coach. Think about it, the Flyers have had two great coaches that no one thought would be available to them this off season fall into their laps, and yet here we are and no coach is hired. Meanwhile a dysfunctional mess that is Vegas jumps on Cassidy and he is hired within a week of being fired by Boston!
- jd250

If Vegas is a dysfunctional mess, what are the Flyers?

The JOB pick was another example of Hextall thinking he was smarter than everyone else and jumping on a kid that had potential. I like JOB, when he is actually healthy enough to be on the ice, but you had a chance to walk away in 2018 with Farabee and Miller, and instead you got Farabee and a guy that can't stay on the ice in college. And yet there are still some on this forum that continue to defend Hextall as an excellent GM and drafter, its baffling to me.
- jd250

It wasn't that long ago when you were behind O'Brien. Said he was a really good player who just needed some time and might be on the Flyers in a year or so.


Flip-flop, flip-flop


You also have your facts wrong. There isn't anyone that I'm aware of, myself included who has labeled Hextall as an excellent GM and drafter.

If Vegas is a dysfunctional mess, what are the Flyers?
- MJL

A way less talented dysfunctional mess

Vegas looks like a good fit for Cassidy. A veteran team with some top talent. He won’t have to deal with developing young players. Believe it or not Eichel at 25 is the youngest player on the roster.

I agree with Tomahawk. Take the BPA and keep it simple. Don’t try too much. They got a decent shot at picking up a pretty good player.

I like 7-8 players in this draft. The higher they draft the better.

I like both the top two ranked defenders by most draft projections. And there is 6 interesting forwards.

Nothing wrong w/ Jiricek's IQ.

The knock on him is his janky skating stride, although he's not really slow.

He's kinda like Risto, if Risto had a brain.
- Tomahawk

Is his size and strength comparable to Ristolainen?

Sure you are. Here is your comment

"It seems to me this is the draft to make such a move given the uncertainty of the top players"

After shouting from the highest mountain tops over and over and over that the Flyers need a top 5 pick to get an elite player. LOL

Here is what happen. The same thing that happens daily. You heard or read something in the media, and you parrot it. Without any consideration or thought to your own posting past.
- MJL

i dont think I would really look to trade down as the Flyers unless you are beyond all sense of rationality bowled over by someone.

the team needs some high end selections. number 5 is a premium pick, even in a jumbled draft. The Flyers also dont really get the benefit of the doubt if they wanted to try to be cute and trade back for someone in the mid teens that theyre infatuated with right now.

hell if you guys go with torts or trotz, they are going to squeeze every drop they can from this group and it may just be enough with a little health luck on the part of coots to ensure youre right back in the 12 to 16 pick range almost immediately.

It does take 2 parties to get a deal done no?
- hello it's me 2050

Right. So tired of everybody saying “why didn’t they get this guy or trade to him”. Settle down. Vegas wanted Cassidy and Cassidy wanted Vegas. So it happened.

Kind of surprised Trotz did not end up in Vegas. I do wonder what Trotz is looking for in a front office position after he retires as HC.

Kind of surprised Trotz did not end up in Vegas. I do wonder what Trotz is looking for in a front office position after he retires as HC.
- Trox88

Vegas might have been the best opening. Can anyone fix Patrick?

Vegas might have been the best opening. Can anyone fix Patrick?
- SuperSchennBros

I agree from a roster standpoint, thought that was the best choice. Unfortunately, I think Patrick is a bust. That pick missing that badly really hurt the organization. No doubt, other mistakes have been done since that draft, but a top 5 cannot be missed.

I agree with Tomahawk. Take the BPA and keep it simple. Don’t try too much. They got a decent shot at picking up a pretty good player.

I like 7-8 players in this draft. The higher they draft the better.

I like both the top two ranked defenders by most draft projections. And there is 6 interesting forwards.
- peesinwind

I agree with you guys as well. BPA is the way to go and hopefully things will work in our favor.

Right. So tired of everybody saying “why didn’t they get this guy or trade to him”. Settle down. Vegas wanted Cassidy and Cassidy wanted Vegas. So it happened.
- peesinwind

Yes, despite what the experts on here think, we have no clue what goes on behind the scenes. I like Cassidy but perhaps he said there's no way he would consider the Flyers. That has nothing to do with our org. I wouldn't blame any coach who would be reluctant to take on this mess.

Congrats to Clement and Morganti! I always liked both of them and miss Clement doing random games. Bill, thanks for sharing the Morganti and Pelle story. I'll never forget where I was the day of the crash news...playing street hockey in a cul de sac at the end of the block when my friend's dad came out to tell us.

Yes, despite what the experts on here think, we have no clue what goes on behind the scenes. I like Cassidy but perhaps he said there's no way he would consider the Flyers. That has nothing to do with our org. I wouldn't blame any coach who would be reluctant to take on this mess.
- Don Nachbaur

Is this from an expert point of view or no? If not is it just an opinion. If it's just an opinion, what makes it different from the opinion offered from those you label an "expert"?

Then after that, we can deal with the contradiction in your post. In your premise, Cassidy says no way he would consider the Flyers. Then you say it has nothing to do with our organization. Well what does it have to do with then? Then you call the team a mess and that you wouldn't blame any coach who would be reluctant to take it on. Yet you sarcastically call others "experts".

Is his size and strength comparable to Ristolainen?
- peesinwind

They're of similar build, but Jiricek is more of a Jacob Slavvin type of player, not a mindless banger like RR.

They're of similar build, but Jiricek is more of a Jacob Slavvin type of player, not a mindless banger like RR.
- Tomahawk

The Flyers would be extremely fortunate to draft him and turn out to be on Slavin's level.

Congrats to Clement and Morganti! Two class acts for sure. Met Bill along with Doc Emerick in Quebec City back in the early 1990's when they were doing Flyers broadcasts. Lots of chatting and very interesting folks. Al's daughter used to go to the local university(WCU) and I ran into him a few times at the local Wawa. He was always willing to stop and chat for a few minutes. Congrats once again to both!

Now if only the Flyers could pull off a trade like they did back in 1995 again!

https://twitter.com/frank...N4PdQMnGGLINCIkMqMcA&s=19

Kevin Weekes saying Chuck has offered Torts the job

https://twitter.com/Kevin...&t=qbqMNZbAcOmX911vn-uBIw