Definitely the worst list I’ve seen. Definitely Reubys favourite guy as he has a 5’8 dman at 8th lol. No way he goes in the first round
- CanuckDon

Reuby is an idiot. Don't know why he hates midget defensemen.

Hopefully not a case of the 'Long Bennings'


- LordHumungous

Is that the same as the “bends” or decompression sickness?
Must’ve been from surfacing too quickly during the floods in Abby😵‍💫

Lots of great trade proposals in here. Maybe try putting the other GM’s hat on and ask yourself if you’d be willing to do that deal for a 29 year old with 1 year left on his contract that’s going to want an 8x8 deal.

Lots of great trade proposals in here. Maybe try putting the other GM’s hat on and ask yourself if you’d be willing to do that deal for a 29 year old with 1 year left on his contract that’s going to want an 8x8 deal.
- K-man25

Some GM’s pay a 1st round pick and a good prospect for two months worth of service for a playoff rental player. The reality is, there is no specific set value for players. If a GM wants a player bad enough they’ll pay the price for him even if it’s short sighted.

Ruby's favorite analytical guy has his top 32 out.

https://twitter.com/Byron...39276663132893186/photo/1

*Please don't take this as I like his top 32*
- manvanfan

is this basically another version of that NHLe?


I think these analytical draft guys are okay at projecting forwards but I dont think they're good at projecting dmen.

You follow these guys lists and you'll likely end up leaving every draft with 5-7 undersized skilled wingers

I’d take a rumour from Mini before Freidman. Dude is a total joke now
- CanuckDon

"The Canucks may or may not trade Miller"


/Friedman

That was what I posted several pages back.
- Reubenkincade

McMichael just seems like a safe young player, he'll be well rounded enough to stick but do you think he has the offensive upside to be a core player? Whenever I watched the Caps, I didn't see it. But I only watched a handful of games so I could be way off.



My dream scenario is still a big deal with Ottawa... would love to get guys like Pinto/Formenton

Lots of great trade proposals in here. Maybe try putting the other GM’s hat on and ask yourself if you’d be willing to do that deal for a 29 year old with 1 year left on his contract that’s going to want an 8x8 deal.
- K-man25

Do you know how many teams had players with 99 points and above on their team last season? 6 teams. It was clearly very easy to put on the other GM's hat and say, if it's possible, we may never get a player of this calibre ever.

Some GM’s pay a 1st round pick and a good prospect for two months worth of service for a playoff rental player. The reality is, there is no specific set value for players. If a GM wants a player bad enough they’ll pay the price for him even if it’s short sighted.
- LeftCoaster

Oh I get that, but come on some of these are Eklundish. It’s comical.
Miller has peaked, it’s a slow downhill slide from here. Flames should be interested in a couple years.

is this basically another version of that NHLe?


I think these analytical draft guys are okay at projecting forwards but I dont think they're good at projecting dmen.

You follow these guys lists and you'll likely end up leaving every draft with 5-7 undersized skilled wingers
- Nucker101

I never really liked NHLe because it didn't take into account the game situation scoring and such. There are some more advanced outs out there. Less accessible though.

Which is my problem with a lot of analytics guys mocks because it lacks the other side of the drafting. Scouting has it's own set of bias. See Ruby and his love for anything over 6'4" D.

Do you know how many teams had players with 99 points and above on their team last season? 6 teams. It was clearly very easy to put on the other GM's hat and say, if it's possible, we may never get a player of this calibre ever.
- manvanfan

you’re not wrong! Even you must see the humour in some of these proposals.
Not going to happen unless it’s at the trade deadline. Nobody’s trading young, developing, cost controlled players in a cap world for a player that won’t match his point total again. You guys are fooling yourselves.

I never really liked NHLe because it didn't take into account the game situation scoring and such. There are some more advanced outs out there. Less accessible though.

Which is my problem with a lot of analytics guys mocks because it lacks the other side of the drafting. Scouting has it's own set of bias. See Ruby and his love for anything over 6'4" D.
- manvanfan

Pretty much any guy who works in an NHL front office will tell you that the data teams use and have access to is way ahead of the graphs and charts we seen on twitter.

Plus eye test is definitely huge for drafting prospects, some guys peak earlier because they're just bigger and faster then 90% of the guys on the ice(Virtanen, I know analytics guys said Ehlers but some of them still had Virtanen as a top 15/20 prospect) or the undersized guys who put up points in junior but just dont have the skating or the high enough skill/IQ to do the same in the NHL.



I think most of these NHLe models will just lead you to overvaluing the small skilled wingers

McMichael just seems like a safe young player, he'll be well rounded enough to stick but do you think he has the offensive upside to be a core player? Whenever I watched the Caps, I didn't see it. But I only watched a handful of games so I could be way off.

My dream scenario is still a big deal with Ottawa... would love to get guys like Pinto/Formenton
- Nucker101

I had McMichael higher in his draft season. Maybe I was a few spots higher than should have. Guilty.

I don't think he has remotely got going yet though. Quite a few mid 20's middle 6 players have left Washington only to improve after.

you’re not wrong! Even you must see the humour in some of these proposals.
Not going to happen unless it’s at the trade deadline. Nobody’s trading young, developing, cost controlled players in a cap world for a player that won’t match his point total again. You guys are fooling yourselves.
- K-man25

Yet it happens every year all the time.

Pretty much any guy who works in an NHL front office will tell you that the data teams use and have access to is way ahead of the graphs and charts we seen on twitter.

Plus eye test is definitely huge for drafting prospects, some guys peak earlier because they're just bigger and faster then 90% of the guys on the ice(Virtanen, I know analytics guys said Ehlers but some of them still had Virtanen as a top 15/20 prospect) or the undersized guys who put up points in junior but just dont have the skating or the high enough skill/IQ to do the same in the NHL.

I think most of these NHLe models will just lead you to overvaluing the small skilled wingers
- Nucker101

In fairness to JV. His development was (frank)ed up. He had a poop coach, he never got his own act together. Watching him play was what got him drafted so high, not his analytics

As NHLe overvalue smaller players, the eye test overrates size. Drafting still isn't perfect but it's much better than it was.

Whoever dismisses one or the other will definitely have more flaws.

Donny you are out of your element here...
How would he be worth less then what we paid? He has done everything asked of a true Alpha and put up the points to match. 99 points and L1 center has to be worth more than just a good, not great prospect.
- carsonagenic

He is a UFA next year... we had years of control on a good contract with no trade protection. I do believe we should get more then we gave up considering his production here, but being on an expiring contract with a huge raise coming that is gonna limit his value.

is this basically another version of that NHLe?


I think these analytical draft guys are okay at projecting forwards but I dont think they're good at projecting dmen.

You follow these guys lists and you'll likely end up leaving every draft with 5-7 undersized skilled wingers
- Nucker101

I've been pointing this out for years. Targeting and basing BPA on analytics gives you a team with too many undersized players. Need to draft better balance when it comes to size and position sometimes.

"The Canucks may or may not trade Miller"


/Friedman
- Nucker101

Another one of his classics like... "The Leafs scored two goals in the 1st period. They scored one, then they scored the other". Real quote...

Taj
@taj1944
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Canucks are listening on trade offers on both JT Miller and Brock Boeser according to Dreger.

Strong interest in both players according to Dreger.

Canucks not just looking for draft picks. Looking for good young NHL players in return.

Lots of great trade proposals in here. Maybe try putting the other GM’s hat on and ask yourself if you’d be willing to do that deal for a 29 year old with 1 year left on his contract that’s going to want an 8x8 deal.
- K-man25

I posted a raft of 2021 deadline deals that involved a 1st rounder. All of them real. So I did try to look at it from both sides.

I never really liked NHLe because it didn't take into account the game situation scoring and such. There are some more advanced outs out there. Less accessible though.

Which is my problem with a lot of analytics guys mocks because it lacks the other side of the drafting. Scouting has it's own set of bias. See Ruby and his love for anything over 6'4" D.
- manvanfan

Iirc, I was a big fan of trying to do everything the Canucks could, to get Byram, a 6'1 190 lb defenseman, you were the one telling me he was overrated.

you’re not wrong! Even you must see the humour in some of these proposals.
Not going to happen unless it’s at the trade deadline. Nobody’s trading young, developing, cost controlled players in a cap world for a player that won’t match his point total again. You guys are fooling yourselves.
- K-man25

PPG player over the last 3 seasons with the Canucks So OK then wait for the deadline. Thanks for proving my proposals

I posted a raft of 2021 deadline deals that involved a 1st rounder. All of them real. So I did try to look at it from both sides.
- carsonagenic

You tried, but failed miserably.😉

You tried, but failed miserably.😉
- Reubenkincade

Sock puppets it is then

Taj
@taj1944
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18m
Canucks are listening on trade offers on both JT Miller and Brock Boeser according to Dreger.

Strong interest in both players according to Dreger.

Canucks not just looking for draft picks. Looking for good young NHL players in return.
- manvanfan

Lyle Richardson wrote today on the NJ Bleacher Report that they should offer the #2 overall and a young player/prospect for Miller. They could use that to get Slafkovsky or Nemec if they want a Dman.