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There was some speculation among this group that TK and Provy will not do well under Torts. Who can say? They might thrive with more accountability and a strong coach and leadership group. Provy hasn't seemed to respond well to criticism in public, but who knows.

I think the C and the leadership group will be key. Adding a few pieces along the way is a must.

Is it telling that TK and Provy were NOT mentioned as candidates for the C?

Big trade coming.
- cdearth23

on the Torts part, maybe Torts will hold the whole team accountable, maybe TK will feel less female doged at, with more peeps to share the love

You don't find it strange that RR's PP scoring started drying up once Dahlin arrived there? If RR were so effective, why'd they start phasing him out on the PP so aggressively?
- Tomahawk

No one said he was so effective. You are trying to pretend an AHL guy could replicate his production which is just false. Dahlin is certainly a better candidate but Risto was fine on the PP in buffalo.

No one said he was so effective. You are trying to pretend an AHL guy could replicate his production which is just false. Dahlin is certainly a better candidate but Risto was fine on the PP in buffalo.
- ClaudeFather

I agree RR should probably be playing ahead of Provorov, who's been worse than an AHL player on the PP

I agree RR should probably be playing ahead of Provorov, who's been worse than an AHL player on the PP
- Tomahawk

Not gonna argue with that

I would move Atkinson if they could.
- MJL

I would too but I think the Torts hire says otherwise

This is why I think they should just hold on to him until the deadline and get ANYTHING for him then. Then he is completely off the books next season and you can use that 7 mil then....Hence why I don't want him traded for Petry and basically have that cap space eaten up for 2 more seasons after that. Petry may be still a good player but he isn't worth that cap hit nor is he the right player for a team that should be rebuilding and banking cap space.
- MBFlyerfan

so much common sense, stop it

so much common sense, stop it
- wcorvette

It will be interesting watching a team that’s obsessed with locker room dynamics, try to again bring a guy into the fold that refused a trade months prior.

Wasn’t someone on here telling me no chance the Panthers were moving on from their coach? You think you know way more than you do bud.
- ClaudeFather

it was the same dude that tried to justify that since there were only 3 teams without coaches, there wasnt 5 better options for Trotz than the Flyers

also the same guy that just said RR wasnt brought in to decrease goals against

it was the same dude that tried to justify that since there were only 3 teams without coaches, there wasnt 5 better options for Trotz than the Flyers

also the same guy that just said RR wasnt brought in to decrease goals against
- THE BLACK HAND

I don’t know where folks come up with this stuff haha

Today @ 5:26 PM ET

And you know this how exactly? Can you point me to your source that stated his analytics department were dead set against signing Risto?
- jd250


because i posted 6 excerpts from Charlie O Connor that I kept calling your attention to and ran and hid you head in the sand

it was the same dude that tried to justify that since there were only 3 teams without coaches, there wasnt 5 better options for Trotz than the Flyers

also the same guy that just said RR wasnt brought in to decrease goals against
- THE BLACK HAND

Same guy who said only 3 teams will make an offer for Debrincat. He was trying to rival JD. Although the McAvoy comments on the other thread surely kept pace.

Same guy who said only 3 teams will make an offer for Debrincat. He was trying to rival JD. Although the McAvoy comments on the other thread surely kept pace.
- MJL

What Mcavoy comments?

This is why I think they should just hold on to him until the deadline and get ANYTHING for him then. Then he is completely off the books next season and you can use that 7 mil then....Hence why I don't want him traded for Petry and basically have that cap space eaten up for 2 more seasons after that. Petry may be still a good player but he isn't worth that cap hit nor is he the right player for a team that should be rebuilding and banking cap space.
- MBFlyerfan

100% agree

Today @ 5:26 PM ET

And you know this how exactly? Can you point me to your source that stated his analytics department were dead set against signing Risto?
- jd250


because i posted 6 excerpts from Charlie O Connor that I kept calling your attention to and ran and hid you head in the sand
- THE BLACK HAND

As Fletcher stated ... don't believe everything you read.

RR is not a strong PP player... this is his effectiveness above a replacement player on the PP for every season of his career in BUF:

21-22 -0.04
20-21 -0.13
19-20 -0.06
18-19 +0.09
17-18 +0.03
16-17 +0.22
15-16 +0.11
14-15 -0.16
13-14 -0.01

RR's basically been no better than if you tossed a random AHL player on the ice

BUF started using him net front for a reason... he's not that good at the point. His big shot doesn't get through.

To put those numbers in perspective, Makar was +0.88 this season on the PP.
- Tomahawk

And Bobby Orr would have been +1.5 if they had this metric in his era. Not a fair comparison at all.

As Fletcher stated ... don't believe everything you read.
- jd250

You just reinforced his point.

And Bobby Orr would have been +1.5 i they had this metric in his era. Not a fair comparison at all.
- jd250

This makes zero sense.

I want Atkinson as the captain, but really don't care all that much. I just pick him cause I think he would do the best job of selling what Torts is bringing. A phuck you attitude would be VERY much welcomed after these last two years of sissies on skates. Guys gotta buy in or it doesn't work. Atkinson is the best man for the job in that regard. Coots just seems like a rather stoic dude that won't help get the team revved up and Laughts just seems invisible for long stretches. Thanks!

I want Atkinson as the captain, but really don't care all that much. I just pick him cause I think he would do the best job of selling what Torts is bringing. A phuck you attitude would be VERY much welcomed after these last two years of sissies on skates. Guys gotta buy in or it doesn't work. Atkinson is the best man for the job in that regard. Coots just seems like a rather stoic dude that won't help get the team revved up and Laughts just seems invisible for long stretches. Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

I think you make a good point in terms of buy in. Atkinson is certainly in Tortorella's corner. Not sure where the stereotypes about players come about. Laughton is one of the most consistent players on the team.

According to Torts, the Flyers brass are all super impressed with his fight against Deslauriers.
- Feanor

Torts: “ Get Daniel Carcillo on the phone”!

It means exactly that... if you put Nick Seeler or Randy Jones or Ryan Parent out there in place of RR for all those minutes, they'd likely have generated the same results.
- Tomahawk

Randy Jones wasn’t an AHL player. I hated Randy Jones but he played a lot of NHL hockey and saw a decent amount of PP time.

Again, I get that some of you hate Ristolainen but some of your arguments aren’t realistic.

No chance either guy is getting 20+ points 3 seasons in a row
- ClaudeFather

Agreed

I think someone mentioned it already. He was vocal about wanting Torts here. Don't see Chuck getting rid of the guy that has a relationship with Torts right after Torts becomes the coach.
- rayc16

The two best coaches on the market for as long as they were in Trotz and Torts are steak. The other coaches are chicken nuggets. I don’t care what Atkinson says, the Flyers would have been interested with or without Atkinson on the roster.

You don't find it strange that RR's PP scoring started drying up once Dahlin arrived there? If RR were so effective, why'd they start phasing him out on the PP so aggressively?
- Tomahawk

Dahlin is a fricken former first overall pick! What does Dahlin taking over Ristolainen’s spot at the head of the table have to do with Risto’s production being equal to an AHLer’s at the NHL level? I love that it’s being completely ignored that Buffalo is one of the five worst teams the passed decade but somehow it comes down to what Ristolainen does.

Man comcast just trots taryn out for anything they can these days huh