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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 23 @ 11:31 AM ET
Karma sweet karma.
- Tomahawk



Judgement calls on close plays or line of sight issues happen in hockey all the time. Blatant blown calls that aren't close shouldn't happen. I'd rather see them get it right than karma.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 23 @ 11:33 AM ET
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wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 23 @ 11:34 AM ET
Judgement calls on close plays or line of sight issues happen in hockey all the time. Blatant blown calls that aren't close shouldn't happen. I'd rather see them get it right than karma.
- MJL


not much gray area there
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Jun 23 @ 11:35 AM ET
Judgement calls on close plays or line of sight issues happen in hockey all the time. Blatant blown calls that aren't close shouldn't happen. I'd rather see them get it right than karma.
- MJL



I read this morning that they (the NHL) had 6 skaters on the ice on the score sheet after the goal, but than edited it later claiming that the mistake was made due to a player jumping on the ice for the celebration after the goal was scored.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 23 @ 11:36 AM ET
Dynasty hater. And no, I'm not talking the evening soap from the 80's either.
- hockeylover


Dynasties are (frank)ing boring.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 23 @ 11:36 AM ET
5 years ago today we drafted Nolan Patrick and we were all happy it happened.
- MBFlyerfan

hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 23 @ 11:40 AM ET
Let me ask you something. Do you want Torts to succeed? If your answer is no, why?
- jd250

define succeed.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Jun 23 @ 11:43 AM ET
Yep -- He showed some flashes that first year that he was a better and more skilled player than Nico
- corduroy


I have never seen any flashes from him
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 23 @ 11:46 AM ET
Karma sweet karma.
- Tomahawk


Were karma real there'd be a lot fewer horrible humans.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 23 @ 11:47 AM ET
Judgement calls on close plays or line of sight issues happen in hockey all the time. Blatant blown calls that aren't close shouldn't happen. I'd rather see them get it right than karma.
- MJL


Blatant missed calls are a playoff tradition.
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Jun 23 @ 12:10 PM ET
Ok, I will admit it, I am feeling a lot better about the Torts hire than I did last week. What really impacted my opinion of Torts was his interview with Jason Myrtetus this week. As a coach myself, I could really relate to what Torts was talking about. He seems to really love the Flyers and seems to be genuinely excited about this opportunity, I really hope it works out for him and the Flyers.
- jd250

For the love of god
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Jun 23 @ 12:19 PM ET
Since things are slow (I'd say glacial, but why torture ourselves.), I thought that this article was worthy of a read.

https://www.rollingstone....ports-riley-cote-1367947/

It may even be of use to the less dramatically injured.

- Pompous


Interesting article. I have a relative who took his own life while in a deep depression. They tried everything traditional medicine had to offer including electro-shock, but nothing worked. I wish he had tried marijuana and/or psychedelics. I think because he and his wife were both MDs they were very resistant to it. It doesn't sound any crazier or dangerous, to me, than electro-shock and prescribed drugs that change your brain chemistry. Definetly less barbaric than electro-shock!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 23 @ 12:21 PM ET
For the love of god
- THE BLACK HAND


So incredibly transparent of a facade. It's hysterical.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 23 @ 12:57 PM ET
Dynasties are (frank)ing boring.
- Tomahawk

Disagree, its dynasties that make sports great to watch!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 23 @ 12:59 PM ET
define succeed.
- hello it's me 2050

Succeed, you know to "achieve the desired aim or result."
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 23 @ 12:59 PM ET
For the love of god
- THE BLACK HAND

Intelligent as ever ... you're a class act
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 23 @ 1:00 PM ET
So incredibly transparent of a facade. It's hysterical.
- MJL

That's right, because God (notice capital 'G' which is the respectful way of spelling it) forbid someone on this site might know much more about the sport than you do.
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Jun 23 @ 1:02 PM ET

Bill Meltzer
@billmeltzer
The Flyers have pre-empted Felix Sandström's UFA status with a two-year, two-way/one-way contract with an NHL $775,000 AAV.

In other words, in year two, Sandström will make the NHL rate regardless of whether he plays in Philly or Lehigh Valley.
12:05 PM · Jun 23, 2022·Twitter Web App
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Jun 23 @ 1:11 PM ET
That's right, because God (notice capital 'G' which is the respectful way of spelling it) forbid someone on this site might know much more about the sport than you do.
- jd250

(frank) off and your rightious condescending respectful way

As to your abundence of knowledge about the game, youve demonstrated enough hahahaha
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 23 @ 1:14 PM ET
That's right, because God (notice capital 'G' which is the respectful way of spelling it) forbid someone on this site might know much more about the sport than you do.
- jd250


I'm quite sure that there is someone on this site that might know much more about the sport than I do. However based on your posting and recent comments concerning Charlie MacAvoy, who you claim to watch play a lot. I don't have to worry about that being you.

May I offer a piece of unsolicited advice. You keep wanting to offer credentials to support your opinions. In a likely attempt to mask inferiority. When someone who is informed or knowledgeable about a subject, they don't have to offer a credential to support their knowledge. The content of words tells other whether they are knowledgeable or not. So comments such as I've played the game, or telling others they haven't without having any knowledge of that. Or that you've coached, does not do anything to support you. In fact it just further embarrasses yourself. You can take this advice or leave it.

Speaking about what is known. Can you give me some specific insight into Tortorella's systems that he employs?
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Jun 23 @ 1:19 PM ET
That's right, because God (notice capital 'G' which is the respectful way of spelling it) forbid someone on this site might know much more about the sport than you do.
- jd250


If you really want to show respect to the higher being it's G*d -- but you keep on coaching us chuckles
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 23 @ 2:31 PM ET
I'm quite sure that there is someone on this site that might know much more about the sport than I do. However based on your posting and recent comments concerning Charlie MacAvoy, who you claim to watch play a lot. I don't have to worry about that being you.

May I offer a piece of unsolicited advice. You keep wanting to offer credentials to support your opinions. In a likely attempt to mask inferiority. When someone who is informed or knowledgeable about a subject, they don't have to offer a credential to support their knowledge. The content of words tells other whether they are knowledgeable or not. So comments such as I've played the game, or telling others they haven't without having any knowledge of that. Or that you've coached, does not do anything to support you. In fact it just further embarrasses yourself. You can take this advice or leave it

Speaking about what is known. Can you give me some specific insight into Tortorella's systems that he employs?

- MJL

I coach for a living, that is what I do. I do not coach hockey anymore, but all coaching, whether sports or not, has a bunch of similarities in terms of how to work with people and how you reach people. I found Tort's discussion with Jason on what he has learned about coaching over this career to be quite inline with my own experiences, so it connected with me and thus I feel more comfortable with Torts as the Flyers coach today than I did at this time last week. I shared that on this forum, and as usual was attacked for it by the forum clown and yourself. So let me give you a bit of unsolicited advice. Why don't you show more respect to people and their opinions versus making assumptions; it may get you much farther in life.

Regarding Tort's systems, if you are interested, do what I did and google it. There is plenty out there. When I reviewed his defensive zone structure, and who knows if this is still accurate to the present day, I liked it and felt RR would benefit from it. Again just my opinion which I shared on this forum, since that is what this forum is for. And again, you decided to attack it.

Finally regarding McAvoy, tell me what I said about him that you don't agree with. I stated McAvoy was a good defenseman but a player I would not have given that contract to. I also stated I thought York had a chance to be as good as McAvoy as he develops. Again, what is wrong with this statement? I do watch McAvoy a lot, and I think he is good, but he is not elite by any means.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 23 @ 2:42 PM ET
I coach for a living, that is what I do. I do not coach hockey anymore, but all coaching, whether sports or not, has a bunch of similarities in terms of how to work with people and how you reach people. I found Tort's discussion with Jason on what he has learned about coaching over this career to be quite inline with my own experiences, so it connected with me and thus I feel more comfortable with Torts as the Flyers coach today than I did at this time last week. I shared that on this forum, and as usual was attacked for it by the forum clown and yourself. So let me give you a bit of unsolicited advice. Why don't you show more respect to people and their opinions versus making assumptions; it may get you much farther in life.


- jd250


You presented yourself as a hockey coach. We all knew you were full of it. Respect is earned.



Regarding Tort's systems, if you are interested, do what I did and google it. There is plenty out there. When I reviewed his defensive zone structure, and who knows if this is still accurate to the present day, I liked it and felt RR would benefit from it. Again just my opinion which I shared on this forum, since that is what this forum is for. And again, you decided to attack it.


- jd250


I'm not interested in what his systems have been. I already know that and can talk in depth about it. What is his defensive structure. What systems has he used in the past? You claimed that you spent the weekend researching it. So you should be capable of discussing it. What's the problem.



Finally regarding McAvoy, tell me what I said about him that you don't agree with. I stated McAvoy was a good defenseman but a player I would not have given that contract to. I also stated I thought York had a chance to be as good as McAvoy as he develops. Again, what is wrong with this statement? I do watch McAvoy a lot, and I think he is good, but he is not elite by any means.

- jd250


McAvoy is more than just a good defenseman. He is an elite defenseman in this league. As evidenced by his ranking as 2nd team ALL NHL and finishing 4th in Norris trophy voting. Though certainly possible, it is a high goal for York to attain. This is just more evidence of your lack of knowledge of the sport and it's players. Similar to when you claimed that Mitch Marner was also not an elite player as he just racked up 1st team ALL NHL honors for the 2nd year in a row. And on and on and on and on.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 23 @ 3:25 PM ET
You presented yourself as a hockey coach. We all knew you were full of it. Respect is earned.



I'm not interested in what his systems have been. I already know that and can talk in depth about it. What is his defensive structure. What systems has he used in the past? You claimed that you spent the weekend researching it. So you should be capable of discussing it. What's the problem.




McAvoy is more than just a good defenseman. He is an elite defenseman in this league. As evidenced by his ranking as 2nd team ALL NHL and finishing 4th in Norris trophy voting. Though certainly possible, it is a high goal for York to attain. This is just more evidence of your lack of knowledge of the sport and it's players. Similar to when you claimed that Mitch Marner was also not an elite player as he just racked up 1st team ALL NHL honors for the 2nd year in a row. And on and on and on and on.

- MJL

blah .. blah blah blah .. blah blah ... I feel bad for you sometimes, like right now.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 23 @ 3:26 PM ET
You presented yourself as a hockey coach. We all knew you were full of it. Respect is earned.
- MJL

According to you, respect must be earned, but not first line minutes
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