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SuperSchennBros
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Jun 22 @ 8:06 PM ET
I agree RR should probably be playing ahead of Provorov, who's been worse than an AHL player on the PP
- Tomahawk

I’m blown away. Ristolainen regardless of how he collected the points, has a career high in points than both Ellis and Provorov, who both share the same career high…
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Jun 22 @ 8:09 PM ET
[quote=SuperSchennBros]The two best coaches on the market for as long as they were in Trotz and Torts are steak.

Yeah, but Torts is T-bone and Trotz is filet mignon. I don’t see any ribeyes in the entire NHL coaching ranks today.

hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 22 @ 8:10 PM ET
Man comcast just trots taryn out for anything they can these days huh
- stayinthefnnet

What, are you not impressed by their 40 videos trying to sell Torts as some huge addition lol
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 22 @ 8:11 PM ET
Man comcast just trots taryn out for anything they can these days huh
- stayinthefnnet

Link
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 22 @ 8:13 PM ET
Link
- ClaudeFather

She’s done Phillies stuff and is now spearheading their eagles lead up stuff.

Keeping the girl busy for sure.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 22 @ 8:13 PM ET
What, are you not impressed by their 40 videos trying to sell Torts as some huge addition lol
- hereticpride

I mean I am stoked that you guys hired torts haha
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 22 @ 8:14 PM ET
I’ll tell ya what, that Bellamare is still a solid fourth line player. I’d take him over our current situation any day.
SuperSchennBros
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Jun 22 @ 8:18 PM ET
[quote=SuperSchennBros]The two best coaches on the market for as long as they were in Trotz and Torts are steak.

Yeah, but Torts is T-bone and Trotz is filet mignon. I don’t see any ribeyes in the entire NHL coaching ranks today.

- Minnyhock

There were only two real options and we got one of them.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 22 @ 8:19 PM ET
There were only two real options and we got one of them.
- SuperSchennBros

I’m willing to give Torts a chance. At least they will franking compete night in and night out
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 22 @ 8:19 PM ET
That stat is BS, Randy Jones isn’t touching 20 points let alone 3 seasons in a row. Moving forward I’d like to see Cam York featured as the PP1 Dman.
- ClaudeFather


He would if he was getting 250 minutes plus on the PP.

and I agree about York.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 22 @ 8:22 PM ET
How does that count?
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jun 22 @ 8:25 PM ET
How does that count?
- ClaudeFather


Continuation of play.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 22 @ 8:33 PM ET
Continuation of play.
- landros 2

Never saw that
Flyerfan2868
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jun 22 @ 8:36 PM ET
There was some speculation among this group that TK and Provy will not do well under Torts. Who can say? They might thrive with more accountability and a strong coach and leadership group. Provy hasn't seemed to respond well to criticism in public, but who knows.

I think the C and the leadership group will be key. Adding a few pieces along the way is a must.

Is it telling that TK and Provy were NOT mentioned as candidates for the C?

Big trade coming.

- cdearth23


It's possible there could be conflict between Tortorella and any player, but Tortorella's approach in not wanting info on any player's past behavior, personality etc is a good one. He wants to find out and make assessments based on his own interactions with them, rather than what Chuck might say or the media reports or what transpired in the room last year.

IMO, just from a hockey standpoint, I don't Tortorella will be eager to get rid of Provorov, as he possesses a ton of the tools Torts covets in his players. He's a workhorse. Ivan's workouts and fitness level can't be questioned. He's very durable, can skate, team leader in blocked shots, has the ability to be physical, has offensive ability. He's a complete player. If I'm Tort's, I'm doing everything possible to grow his game, not get rid of him.


landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 22 @ 8:38 PM ET
Never saw that
- ClaudeFather


Not a play that’s called a lot.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 22 @ 8:38 PM ET
[quote=SuperSchennBros]The two best coaches on the market for as long as they were in Trotz and Torts are steak.

Yeah, but Torts is T-bone and Trotz is filet mignon. I don’t see any ribeyes in the entire NHL coaching ranks today.

- Minnyhock


What's Cassidy, filet mignon? Or does he not count because of short time of availability
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 22 @ 8:40 PM ET
I’m willing to give Torts a chance. At least they will franking compete night in and night out
- ClaudeFather



Well of course, why not give him a chance. Just remember though. The same mantra about accountability and a lot of the same stuff was said when they hired Vigneault.
SuperSchennBros
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Jun 22 @ 8:40 PM ET
What's Cassidy, filet mgnon? Or does he not count because of short time of availability
- MJL

I didn’t count Cassidy because he was on and off the market right away.
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 22 @ 8:41 PM ET
It's possible there could be conflict between Tortorella and any player, but Tortorella's approach in not wanting info on any player's past behavior, personality etc is a good one. He wants to find out and make assessments based on his own interactions with them, rather than what Chuck might say or the media reports or what transpired in the room last year.

IMO, just from a hockey standpoint, I don't Tortorella will be eager to get rid of Provorov, as he possesses a ton of the tools Torts covets in his players. He's a workhorse. Ivan's workouts and fitness level can't be questioned. He's very durable, can skate, team leader in blocked shots, has the ability to be physical, has offensive ability. He's a complete player. If I'm Tort's, I'm doing everything possible to grow his game, not get rid of him.

- Flyerfan2868


Provy is still their best d man. He hasn’t played as well in the last year or so, but I’d be Leary of moving on from him. I’m sure Torts does want them to keep as many of their best players as possible.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jun 22 @ 8:44 PM ET
Well of course, why not give him a chance. Just remember though. The same mantra about accountability and a lot of the same stuff was said when they hired Vigneault.
- MJL


And it worked... for a season.
SuperSchennBros
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Jun 22 @ 8:46 PM ET
Is Hedman really gonna wear the same suit to work every game!?
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 22 @ 8:51 PM ET
What's Cassidy, filet mignon? Or does he not count because of short time of availability
- MJL


While you’re not wrong and to be fair, Cassidy was better suited for a team built as a contender. Appears to be the case for Trotz as well.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 22 @ 9:01 PM ET
While you’re not wrong and to be fair, Cassidy was better suited for a team built as a contender. Appears to be the case for Trotz as well.
- arichardson22


Probably from their point of view but a good coach is a good coach.
arichardson22
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 22 @ 9:30 PM ET
Probably from their point of view but a good coach is a good coach.
- MJL


I’m still surprised Cassidy got canned. I honestly think Bruins are subtly tanking for next draft class. Lots of offseason surgery and recovery for some key guys + Bergeron may retire.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 22 @ 9:34 PM ET
I’m still surprised Cassidy got canned. I honestly think Bruins are subtly tanking for next draft class. Lots of offseason surgery and recovery for some key guys + Bergeron may retire.
- arichardson22


Same here. If Bergy retires, they're in a tough spot.
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