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GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jun 22 @ 11:56 PM ET
Jeff Veillette
@JeffVeillette
Checked something out and it was fascinating. Hart Trophy results, if only voted on by the ten Montreal representatives:

1. Jonathan Huberdeau (3-3-0-1-1)
2. Connor McDavid (2-2-2-1-2)
3. Roman Josi (2-3-1-0-0)
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4. Auston Matthews (1-1-3-3-1)
5. Igor Shesterkin (2-3-1-0-0)

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GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jun 22 @ 11:59 PM ET
What is Cooper talking about?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 23 @ 12:13 AM ET
What is Cooper talking about?
- GreatGigInTheSky


Apparenty twitter says the avs had 6 guys on the ice but i dont see it.
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Jun 23 @ 12:14 AM ET
What is Cooper talking about?
- GreatGigInTheSky

"Jon Cooper was nearly tearing up in post game press conference, said this one is going to sting more than others."
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jun 23 @ 12:15 AM ET
Apparenty twitter says the avs had 6 guys on the ice but i dont see it.
- prock


Only angle Sportsnet shows is half the ice and you only see 5 guys. Maybe there'll be a better angle by tomorrow.

EDIT: They just showed another angle, and still only 5.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jun 23 @ 12:16 AM ET
"Jon Cooper was nearly tearing up in post game press conference, said this one is going to sting more than others."
- 21peter


"My heart breaks for the players"

Talking like they're getting screwed and weren't continuously gifted poop by the officiating this entire (frank)ing playoffs. (frank) outta here, Cooper.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 23 @ 12:20 AM ET
Only angle Sportsnet shows is half the ice and you only see 5 guys. Maybe there'll be a better angle by tomorrow.

EDIT: They just showed another angle, and still only 5.

- GreatGigInTheSky


Yeah theyre showing 6 guys but 1 guy jumping off the ice. But they make an interesting point. Who is he changing for? Nobody else anywhere near the bench.

Im not seeing anything wrong. It would be nice to see a better video though.
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Jun 23 @ 12:20 AM ET
"My heart breaks for the players"

Talking like they're getting screwed and weren't continuously gifted poop by the officiating this entire (frank)ing playoffs. (frank) outta here, Cooper.

- GreatGigInTheSky

My dislike for Tampa became hate the minute Smugface showed up
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
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Joined: 11.18.2014

Jun 23 @ 12:22 AM ET
Yeah theyre showing 6 guys but 1 guy jumping off the ice. But they make an interesting point. Who is he changing for? Nobody else anywhere near the bench.

Im not seeing anything wrong. It would be nice to see a better video though.

- prock

That's spilt milk under the bridge now
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jun 23 @ 12:31 AM ET
Yeah theyre showing 6 guys but 1 guy jumping off the ice. But they make an interesting point. Who is he changing for? Nobody else anywhere near the bench.

Im not seeing anything wrong. It would be nice to see a better video though.

- prock


Ok, yeah.



Tampa also had multiple occasions in the game with the exact same thing. Just didn't score.

EDIT: Hell, in that exact picture, Tampa has more guys on the ice than Colorado.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
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Jun 23 @ 12:32 AM ET
My dislike for Tampa became hate the minute Smugface showed up
- 21peter


He is incredibly unlikable.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 23 @ 12:36 AM ET
Ok, yeah.



Tampa also had multiple occasions in the game with the exact same thing. Just didn't score.

- GreatGigInTheSky


I think ive figured it out. You can change and jump on before your guy is off the ice. Thats fine. But you cant play the puck when the guy youre replacing is still on the ice i think. That 6th guy at the bench is alex newhook, the guy Kadri replaced. Kadri is driving the play while his guy hasnt actually left the ice.

Cooper is technically right. Kadri was on the ice way early, and playing the puck. But thats drama queen poope cooper is pulling. This happens often.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Jun 23 @ 12:39 AM ET
Jeff Veillette
@JeffVeillette
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The voter who left Auston Matthews and Connor McDavid entirely off of their Hart Ballot also had David Kampf (4th) ahead of Patrice Bergeron (5th) on their Selke ballot.

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GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Jun 23 @ 12:40 AM ET
I think ive figured it out. You can change and jump on before your guy is off the ice. Thats fine. But you cant play the puck when the guy youre replacing is still on the ice i think. That 6th guy at the bench is alex newhook, the guy Kadri replaced. Kadri is driving the play while his guy hasnt actually left the ice.
- prock


You see my edit?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
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Jun 23 @ 12:44 AM ET
You see my edit?
- GreatGigInTheSky



Yeah. But the 2 bolts players are by the bench and their replacements are not playing the puck. Not really the same thing. Its arguable i guess. Quite different than carrying the puck while the guy you replaced hasnt left yet.

But it doesnt matter now. And cooper is blowing it way out of proportion.
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Jun 23 @ 12:46 AM ET
Jeff Veillette
@JeffVeillette
Checked something out and it was fascinating. Hart Trophy results, if only voted on by the ten Montreal representatives:

1. Jonathan Huberdeau (3-3-0-1-1)
2. Connor McDavid (2-2-2-1-2)
3. Roman Josi (2-3-1-0-0)
----
4. Auston Matthews (1-1-3-3-1)
5. Igor Shesterkin (2-3-1-0-0)

__________________________________


- GreatGigInTheSky

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GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jun 23 @ 12:48 AM ET
Yeah. But the 2 bolts players are by the bench and their replacements are not playing the puck. Not really the same thing. Its arguable i guess. Quite different than carrying the puck while the guy you replaced hasnt left yet.

But it doesnt matter now. And cooper is blowing it way out of proportion.

- prock


Tampa is literally doing the exact same thing Colorado did, except they did it with 2 players. And yeah, the only difference is which team has the puck.
Garfield512
Montreal Canadiens
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Joined: 11.09.2006

Jun 23 @ 12:49 AM ET
Toronto loves their "big names" .... it attracts ignorant asses in the seats ($$$'s) and gets the media excited. Even though less effective (in playoffs), Tavares sells more tickets than other more effective and less renowned centermen (a Mr. Danault comes to mind).

Building effective hockey teams has never been in the Leafs' DNA thus their mediocrity for 50 plus years.

Toronto has always been all flash and no substance.

PS: I expect to be crucified in this board (and I probably deserve it) ... food for thought. Go at it.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
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Jun 23 @ 12:50 AM ET
๐Ÿ˜ณ๐Ÿ˜†
- mr.sir


Button had Matthews 5th
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jun 23 @ 12:53 AM ET
Toronto loves their"big names" .... it attracts ignorant asses in the seats ($$$'s) and gets the media excited. Even though less effective (in playoffs), Tavares sells more tickets than other more effective and less renowned centermen (a Mr. Danault comes to mind).

Building effective hockey teams has never been in the Leafs' DNA thus their mediocrity for 50 plus years.

Toronto has always been all flash and no substance.

PS: I expect to be crucified in this board (and I probably deserve it) ... food for thought.
Go at it.

- Garfield512


Tavares >>>> Danualt, so yeah, you'd get "crucified" saying that anywhere.

Bolded- Nah. That's just straight up wrong. "Flash" hasn't been apart of the Leafs identity for a long ass time until the past few seasons. They were distinctly flashless.
Garfield512
Montreal Canadiens
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Joined: 11.09.2006

Jun 23 @ 1:00 AM ET
Tavares >>>> Danualt, so yeah, you'd get "crucified" saying that anywhere.

Bolded- Nah. That's just straight up wrong. "Flash" hasn't been apart of the Leafs identity for a long ass time until the past few seasons. They were distinctly flashless.

- GreatGigInTheSky

I am not disputing that at all, yes Tavares is much better (offensively) than Danault. What has Tavares accomplished in the playoffs since he joined the Leafs?

My point is, have you thought about the cap hit difference between these 2 guys? .... you might be able to bring in a better support crew (better D or goalie). JMO

Anyway, it was just a thought experiment.
twiztedmike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2007

Jun 23 @ 2:26 AM ET
I am not disputing that at all, yes Tavares is much better (offensively) than Danault. What has Tavares accomplished in the playoffs since he joined the Leafs?

My point is, have you thought about the cap hit difference between these 2 guys? .... you might be able to bring in a better support crew (better D or goalie). JMO

Anyway, it was just a thought experiment.

- Garfield512

i think u left ur brain in pete's slippers
fifty__missions
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burkie's Rented Barn, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Jun 23 @ 2:45 AM ET
Great to see for Naz. Kadri after the game: "I've been waiting for this my whole life". Just awesome.๐Ÿ‘

Oh,.and John Cooper?

This guy is such a hero. Get over yourself, dude.
bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Jun 23 @ 4:37 AM ET
Yeah. But the 2 bolts players are by the bench and their replacements are not playing the puck. Not really the same thing. Its arguable i guess. Quite different than carrying the puck while the guy you replaced hasnt left yet.

But it doesnt matter now. And cooper is blowing it way out of proportion.

- prock

Cooper is calling out the poopty reffing, as everybody should, or it will never get fixed.
fifty__missions
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burkie's Rented Barn, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Jun 23 @ 6:40 AM ET
Cooper is calling out the poopty reffing, as everybody should, or it will never get fixed.
- bobbyisno1

It's the way he does it - like Tampa is the only team ever on the bad side of a questionable or missed call, and the whole league is stacked against his guys...give me a break. Sick of this guy's lawyer act.
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