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Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jun 23 @ 12:39 PM ET
Hey I’ll take a hammer who scores 25 goals has really good wheels and can play 1st line minutes while also PK & PP… Wilson isn’t perfect but he’s not Reeves either … he can play… Any team would love to have him…
- dozerD10


I know he can play. I didn't say he couldn't. I was told you NEED him to win though and I don't really see a Wilson on the avs and they are one win away from the cup.

Was told can't do it with skill and speed and man, the avs have both in bunches.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jun 23 @ 12:40 PM ET
The fact that it was advantageous to his team last year doesn't change the fact that Colorado DID have too many men on the ice.

Kadri changed for Nicushkin who didn't leave the ice - so his replacement was actually MacKinnon who was probably 15-20 feet from the bench when Kadri came on. It gave him time to get up to full speed and corral the pass about 40 feet from his own bench in the middle of the ice at the blue line - while the guy he ended up replacing was just reaching the bench.

As a Leaf fan, we have been called for too many men on marginal plays all year long. This was far more egregious than that, and you really shouldn't allow that advantage in overtime to decide a game.

I don't really care (in my hockey pool, I have all Colorado and Tampa players and am stomping the rest of them), but I was more irritated by the whistles being completely put away because that, more than anything, ruins the play. It's not surprising that the game ended with some controversy given that the officials stopped doing their job at the end of the 2nd period.

- Monkeypunk


Sure, he's right. And it sucks that the wrong call was made.

But whining about something you took full advantage of in the past without saying anything makes you a poophead in my book.
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Jun 23 @ 12:40 PM ET
This year is pretty much over for them, but statements like the world just ended is a joke.

1) they're still a stacked team,and will be next year.
2) injuries this year were a much bigger problem than a small missed call that has gone their way dozens of times.
3) they're just not the better team this year, Colorado is. that's true even if the refs call that back. I suspect the Avs win anyway.
4) if the world is ending for them after 2 cups and a finals, that's pathetic.

and so on, and so on.

- prock



I completely agree with point 3 - Colorado was almost certain to win that game. They had held almost all of the momentum from the 2nd period onwards. Faster, more energized and positionally very sound.

I also do think it was too many men.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jun 23 @ 12:41 PM ET
https://twitter.com/kaileymizelle/status/1539834305694007297?s=21&t=xILl7Ar1FFM4x-Unfy8JKA

Happy for Colorado but the refs really do suck at their job. It’s just usually the leafs that get shafted.

- bryant


Only reason Tampa is still playing is because of the officiating, so I feel nothing for them.

Besides, they did the same thing Colorado did on the same damn shift, except they did it with 2 players. People saying that they're going off the ice, which is correct, but look at where the guys who went on for them are. They're exactly as far from the bench as Kadri was.

So in conclusion, (frank) Tampa.

Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jun 23 @ 12:42 PM ET
The fact that it was advantageous to his team last year doesn't change the fact that Colorado DID have too many men on the ice.

Kadri changed for Nicushkin who didn't leave the ice - so his replacement was actually MacKinnon who was probably 15-20 feet from the bench when Kadri came on. It gave him time to get up to full speed and corral the pass about 40 feet from his own bench in the middle of the ice at the blue line - while the guy he ended up replacing was just reaching the bench.

As a Leaf fan, we have been called for too many men on marginal plays all year long. This was far more egregious than that, and you really shouldn't allow that advantage in overtime to decide a game.

I don't really care (in my hockey pool, I have all Colorado and Tampa players and am stomping the rest of them), but I was more irritated by the whistles being completely put away because that, more than anything, ruins the play. It's not surprising that the game ended with some controversy given that the officials stopped doing their job at the end of the 2nd period.

- Monkeypunk


Again, refs don't want to game manage but by putting away whistles they are game managing. I guess you don't have to be intelligent to be a ref or you'd understand this. (NHL ref, not a blog ref FOR CLARITY)


Also the talking heads are suggesting it was a close call and upto the ref if they wanted to suggest 15 feet is too far whereas the rule I believe is 10 feet from the bench. So maybe the refs have poor reference to 10 feet compared to 15?
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Jun 23 @ 12:44 PM ET
Sure, he's right. And it sucks that the wrong call was made.

But whining about something you took full advantage of in the past without saying anything makes you a poophead in my book.

- Scabeh


I mean, I wouldn't do it. I'd be very inclined to keep my mouth shut.

I do find it interesting that it took Cooper female doging for the media, who are supposed to be so hockey savvy, to notice it. What's apparent to me in all of this is that if there's one thing the media is sick of it's the Tampa Bay Lightning and Jon Cooper.

They can't wait to hate Colorado next!
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jun 23 @ 12:44 PM ET
Sure, he's right. And it sucks that the wrong call was made.

But whining about something you took full advantage of in the past without saying anything makes you a poophead in my book.

- Scabeh


I'd respect him more if when asked about it after the game last night he just said "No comment".

As you said, you can't take it when it benefits you and then complain when it goes against you as if you never had an advantageous call. Cooper could have said after winning many games with a marginal call "Well the calls worked out for us this time"
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jun 23 @ 12:45 PM ET
As a fellow Habs poster reminded me.

Meanwhile, in 2021's final on a Tampa goal:


- Scabeh


https://twitter.com/Brady...tatus/1404978348124610562

"We're so hard done by"- Waaahmpa
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jun 23 @ 12:45 PM ET
Tampa has 7 on the ice

Go (frank) your hat Cooper

- .HOHO.


Right?! (frank)ing joke.
bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Jun 23 @ 12:45 PM ET
I completely agree with point 3 - Colorado was almost certain to win that game. They had held almost all of the momentum from the 2nd period onwards. Faster, more energized and positionally very sound.

I also do think it was too many men.

- Monkeypunk

Yeah, kind of like Toronto was almost certain in game six. All the momentum in the third and overtime.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jun 23 @ 12:48 PM ET
You really think Shanny and Dubas would eat crow and bring him back? Really??

You haven't been paying attention.

Naz is not one of Dubas and Shanny's "boyz".

Unfortunately for Leaf fans, this is what Gabriel Landeskog said about Naz after the game last night: "He would do anything to win".

- fifty__missions


No crow eating involved. Trading him at the time had to happen.

Dubas has said trading Kadri sucked.
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Jun 23 @ 12:49 PM ET
Only reason Tampa is still playing is because of the officiating, so I feel nothing for them.

Besides, they did the same thing Colorado did on the same damn shift, except they did it with 2 players. People saying that they're going off the ice, which is correct, but look at where the guys who went on for them are. They're exactly as far from the bench as Kadri was.

So in conclusion, (frank) Tampa.


- GreatGigInTheSky



I don't want to be in the position of defending Tampa. The rule is that there is a 5 foot area around the bench if you're not playing the puck. Tampa doesn't have the puck, those players are not engaged in the play, and there was no grievous advantage granted from the change.

In the case of Kadri, he ultimately changed for a guy who was a long way from the bench and slacking to get back there. When Kadri plays the puck, MacKinnon has still not left the ice. That is an illegal substitution - but it's made more egregious because Kadri is 40 feet from his own bench when he picks up that puck.

The officials let it go because they thought Nichushkin was changing for him, but when he stayed on and MacKinnon didn't immediately get in the 5 foot proximity, it was an illegal change. When Kadri played the puck and MacKinnon was still not off the ice, it was definitely too many men.

So, sure - (frank) Tampa - but that was a blown call and the NHL is once again lying to the public about the rules to cover their stupid sorry lazy asses and stop them from taking any responsibility for their product.
Skalapy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm sick of your "I play real , NC
Joined: 07.11.2006

Jun 23 @ 12:51 PM ET
See, this is really infuriating. I'm starting to understand why the ref here bans people. Why come here with idiotic takes?
- bobbyisno1

(frank) greedy female doges willi and female dog and the horses they rode in on🤦‍♂️

they can go be pencil necked and soft as slime in glendale for chichirun +👍🏿

with a real d corpse that doesn’t let the tender get run on a regular basis we can start thinking about a cup for reals👍

what a (frank)ing joke🤦🏿‍♂️

edit: nice alliteration 👍
bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Jun 23 @ 12:51 PM ET
Sure, he's right. And it sucks that the wrong call was made.

But whining about something you took full advantage of in the past without saying anything makes you a poophead in my book.

- Scabeh

He should be whining. If its not right it's not right. Maybe just maybe people start to listen. And I mean people that matter.
dozerD10
Anaheim Ducks
Location: long beach, CA
Joined: 01.29.2014

Jun 23 @ 12:52 PM ET
Only reason Tampa is still playing is because of the officiating, so I feel nothing for them.

Besides, they did the same thing Colorado did on the same damn shift, except they did it with 2 players. People saying that they're going off the ice, which is correct, but look at where the guys who went on for them are. They're exactly as far from the bench as Kadri was.

So in conclusion, (frank) Tampa.


- GreatGigInTheSky


Nicely said…
bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Jun 23 @ 12:57 PM ET
What didn't get called in overtime, though, was Alex Killorn holding Auston Matthews by the jersey for several seconds as the Leafs' top scorer battled for position in the offensive zone. Matthews was also tripped up at center ice and taken out of the play right before Point scored the winner.



There should have been outrage.
bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Jun 23 @ 12:58 PM ET
Nicely said…
- dozerD10

Except they didn't have the puck, so no infraction on Tampa's part.
According to the rule book. But what ref uses that.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jun 23 @ 1:02 PM ET
I don't want to be in the position of defending Tampa. The rule is that there is a 5 foot area around the bench if you're not playing the puck. Tampa doesn't have the puck, those players are not engaged in the play, and there was no grievous advantage granted from the change.

In the case of Kadri, he ultimately changed for a guy who was a long way from the bench and slacking to get back there. When Kadri plays the puck, MacKinnon has still not left the ice. That is an illegal substitution - but it's made more egregious because Kadri is 40 feet from his own bench when he picks up that puck.

The officials let it go because they thought Nichushkin was changing for him, but when he stayed on and MacKinnon didn't immediately get in the 5 foot proximity, it was an illegal change. When Kadri played the puck and MacKinnon was still not off the ice, it was definitely too many men.

So, sure - (frank) Tampa - but that was a blown call and the NHL is once again lying to the public about the rules to cover their stupid sorry lazy asses and stop them from taking any responsibility for their product.

- Monkeypunk


It's bottom barrel of missed calls, and I don't give a care for who has the puck, Tampa literally had more guys on the ice.

If you call one, you call both. You miss one, there's nothing wrong with missing both.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jun 23 @ 1:03 PM ET
Nicely said…
- dozerD10


bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Jun 23 @ 1:03 PM ET
The reffing is a complete joke so the more whining done the better and I really don't care by whom. Sometime soon somebody has to take notice.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jun 23 @ 1:04 PM ET
What didn't get called in overtime, though, was Alex Killorn holding Auston Matthews by the jersey for several seconds as the Leafs' top scorer battled for position in the offensive zone. Matthews was also tripped up at center ice and taken out of the play right before Point scored the winner.



There should have been outrage.

- bobbyisno1


And that's only 2 of the 10+ missed calls on Tampa in that OT.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jun 23 @ 1:06 PM ET
It's bottom barrel of missed calls, and I don't give a care for who has the puck, Tampa literally had more guys on the ice.

If you call one, you call both. You miss one, there's nothing wrong with missing both.

- GreatGigInTheSky


Well this is my issue with the reffing as a whole.

So they don't call things but then when a penalty is called because it's a blatant one then the game is lopsided. High stick, trip or whatever, doesn't matter. They get called but because the ref wasn't calling anything prior it just makes the game look poopty.

Either let everything go or call it all.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jun 23 @ 1:08 PM ET
The reffing is a complete joke so the more whining done the better and I really don't care by whom. Sometime soon somebody has to take notice.
- bobbyisno1


I don't disagree, but when it's done by a team that has a metric tonne of bullpoop go in their favour, it sounds sour and comes off as extremely douchy.
dozerD10
Anaheim Ducks
Location: long beach, CA
Joined: 01.29.2014

Jun 23 @ 1:10 PM ET
Tim Hortons –

Overpriced frozen soups and chili.

ALL baked goods are premade and frozen then shipped and thawed in ovens at the store.

The muffins with goo in them come prefilled.

The lettuce comes vac packed in boxes and is half brown most of the time.

The grilled chicken strips just look like they shouldn’t exist in a normal world.”



And I was so looking forward to going here when I come in July ….
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jun 23 @ 1:12 PM ET
Well this is my issue with the reffing as a whole.

So they don't call things but then when a penalty is called because it's a blatant one then the game is lopsided. High stick, trip or whatever, doesn't matter. They get called but because the ref wasn't calling anything prior it just makes the game look poopty.

Either let everything go or call it all.

- Aaron_85


In this case, they just didn't see it. For either team.

Ignoring penalties for game management is (frank)ed, as is blatantly favouring one team over the other, and it needs to be fixed. No argument there.
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