I think that is a more accurate interpretation of the comment.

Still does not change the fact that Kadri could have been the difference maker in getting the Leafs past Tampa in the first round.

Trading Kadri was a mistake. Teams need physicality in the playoffs.

But every team makes deals and signs contracts that they will come to regret.

Fools will take this morning to say they are glad the Leafs traded Kadri or trading Kadri was the right thing to do. Right answer for today should be nothing more than "congratulations to Nazim Kadri on winning the Stanley Cup."
- spatso

Trading Kadri was the wrong thing to do.

Everyone praises Kyle for not making knee jerk moves year after year after 1st round losses.

Well, he DID make a kneejerk move with Kadri. Disastrously.

I think that is a more accurate interpretation of the comment.

Still does not change the fact that Kadri could have been the difference maker in getting the Leafs past Tampa in the first round.

Trading Kadri was a mistake. Teams need physicality in the playoffs.

But every team makes deals and signs contracts that they will come to regret.

Fools will take this morning to say they are glad the Leafs traded Kadri or trading Kadri was the right thing to do. Right answer for today should be nothing more than "congratulations to Nazim Kadri on winning the Stanley Cup."
- spatso

Regardless of what he brings - physicality as well as suspensions - it didn’t make sense to have Kadri as your 3C. There is a potential argument that he could play now as your 2C with JT on the wing but the $ likely isn’t right.

I think that is a more accurate interpretation of the comment.

Still does not change the fact that Kadri could have been the difference maker in getting the Leafs past Tampa in the first round.

Trading Kadri was a mistake. Teams need physicality in the playoffs.

But every team makes deals and signs contracts that they will come to regret.

Fools will take this morning to say they are glad the Leafs traded Kadri or trading Kadri was the right thing to do. Right answer for today should be nothing more than "congratulations to Nazim Kadri on winning the Stanley Cup."
- spatso

Oh ffs and had he not won, you wouldnt be on here spewing this.
He matured as a result of the trade.
Had he not been traded, we may not have had another player the leafs needed or you would have been on here targeting him for trade to create cap space over the past year or two.

11 days to speculate what the Leafs will do at the draft.

I think Dubas trade their 1st for 2nd and a 4th round pick.

Oh ffs and had he not won, you wouldnt be on here spewing this.
He matured as a result of the trade.
Had he not been traded, we may not have had another player the leafs needed or you would have been on here targeting him for trade to create cap space over the past year or two.
- Fakepartofme

He was suspended the next two years after the trade.

https://twitter.com/Sport...ps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2F

Aube Kubel dropped the cup🤭

The Avs did a better job of being the Leafs then the Leafs.

Avs formula:
1.Big 4 played great;
2.G'tending hung in;
3.A couple of good performances from the middle of the lineup;
4.No liabilities at the bottom of the lineup;
5.Stayed healthy.

Trading Kadri was the wrong thing to do.

Everyone praises Kyle for not making knee jerk moves year after year after 1st round losses.

Well, he DID make a kneejerk move with Kadri. Disastrously.
- fifty__missions

It wasnt disastrous.
They got a 3rd line center, cap space and a top 4 D. The top 4 D didnt work out as anticipated, but that was mainly a result of babs.
Since the trade, theyve broken reg season pt total records and have made the playoffs each year.
Sure the choked away some series and lost a 7 gamer to tampa but not sure kadri would have changed either as he may not have been the player he turned into to be.
And we all know in the Montreal series he would have been suspended for a retaliatory hit after jt got laid out
Nothing close to disastrous

https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1541264570806898688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1541264570806898688%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2F

Aube Kubel dropped the cup🤭
- mr.sir

Damaging the Cup is bad luck for the next year. Leafs now favourite to win Cup in 2023.

Can’t argue with facts.

https://bleacherreport.co...g-favorites-lightning-3rd

The Avs did a better job of being the Leafs then the Leafs.

Avs formula:
1.Big 4 played great;
2.G'tending hung in;
3.A couple of good performances from the middle of the lineup;
4.No liabilities at the bottom of the lineup;
5.Stayed healthy.
- The Law

Tampa was out of gas. They couldn’t keep up in the third.

Series reminded me of Leafs series. Tampa blocking shots like crazy. Avs carrying play for periods of time but making mistakes that the Lightning capitalized on but Colorado just found a gear at the end.

It wasnt disastrous.
They got a 3rd line center, cap space and a top 4 D. The top 4 D didnt work out as anticipated, but that was mainly a result of babs.
Since the trade, theyve broken reg season pt total records and have made the playoffs each year.
Sure the choked away some series and lost a 7 gamer to tampa but not sure kadri would have changed either as he may not have been the player he turned into to be.
And we all know in the Montreal series he would have been suspended for a retaliatory hit after jt got laid out
Nothing close to disastrous
- Fakepartofme

It was a complete disaster. The sugarcoating around this place is impressive.

Arthuri Lehkonen.

Best deadline pickup by a mile.

What a player, very happy for him.

The Avs did a better job of being the Leafs then the Leafs.

Avs formula:
1.Big 4 played great;
2.G'tending hung in;
3.A couple of good performances from the middle of the lineup;
4.No liabilities at the bottom of the lineup;
5.Stayed healthy.
- The Law

Had Makar & Toews & Manson none of which the Leafers had. That’s important also.

It was a complete disaster. The sugarcoating around this place is impressive.
- fifty__missions

Its painfully obvious to anyone who isnt biased towards hating Dubas that Kadri matured over the years of getting traded.

He (frank)ed up multiple times being stupid, the trade gave him a kick in the ass and his career is better because of it.

Good for him, people change.

The Avs did a better job of being the Leafs then the Leafs.

Avs formula:
1.Big 4 played great;
2.G'tending hung in;
3.A couple of good performances from the middle of the lineup;
4.No liabilities at the bottom of the lineup;
5.Stayed healthy.
- The Law

You forgot about Makar, Byram, Manson, Toews.

You know…. Actually good defense. 🤷🏼‍♂️

You forgot about Makar, Byram, Manson, Toews.

You know…. Actually good defense. 🤷🏼‍♂️
- .HOHO.

And imagine, they lost Girard after 7 games... that's quite a defense.

Young too.

Its painfully obvious to anyone who isnt biased towards hating Dubas that Kadri matured over the years of getting traded.

He (frank)ed up multiple times being stupid, the trade gave him a kick in the ass and his career is better because of it.

Good for him, people change.
- Santo_44

It was just last year that Kadri got an 8 game suspension in the playoffs for hitting Justin Faulk in the head - and those 8 games proved to be the remainder of the playoffs.

3 times in the past 5 years, he has been suspended for what turned out to be the remainder of the playoffs.

The Avs didn't have a particularly physical route to the cup with Nashville, St. Louis and Edmonton in their conference. St. Louis certainly had some physicality - with Mikkola and Barbashev probably leading the way - but even a guy like Parayko wasn't overly physical. I don't know if there was much to boil Naz's blood this playoff and make him do something stupid. Maybe he has accepted that there are other people who can handle it when it happens, too . . . I can't say obviously.

I'm glad he won for his sake, but I'm not sure I'd be willing to pronounce him a changed person because of one uneventful playoff that had limited adversity. It's like my friend who is claiming that Evander Kane is now a decent human being because he had 5 uneventful months in Edmonton.

It was just last year that Kadri got an 8 game suspension in the playoffs for hitting Justin Faulk in the head - and those 8 games proved to be the remainder of the playoffs.

3 times in the past 5 years, he has been suspended for what turned out to be the remainder of the playoffs.

The Avs didn't have a particularly physical route to the cup with Nashville, St. Louis and Edmonton in their conference. St. Louis certainly had some physicality - with Mikkola and Barbashev probably leading the way - but even a guy like Parayko wasn't overly physical. I don't know if there was much to boil Naz's blood this playoff and make him do something stupid. Maybe he has accepted that there are other people who can handle it when it happens, too . . . I can't say obviously.

I'm glad he won for his sake, but I'm not sure I'd be willing to pronounce him a changed person because of one uneventful playoff that had limited adversity. It's like my friend who is claiming that Evander Kane is now a decent human being because he had 5 uneventful months in Edmonton.
- Monkeypunk

Bang on.

It was just last year that Kadri got an 8 game suspension in the playoffs for hitting Justin Faulk in the head - and those 8 games proved to be the remainder of the playoffs.

3 times in the past 5 years, he has been suspended for what turned out to be the remainder of the playoffs.

The Avs didn't have a particularly physical route to the cup with Nashville, St. Louis and Edmonton in their conference. St. Louis certainly had some physicality - with Mikkola and Barbashev probably leading the way - but even a guy like Parayko wasn't overly physical. I don't know if there was much to boil Naz's blood this playoff and make him do something stupid. Maybe he has accepted that there are other people who can handle it when it happens, too . . . I can't say obviously.

I'm glad he won for his sake, but I'm not sure I'd be willing to pronounce him a changed person because of one uneventful playoff that had limited adversity. It's like my friend who is claiming that Evander Kane is now a decent human being because he had 5 uneventful months in Edmonton.
- Monkeypunk

Oh I know for a fact that Naz has been a poopty person on ice but also off the ice too for his career in Toronto.

All the hot head moments on ice and I know some pretty poopty things he has said to some women.

You are probably right, its unfortunate he couldn't have a quality cup run with the leafs but its what happens when you are an idiot for too long.

Honestly good for him though, the guy needed that. Maybe this helps him grow even more. We'll see.

You forgot about Makar, Byram, Manson, Toews.

You know…. Actually good defense. 🤷🏼‍♂️
- .HOHO.

The thing is that their defense isn't that much different in composition than ours. It is better in terms of capability, but in terms of physical construction . . . I mean neither Rielly nor Makar are overly physical. In fact Makar is 5'11 and 187. Rielly is 6'1 / 220. But Makar, Toews, Byram and Girard are all fast and excellent skaters with some pretty great endurance. It allows them to get up ice and back in excellent time. They close on players quickly, and largely stick check or just be in the way. Guys like Johnson (and Johnson) and Manson were the muscle and the physicality, but it was rarely used as a tool to separate guys from the puck or intimidate. The physicality was used to win board battles and create room around the net.

Like, I'm not saying we have the same defense - but the role construct of guys who are supposed to be good skaters and can get up and down the ice and get in the lanes and force the play - like Rielly, Liljegren, Sandin and Brodie - and the guys who should force the play and make some room - like Muzzin and Gio - is not that dissimilar in construct.

As I said and so there's no confusion - Makar is better than Rielly, Toews is better than Brodie, and Byram and Girard are better than Sandin & Liljegren - but the differences there (other than Makar) are not that drastic. The difference was our execution often let us down. I'm still not sure, but for the Leafs, I think the let down came more from the defensive support from the forwards who weren't fully buying in. If you want a pressure system, everyone needs to be doing their role, or else you're just creating holes that can be exploited when you pressure the puck - or worse (and I saw this happen too often this year) is when you start to commit to the pressure, realize you're not supported, and then get caught in no man's land doing nothing where you're not pressuring, not blocking the shot, not blocking a passing lane - you're just on the ice.

It was a complete disaster. The sugarcoating around this place is impressive.
- fifty__missions

Ya, it wasnt.
Kadri was even suspended after the trade as well.
It simply wasnt a "disaster".

Arthuri Lehkonen.

Best deadline pickup by a mile.

What a player, very happy for him.
- Scabeh

What a steal Toews turned out to be.

The thing is that their defense isn't that much different in composition than ours. It is better in terms of capability, but in terms of physical construction . . . I mean neither Rielly nor Makar are overly physical. In fact Makar is 5'11 and 187. Rielly is 6'1 / 220. But Makar, Toews, Byram and Girard are all fast and excellent skaters with some pretty great endurance. It allows them to get up ice and back in excellent time. They close on players quickly, and largely stick check or just be in the way. Guys like Johnson (and Johnson) and Manson were the muscle and the physicality, but it was rarely used as a tool to separate guys from the puck or intimidate. The physicality was used to win board battles and create room around the net.

Like, I'm not saying we have the same defense - but the role construct of guys who are supposed to be good skaters and can get up and down the ice and get in the lanes and force the play - like Rielly, Liljegren, Sandin and Brodie - and the guys who should force the play and make some room - like Muzzin and Gio - is not that dissimilar in construct.

As I said and so there's no confusion - Makar is better than Rielly, Toews is better than Brodie, and Byram and Girard are better than Sandin & Liljegren - but the differences there (other than Makar) are not that drastic. The difference was our execution often let us down. I'm still not sure, but for the Leafs, I think the let down came more from the defensive support from the forwards who weren't fully buying in. If you want a pressure system, everyone needs to be doing their role, or else you're just creating holes that can be exploited when you pressure the puck - or worse (and I saw this happen too often this year) is when you start to commit to the pressure, realize you're not supported, and then get caught in no man's land doing nothing where you're not pressuring, not blocking the shot, not blocking a passing lane - you're just on the ice.
- Monkeypunk

Toews and Makar were awful in game 3. They seemed spooked and were giving up too much space and turning the puck over repeatedly. The whole team was tentative. Tampa played well but Colorado made it was too easy and the Lightning were able to take advantage of mistakes (with Kuemper’s help).

Even last night Colorado was far from crisp for a lot of the game, making mistakes but still creating offense. Tampa just couldn’t capitalize and ran out of gas.

What a steal Toews turned out to be.
- Fakepartofme

Yeah.

Once again, Sakic was willing to pay the price for the right player.

Avalanche are gonna contend for a while.

What a steal Toews turned out to be.
- Fakepartofme

Was that Uncle Lou’s doing ??