Hey Cush, that works both ways. Maybe you just don't see it..

Plus, my opinion may be "wrong" around here, but I have a feeling a lot of people feel the Kadri trade was poope. This place isn't exactly a bastion of objectivity.
- fifty__missions

I think there's a nice middle ground in this.

In hindsight ...bad trade. 3 years of Kadri > 3+ years of Kerfoot + 1 yr of Barrie.

That being said (and I'm a sweater-wearing Kadri fan) the deal made sense at the time. Every hockey fan west of China knew the Leafs were dying for a RHD that could play 20+ minutes. Barrie was kinda schmexy at the time. We all knew Kerfoot was a downgrade to Kadri but that was the cost to get the RHD they thought they needed.

Whether it was Babcock or Barrie ..not sure ..but it didn't work out.

Kadri's first two years in Denver were pretty meh ....this year, headed into UFA, he blew it up and went off. Not sure what he would have done here but I think the Leafs need one or two guys like him that do "anything" to win.

It works both ways? Not the degree you take it.

You come here and poop on the opinons of anyone who disagrees with you multiple times daily and throw out generic insults - today's being "sugarcoating".

Your feeling is your feeling, like your opinion you are entitled to it but there is no need to come here and be insulting to everyone and anyone who disagrees with it which is your MO.

State your opinion, be polite and respectful, and agree to disagree and walk away instead of making the snide, smart azz, insulting comment when people disagree with you and you might be surprised at how much more people will give the same back to you.
- Cush29

Like "I get a chuckle out of people who think" ?

Pffft .902, now do last nights game. Or how about do the 5 elimination games that the Leafs were in the last 2 years.
- bobbyisno1

Shots were 30-23 for the Avs.

Kumeper didnt steal anything.

It works both ways? Not the degree you take it.

You come here and poop on the opinons of anyone who disagrees with you multiple times daily and throw out generic insults - today's being "sugarcoating".

Your feeling is your feeling, like your opinion you are entitled to it but there is no need to come here and be insulting to everyone and anyone who disagrees with it which is your MO.

State your opinion, be polite and respectful, and agree to disagree and walk away instead of making the snide, smart azz, insulting comment when people disagree with you and you might be surprised at how much more people will give the same back to you.
- Cush29

Again, this works both ways.

There are people here saying I "hate" Dubas. I don't hate anyone.

I think that's slightly stronger language than me saying someone was "sugarcoating" an argument.

Yet I get called out for my comment.

Why is that??

Like "I get a chuckle out of people who think" ?
- bobbyisno1

I think about people chuckling. It’s kind of a weird thing to do. Why not laugh?

Like "I get a chuckle out of people who think" ?
- bobbyisno1

I get a chuckle when people say their opinion is fact.

Like fifty does a lot and what you did right there.

"Leafs won't win unless they get a goalie that can steal games"

Ironically after a playoff run where the goalie was average to below average.

I get a chuckle when people say their opinion is fact.

Like fifty does a lot and what you did right there.

"Leafs won't win unless they get a goalie that can steal games"

Ironically after a playoff run where the goalie was average to below average.
- Santo_44

You were talking about my opinion and I stated nothing as fact so go chuckle else where.

I get a chuckle when people say their opinion is fact.

Like fifty does a lot and what you did right there.

"Leafs won't win unless they get a goalie that can steal games"

Ironically after a playoff run where the goalie was average to below average.
- Santo_44

But here's a fact Campbell has been in 5 elimination games in the last 2 years. 0-5
Get a chuckle out of that.

But here's a fact Campbell has been in 5 elimination games in the last 2 years. 0-5
- bobbyisno1

How many of those are on Campbell though?

How many of those are on Campbell though?
- Scabeh

Was that my point or was my point that I think they won't win without the goalie stealing a game or two.

Again, this works both ways.

There are people here saying I "hate" Dubas. I don't hate anyone.

I think that's slightly stronger language than saying someone was "sugarcoating" an argument.

Yet I get called out for my comment.

Why is that??
- fifty__missions

Who cares Fif'sy .....both Dubas and Keefe are here for another year.

I say our focused debate needs to be about the on-ice roster. What's the plan this summer?

Mrazek is job one ...and getting all the options for goal figured out. Might be as simply as a buyout, sign Jack and vet backup. I wouldn't hate it.

D is pretty locked in ...maybe Holl can be bounced to free up a few bucks.

If Mrazek and Holl are out then theres a few million (plus Kerfoots AAV) to find a better fit for Tavares' line.

Also need to find a couple of 800k 4th liners that can play and skate.

Wildcard move - Willie, if the price is right.

The Kadri trade was poop, But so long ago. keeping Kadri doesn't mean the Leafs would be better. One thing is for sure they would be different.
- bobbyisno1

But was it really poop? It turned out that Barrie was m'eh but Kerfoot has been good and the trade was about clearing necessary cap space as much as anything.

I can't help but think if Kadri is a Leaf it doesn't change the playoff outcomes over the past seasons since he has been gone and he likely would have ended up suspended as a Leaf in the playoffs - again.

Another way to look at it is who would the Leafs NOT have had space for if they had kept Kadri?

I still see it as a trade that had to happen and Kadri (finally) matured to the point he has (maybe?) & needed to but I'm also not sure that happens if he stays as a Leaf.

Doesn't matter much though to your point it was a long time ago.

Was that my point or was my point that I think they won't win without the goalie stealing a game or two.
- bobbyisno1

I personally think Campbell can steal a game. He's played quite well in some playoff games. He kept Tampa to two goals in game 7 this year. His team, second highest scoring team in the league, couldn't muster more than 1 (that counted).

Was that my point or was my point that I think they won't win without the goalie stealing a game or two.
- bobbyisno1

"They need a goalie, till they get one that can steal a game they won't make it far."

This is a statement, you said the Leafs are not making it far without a goalie that can steal games.

Avs are champs .. but I'm pretty sure they're one and done.

No 1st or 2nd this yr - no 2nd in 23 or 24 and no 3rd in 24 ... Ouch..

UFA's out the wazoo...
Cogs
Burakovsky
Helm
Kads
Nichusken
Sturm...

All big contributors and UFA's ... most all getting substantial raises.. and not in Colorado...

Manson on the backend. Along with Kuemper...

They maybe can keep 3 out of all these guys.. Sakic work is just starting..


Going into next yr with 32 yr old Francouz in net...

Even with the cap going up... they got big issues.

I think that is a more accurate interpretation of the comment.

Still does not change the fact that Kadri could have been the difference maker in getting the Leafs past Tampa in the first round.

Trading Kadri was a mistake. Teams need physicality in the playoffs.

But every team makes deals and signs contracts that they will come to regret.

Fools will take this morning to say they are glad the Leafs traded Kadri or trading Kadri was the right thing to do. Right answer for today should be nothing more than "congratulations to Nazim Kadri on winning the Stanley Cup."
- spatso

The Leafs routinely out hit the teams they face in the playoffs.

The Leafs problems is that they go from the least penalised team in the league during the regular season to the "dirtiest" most penalised team in the league in the playoffs.

Crazy that.

I personally think Campbell can steal a game. He's played quite well in some playoff games. He kept Tampa to two goals in game 7 this year. His team, second highest scoring team in the league, couldn't muster more than 1 (that counted).
- Aaron_85

He played fine in game 7, Lets consider game 6?

I personally think Campbell can steal a game. He's played quite well in some playoff games. He kept Tampa to two goals in game 7 this year. His team, second highest scoring team in the league, couldn't muster more than 1 (that counted).
- Aaron_85

Any goalie can steal games based off of results in history.

The better you are the better percentage they steal games.

I chuckle that you seem to know what the Leafs need in order to win or not win yes. It would be different if you said it differently, but you said it as if the Leafs need it to win.

You said until the leafs get a goalie that can steal games they wont win, meanwhile the Avs just won with a .902 sv percentage.

I just get a chuckle out of people who think they know that there is an answer for some sort of key that unlocks the ability to win.

Plenty of ways to win, just make the team better and it gives you the best percentage shot to win.
- Santo_44

The key to winning the Cup, is to get some lucky bounces, have some calls go your way and keep battling when things don't go your way. It's not about adding in a new goalie or a new player or a new coach.. Anyone that says they know what the Leafs need to win, is hoping/wishing for a change.

The Leafs can win the Cup next year, if someone like Holl isn't called for interference.

Hey Cush, that works both ways. Maybe you just don't see it..

Plus, my opinion may be "wrong" around here, but I have a feeling a lot of people feel the Kadri trade was poope. This place isn't exactly a bastion of objectivity.
- fifty__missions

Yup some didnt like the trade and some did. But at the time it was a good trade. Kadri wasnt playing in the top 6, he was a 3rd line center on the leafs.
Leafs had cap issue and needed another top 4 with a scoring touch.
So dubas got a 3rd center (who still plays for the leafs and has been pretty darn good for them) and a top 4 dman who could score while convincing the avs to retain half his salary. Who many on here thought would score 70pts with the leafs.
Barrie didnt work out, cause he wasnt used properly for a portion on the season.
Kadris first two seasons with the avs, he was on a 57pt pace.
1st year with the leafs kerfoot was on a 35 pt pace and barrie was on a a 45pt pace.
57pts for 80pts and filled two positions.
Not bad.

"They need a goalie, till they get one that can steal a game they won't make it far."

This is a statement, you said the Leafs are not making it far without a goalie that can steal games.
- Santo_44

That's an opinion not stated as fact.
Who stole game six 2 years in a row? The other teams goalie, and they advanced.

The key to winning the Cup, is to get some lucky bounces, have some calls go your way and keep battling when things don't go your way. It's not about adding in a new goalie or a new player or a new coach.. Anyone that says they know what the Leafs need to win, is hoping/wishing for a change.

The Leafs can win the Cup next year, if someone like Holl isn't called for interference.
- PatC80

Bang on, that is what I say I chuckle at...when people think they have the key.

Plenty of ways to get better.

Take into account cost(both cap and prospect/player value going the other way) and who is available and make the team the best you can.

If that's a elite goalie sweet, if its a top 6 forward then sweet again, if it is some cheaper bottom 6 players that have great contracts then awesome. Just make the team better and do not overpay.

Like "I get a chuckle out of people who think" ?
- bobbyisno1

I get a chuckle out of people who think that their farts are funny 👍

That's an opinion not stated as fact.
Who stole game six 2 years in a row? The other teams goalie, and they advanced.
- bobbyisno1

So they can make it far without an elite goalie?

Yup some didnt like the trade and some did. But at the time it was a good trade. Kadri wasnt playing in the top 6, he was a 3rd line center on the leafs.
Leafs had cap issue and needed another top 4 with a scoring touch.
So dubas got a 3rd center (who still plays for the leafs and has been pretty darn good for them) and a top 4 dman who could score while convincing the avs to retain half his salary. Who many on here thought would score 70pts with the leafs.
Barrie didnt work out, cause he wasnt used properly for a portion on the season.
Kadris first two seasons with the avs, he was on a 57pt pace.
1st year with the leafs kerfoot was on a 35 pt pace and barrie was on a a 45pt pace.
57pts for 80pts and filled two positions.
Not bad.
- Fakepartofme

It was an awful trade and I'm blown away people are still going to this length to put some positive fluff on it.

It doesn't matter that Kadri was playing on our 3rd line, he was a 2C locked in at a premium rate for significant term. A one off RHD that never fit the mold and a slightly above average gadget guy they then had to extend doesn't cut it or anything close to cutting it.

If that's how we manage our assets I suppose everyone is content with trading Nylander for equivalent because some can argue they 'need to' for cap purposes? Don't think so.