you are always right in your mind


take the L, you earned it
- homiedclown

Digging in and repeating yourself doesn’t make u correct, just ignorant

I asked for examples, plural
U said i asked for an example, singular

You were wrong, your “L” there…. Again

Lol.
Refs always get the retaliation, not the instigator.
Hence why you would be on a stretcher at the 19:58 mark.

Good day.
- IonSabres

I think you misunderstood me. I follow the draft, but I don't follow prospects year round the way others do. I'm in the same boat as Hank.

The draft is fun to me, not looking to fight with anyone.
- Lunaion

Strange that you would feel a discussion with ion would turn into a fight?

How could that possibly be?

I think you misunderstood me. I follow the draft, but I don't follow prospects year round the way others do. I'm in the same boat as Hank.

The draft is fun to me, not looking to fight with anyone.
- Lunaion

We are good. It was a debate, not a fight IMO.

Per the Athletic's value chart



The difference between 9 and 7 is 0.8. An early 4th round pick is an acceptable add to make the trade even, valued at 0.8.

Michael Schucker, a statistical professor at St Lawrence U, came up with a different value system.



The difference between 9 and 7 is 69 points (nice). This would make a 6th round pick as an acceptable return. Clearly this is off the table because the Clown's nuggets would implode.

So, as Fitz incorrectly surmised, a 3rd or 4th round return is not 3 laughy faces. It is zero, or at most one, if the trade partner is firm in his selection in his position.
- TheSabresTaco

Arbitrary value charts don’t show what teams would necessarily have to give up to complete the trade though

I’ll bet Ion that we don’t move up to 7 for only a 3rd or 4th though

If we do, I’ll leave & never come back
If we don’t, he leaves & never comes back

I’ll make the same bet with you if you’d like

Per the Athletic's value chart



The difference between 9 and 7 is 0.8. An early 4th round pick is an acceptable add to make the trade even, valued at 0.8.

Michael Schucker, a statistical professor at St Lawrence U, came up with a different value system.



The difference between 9 and 7 is 69 points (nice). This would make a 6th round pick as an acceptable return. Clearly this is off the table because the Clown's nuggets would implode.

So, as Fitz incorrectly surmised, a 3rd or 4th round return is not 3 laughy faces. It is zero, or at most one, if the trade partner is firm in his selection in his position.
- TheSabresTaco

oh my

my guess is it's all dependent on each teams draft board and how much they like 1 guy over the other 2 possibilities

botts wanted to move up to pick 5 in 18 draft with nucks from pick 8 and nucks wanted nothing to do with it
- homiedclown

who was he after when trying to move up?

Lol.
Refs always get the retaliation, not the instigator.
Hence why you would be on a stretcher at the 19:58 mark.

Good day.
- IonSabres

Well this appears to cross the line of joking around.

I doubt you would still be playing still at the 19:58 mark, if you cant sit in a seat and watch a complete Lightning game.

Ion comparison- 🌮's guy ty myers
Boss - tie domi

I could care less about trading up, overall. It's always a little exciting when it happens, but the logic side to me says stay put at 9. Now, 28, yeah maybe shuffle up 2 or 3 to ensure a JJP. Just don't be wrong.
- TheSabresTaco

Absolutely. I can totally understand that.

oh my
- homiedclown

Very damning evidence since all trades follow the trade value charts
Oh, wait….

personally i believe this draft would not cost too much to move up a pick or two in the first round. last year to move from 22 to 20 cost a late third. From 9 to 7, I bet the Vegas 23 2nd is enough.
- TheSabresTaco

'23 2nd sounds like a '22 3rd in value.
Old adage is you increase 1 round for each 1 year the pick is moved back

Well this appears to cross the line of joking around.

I doubt you would still be playing still at the 19:58 mark, if you cant sit in a seat and watch a complete Lightning game.

Ion comparison- 🌮's guy ty myers
Boss - tie domi
- Boss34

Very damning evidence since all trades follow the trade value charts
Oh, wait….
- jdfitz77

2016 the sens and devils swapped picks 11 and 12

cost was a late third

Well this appears to cross the line of joking around.

I doubt you would still be playing still at the 19:58 mark, if you cant sit in a seat and watch a complete Lightning game.

Ion comparison- 🌮's guy ty myers
Boss - tie domi
- Boss34

Very damning evidence since all trades follow the trade value charts
Oh, wait….
- jdfitz77

do you just like to dismiss evidence based on biased opinions

- SabresFaninIndiana

'23 2nd sounds like a '22 3rd in value.
Old adage is you increase 1 round for each 1 year the pick is moved back
- IonSabres

what about future considerations... i think we need to cash in on some of those and move up in the draft.

Buffalo 9th overall + 3rd round pick and "will butcher future considerations cash in" to NJD for 2nd overall.

come on darcy make it happen

I apologize for jumping into your guys conversation but neither of you are wrong.

Homie did in-fact give you an example of a team trading back for essentially nothing but the initial spirit of the trade was not to move back from 1st to 3rd overall for a 3rd or 4th.

I apologize for jumping into your guys conversation but neither of you are wrong.

Homie did in-fact give you an example of a team trading back for essentially nothing but the initial spirit of the trade was not to move back from 1st to 3rd overall for a 3rd or 4th.
- joshs

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'23 2nd sounds like a '22 3rd in value.
Old adage is you increase 1 round for each 1 year the pick is moved back
- IonSabres

Decent point you have. The value is probably the Sabres 3 gets it done this year. In this case, Ottawa needs to be more than willing. If they're stubborn about it, it's ludicrous to go any higher.

what about future considerations... i think we need to cash in on some of those and move up in the draft.

Buffalo 9th overall + 3rd round pick and "will butcher future considerations cash in" to NJD for 2nd overall.

come on darcy make it happen
- SabresFaninIndiana

based

Bc Ion thinks it would only cost a 3rd or 4th to move up to pick 7

If that’s true,
then the Sabres should certainly do that
Heck, just about every team in every year should
- jdfitz77

He didn't say that, he said the various trade charts have that

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- homiedclown

We all have our bad days.

2016 the sens and devils swapped picks 11 and 12

cost was a late third
- homiedclown

And one would assume that moving up TWO spots in the Top10 would cost MORE than moving up ONE spot in the teens

Thanks for helping prove my point

I’ve got stuff to do on this beautiful day,
so I’ll leave it there

Appreciate you having my back 🤣🤣