I thought I made it clear that I saw him being a Richard and wanted to take a higher road. I guess I didn't, so just to clarify, that's what my comment meant.

Retaliation can get you two, I get that. Surely inviting the retaliation is worthy of something here as well no? Because if one can check a response and still be the only offender, why not go the distance the first time. 🤷🏻‍♂️
- joel878

Don't play coy now, you said what you said and you got your shot in leave it alone and you can can the commentary on how the moderating is done while your at it. If you don't you won't enjoy how this ends.

I'm being a Richard. ha ha

you have seen yourself in computer screen haven't you.???

yeah keep that whining going

you'll never be satisfied with the Leafs.

All team have bad trades.
- dmnted

Hmmm, I'm actually pretty satisfied with the Leafs. I was among the first to be defending this year's loss as a positive step.

The irony behind a whining allegation is not lost but I'm still sorry my feelings about a move have impacted you so negatively, don't let it ruin your day chum. 👍

You already know Dubas is moving down
- Santo_44

Time to change the tactics. No one will see it coming. It's brilliant.

Guys, Leafs need a goalie....Fact.

Again, one can have an opinion about something that happened in the past and say they didn't like it, and that doesn't have to be 'whining'.

I'm about over you being a (frank)ing Richard for no reason, good to see at the least we're both suffering.
- joel878

true you can have that opinion but there is no need to go on and on and on and on just because a former Leafs player won the cup.
why punish yourself for something out of your control.

I'm being a Richard. ha ha

you have seen yourself in computer screen haven't you.???

yeah keep that whining going

you'll never be satisfied with the Leafs.

All team have bad trades.
- dmnted

Ok both of you need to agree to disagree and walk away now before it gets to the point where I have to take action. Please do so.

Thx

One that could steal a game or two would be nice.

Hmmm, I'm actually pretty satisfied with the Leafs. I was among the first to be defending this year's loss as a positive step.

The irony behind a whining allegation is not lost but I'm still sorry my feelings about a move have impacted you so negatively, don't let it ruin your day chum. 👍
- joel878

thank you.

day not ruined and has not impacted me in a negative way.

then what's the issue with the trade? Naz won the the cup. be happy for him.

move on.

sounds simple to me.

I'm being a Richard. ha ha

you have seen yourself in computer screen haven't you.???

yeah keep that whining going

you'll never be satisfied with the Leafs.

All team have bad trades.
- dmnted

See Wild Bill for the Wiz... just one of many bad Duck trades... Theodore..

Guys, Leafs need a goalie....Fact.
- bobbyisno1

True.

Also fact - Avs won using their backup and Kemper who looked very much like what Toronto has seen as it relates to goaltending in high pressure, series or cup clinching games. All I could think when Tamps scored last night was 'ew - bad goal' and I had a bit of a game 7 vs Habs flashback. Kemper gave up a poopity goal in the prior game as well.

Difference is the Avs found a way to overcome it last night and scored.

If you have to rely on your goalie to 'steal' a game come playoff time you perhaps aren't a well built team. I mean if your going against a team you are evenly matched against in most ways ok it can be the difference maker but the Leafs were not in that position vs the Habs, nor the Blue Jackets. Not scoring when they needed to cost them far more than not having an elite goalie between the pipes.

Hell Tampa has what many say is the 'best goalie in the world' on their team and they just lost!

Kemper winning a cup makes me think of a Neimi in Chicago winning a cup....or even Crawford who could be really good but also at times Really really bad. lol

True.

Also fact - Avs won using their backup and Kemper who looked very much like what Toronto has seen as it relates to goaltending in high pressure, series or cup clinching games. All I could think when Tamps scored last night was 'ew - bad goal' and I had a bit of a game 7 vs Habs flashback. Kemper gave up a poopity goal in the prior game as well.

Difference is the Avs found a way to overcome it last night and scored.

If you have to rely on your goalie to 'steal' a game come playoff time you perhaps aren't a well built team. I mean if your going against a team you are evenly matched against in most ways ok it can be the difference maker but the Leafs were not in that position vs the Habs, nor the Blue Jackets. Not scoring when they needed to cost them far more than not having an elite goalie between the pipes.

Hell Tampa has what many say is the 'best goalie in the world' on their team and they just lost!

Kemper winning a cup makes me think of a Neimi in Chicago winning a cup....or even Crawford who could be really good but also at times Really really bad. lol
- Cush29

I disagree, if the goaltenders were switched last year in the Montreal Leaf series Tampa might not have 2 cups.

thank you.

day not ruined and has not impacted me in a negative way.

then what's the issue with the trade? Naz won the the cup. be happy for him.

move on.

sounds simple to me.
- dmnted

Because it's not about Naz, it's about the idea I think the leafs would be much further ahead where they are now had trading him been managed better. There's even a reasonable chance that we wouldn't be condemned to reading the daily debates on why the team hasn't gone anywhere.

In the grand scheme of things I think Dubas has done a great job and trust he will continue to do so.

One that could steal a game or two would be nice.
- bobbyisno1

my guess is a trade, maybe Varlamov

I keep trying to tell the jets to rebuild and trade helleb..no response yet

I'm being a Richard. ha ha

you have seen yourself in computer screen haven't you.???

yeah keep that whining going

you'll never be satisfied with the Leafs.

All team have bad trades.
- dmnted

I still dont believe it was a bad trade.
oh well.

I disagree, if the goaltenders were switched last year in the Montreal Leaf series Tampa might not have 2 cups.
- bobbyisno1

Maybe not but Carey Price also has zero cups. (Sorry Scabby) vs Neimi who has one and Crawford who has 2.

to me having an elite goaltender is not a guaranteed way to win a cup. I do agree 100% it sure can help but again Kemper is the latest example that you don't need one to win necessarily but you do need the pieces to make up for it which the Avs had and Toronto doesn't.

If Jack Campbell was the Av's goalie this year he would be raising the cup right now in my opinion.

True.

Also fact - Avs won using their backup and Kemper who looked very much like what Toronto has seen as it relates to goaltending in high pressure, series or cup clinching games. All I could think when Tamps scored last night was 'ew - bad goal' and I had a bit of a game 7 vs Habs flashback. Kemper gave up a poopity goal in the prior game as well.

Difference is the Avs found a way to overcome it last night and scored.

If you have to rely on your goalie to 'steal' a game come playoff time you perhaps aren't a well built team. I mean if your going against a team you are evenly matched against in most ways ok it can be the difference maker but the Leafs were not in that position vs the Habs, nor the Blue Jackets. Not scoring when they needed to cost them far more than not having an elite goalie between the pipes.

Hell Tampa has what many say is the 'best goalie in the world' on their team and they just lost!

Kemper winning a cup makes me think of a Neimi in Chicago winning a cup....or even Crawford who could be really good but also at times Really really bad. lol
- Cush29

I dont think its about "relying" on a goalie to steal a game as much as it is about having a goalie that you know "can" steal you a game in the playoffs when it counts.
Kemper did win a cup, but he had a great defensive core in front of him and a team played within a a quality system. Same with Niemi in Chicago.
However, in previous series and including the tampa series, when the scoring dried up, that is exactly when you need a goalie to "steal" a game. That's usually when the stealing of the games occurs, when the teams offense kinda dries up and they only score a goal or two. IMO.

The Toronto Maple Leafs are a professional ice hockey team playing in the National Hockey League.

Maybe not but Carey Price also has zero cups. (Sorry Scabby) vs Neimi who has one and Crawford who has 2.

to me having an elite goaltender is not a guaranteed way to win a cup. I do agree 100% it sure can help but again Kemper is the latest example that you don't need one to win necessarily but you do need the pieces to make up for it which the Avs had and Toronto doesn't.

If Jack Campbell was the Av's goalie this year he would be raising the cup right now in my opinion.
- Cush29

If you dont have elite goaltending, then you need an elite D core and center or a great D core and elite center/forwards. Which Chicago had and the Avs have (as you mentioned).
Montreal only ever had elite goaltending and an ok D/ forward core. Hence no cups.
IMO

The Toronto Maple Leafs are a professional ice hockey team playing in the National Hockey League.
- Zezel

So are the Arizona coyotes!

Woo hoo!

Big issues with the Leafs are:

Leafs goaltending last year was a 6 out of 10, good, not great. It made the difference in the Tampa series. See New York Rangers backup Alexandar Georgiev. 2.92GAA average for the Rangers. He's a restricted free agent. Could the Leafs take a run at this guy who'll never be the number 1 for the NYR, only 26 yrs old?

Looking at the Rangers, Tampa and Colorado, they all had young stud defensemen. Leafs have some good, but not Norris worthy candidates. Leafs need a young defender, see Jakob Chychrun in Arizona, that could be had to fill that hole. But will they make such a deal?

Leafs have not had a spiritual leader since the days of Tucker, Corson and Roberts. Leafs teams that went deep in the playoffs always had at least one or two of these type of players. Players that play hurt and go through walls to win games. Suggestions? Sam Bennett?

Time for the Leafs to start building a team with tenacity, to go with their top end talent.

And for the hell of it, why don't the Blue Jays tie the can to their Manager Charlie Montoyo. Big fail letting their young talent age and having a weak bench boss. Sounds allot like the Leafs and their Blue and White disease.

If you dont have elite goaltending, then you need an elite D core and center or a great D core and elite center/forwards. Which Chicago had and the Avs have (as you mentioned).
Montreal only ever had elite goaltending and an ok D/ forward core. Hence no cups.
IMO
- Fakepartofme

Generous

Generous
- GreatGigInTheSky

I was trying to be positive.

Did Perry sign for 1 year or 2? As much as of annoying player he is, he would help the leafs 4th line at million if that’s what he is looking for.

Big issues with the Leafs are:

Leafs goaltending last year was a 6 out of 10, good, not great. It made the difference in the Tampa series. See New York Rangers backup Alexandar Georgiev. 2.92GAA average for the Rangers. He's a restricted free agent. Could the Leafs take a run at this guy who'll never be the number 1 for the NYR, only 26 yrs old?

Looking at the Rangers, Tampa and Colorado, they all had young stud defensemen. Leafs have some good, but not Norris worthy candidates. Leafs need a young defender, see Jakob Chychrun in Arizona, that could be had to fill that hole. But will they make such a deal?

Leafs have not had a spiritual leader since the days of Tucker, Corson and Roberts. Leafs teams that went deep in the playoffs always had at least one or two of these type of players. Players that play hurt and go through walls to win games. Suggestions? Sam Bennett?

Time for the Leafs to start building a team with tenacity, to go with their top end talent.

And for the hell of it, why don't the Blue Jays tie the can to their Manager Charlie Montoyo. Big fail letting their young talent age and having a weak bench boss. Sounds allot like the Leafs and their Blue and White disease.
- PrinceLH

So, Georgiev, Chychrun and Sam Bennett... Seems easy enough...

The Rangers, Coyotes and Panthers can all share Petr Mrazek