Mangiapane. LOL.

+Valimaki+1st
- eastcanadAREaholes

Are you insane? Value wise, Mangiapane for Sillinger straight up could make sense, but very doubtful CBJ would be interested. You're going to throw Valimaki and a first on top of that? So the Flames would have no draft picks, no Mangiapane, and an even bigger hole to fill on defense?

I expect a lot of action from Treliving in a week, adding 3-4 picks. Hopefully Mangiapane isn't one of the moving players, he's exactly what we need, speed and skill.

Are you insane? Value wise, Mangiapane for Sillinger straight up could make sense, but very doubtful CBJ would be interested. You're going to throw Valimaki and a first on top of that? So the Flames would have no draft picks, no Mangiapane, and an even bigger hole to fill on defense?
- Squeaky

You said it yourself, you're doubtful Mangiapane would be sufficient, so we'd have to throw in more. Centers are hard to get, Backlund needs to be on a 2nd/3rd line role next season to mentor/compete with Sillinger. It sets us up real nice. If we can retain last year's 1st line, having Sillinger+Coronato move around our top 9 has a lot of potential. Conroy said they want Harvard to try Coronato at Center next season. I'm starting to get the impression that Treliving wants to wait out the Lucic+Monahan contracts and ride out the LTIR loophole with news that Tanev maybe out half the season (TSN Valji).

Take it easy on the haterade cowboy

I don't know if Kylington's a prototypical Sutter-type player in comparison to our two giant UFAs on defence.
Mangiapane's going to be expensive & salary wise potentially over-committed on wingers.
We don't have the skill we need at 2C (Highly dependent on Monahan's come back).

We need an upgrade on defence, +#2C
Potential moving parts are IMO: Kylington, Valimaki, Mangiapane, Toffoli, Backlund, Lucic, Monahan, 2nd 2022, 1st 2023

I'm going into the draft expecting a salary dump or hockey trade to address D + 2C.

You said it yourself, you're doubtful Mangiapane would be sufficient, so we'd have to throw in more. Centers are hard to get, Backlund needs to be on a 2nd/3rd line role next season to mentor/compete with Sillinger. It sets us up real nice. If we can retain last year's 1st line, having Sillinger+Coronato move around our top 9 has a lot of potential. Conroy said they want Harvard to try Coronato at Center next season. I'm starting to get the impression that Treliving wants to wait out the Lucic+Monahan contracts and ride out the LTIR loophole with news that Tanev maybe out half the season (TSN Valji).

Take it easy on the haterade cowboy
- eastcanadAREaholes

The package you're suggesting is what it would take to get the 2nd pick from the Devils. You want to trade it for a guy who isn't anywhere close to being able to be a 2nd line centre on a contending team.

Wondering if there is any way to try and pull Scheifele or PLD out of Winnepeg.

Both have stated they want to go to become UFA. Both are Sutter type players, and both are under salary for the next year which helps out with the Flames salary needs.

Scheif and Tkachuk are good friends as well.

I understand we are plugging on hole to create another, but it seems much easier to fill holes at the wing than at center.

I realize Flames have been without a top line RW since.......

Thanks Trevor!

Good read. I am starting to prepare myself for a Flames team without JG.

What is happening with Monahan? I thought I remember reading that he was ahead of schedule. Seems like he would be the candidate to be bought out.

UFA's after the 2023-24 Season: Lindholm, Tanev, Backlund, Hanafin, Toffoli
RFA's - Dube

Looking at this, and the uncertainty of JG resigning you can see why they traded so much draft capital this year.

If JG does not resign, now would be the proper time to do a rebuild. Almost all of those 2024 UFA's will be worth a boatload now compared to a year from now. Especially with next year being a strong draft.

I fear we could be returning to the Iginla years.
- DuranDuran

Still no answer from Gaudreau on our offer. I imagine we'll be switching to plan B soon. I believe Monahan will be moved at the draft with a prospect for a draft pick. The Red Wings could be a good trade partner if they're not on his no-trade list, they have 10 picks, closer to home too.

Still no answer from Gaudreau on our offer. I imagine we'll be switching to plan B soon. I believe Monahan will be moved at the draft with a prospect for a draft pick. The Red Wings could be a good trade partner if they're not on his no-trade list, they have 10 picks, closer to home too.
- drogon

Why would Detroit trade for an oft injured player who hasn't earned his contract in 3 years while trying to improve their team for the long term? Monahan has 1 year left on a overpriced contract. He checks nothing off for the Wings.

Still no answer from Gaudreau on our offer. I imagine we'll be switching to plan B soon. I believe Monahan will be moved at the draft with a prospect for a draft pick. The Red Wings could be a good trade partner if they're not on his no-trade list, they have 10 picks, closer to home too.
- drogon

I cannot see anyone (besides a team trying to reach the cap floor) interested in Monahan. I would call him a shadow of his former self, but that would be insulting shadows. He has lost what little speed he had and no longer has a decent release. Injuries are a female dog.

Still no answer from Gaudreau on our offer. I imagine we'll be switching to plan B soon. I believe Monahan will be moved at the draft with a prospect for a draft pick. The Red Wings could be a good trade partner if they're not on his no-trade list, they have 10 picks, closer to home too.
- drogon

There's no motivation to get a deal done before July 12th, and the Flames won't move on to plan B until Gaudreau makes his decision. He's going to let other teams pitch to him at a minimum.

Still no answer from Gaudreau on our offer. I imagine we'll be switching to plan B soon. I believe Monahan will be moved at the draft with a prospect for a draft pick. The Red Wings could be a good trade partner if they're not on his no-trade list, they have 10 picks, closer to home too.
- drogon

I don't really think it's worth it to move Monahan unless a team actually wants him. There's only a year left on his deal so it's not really worth giving up draft picks or buying him out. It makes more sense to hope that he's fully healthy and able to contribute at least as a 3C. There were times last year when he looked pretty good when he was with Lucic. If he can play like that for a full year, it's worth keeping him around. It also gives them the cap space to try and overpay MacKinnon next summer.

I cannot see anyone (besides a team trying to reach the cap floor) interested in Monahan. I would call him a shadow of his former self, but that would be insulting shadows. He has lost what little speed he had and no longer has a decent release. Injuries are a female dog.
- DuranDuran

Very true, tough asset to be moved. Better sweetener, retained salary, part of a bigger deal. Nothing is impossible, we'll see at the draft.

I cannot see anyone (besides a team trying to reach the cap floor) interested in Monahan. I would call him a shadow of his former self, but that would be insulting shadows. He has lost what little speed he had and no longer has a decent release. Injuries are a female dog.
- DuranDuran

And any team just trying to reach the floor are likely on his NTC. At this point in time he has negative value and is virtually impossible to move due to his contract and its stipulations. Maybe he can regain his health and some value by the deadline. But right now it's an immovable player/contract.

I don't really think it's worth it to move Monahan unless a team actually wants him. There's only a year left on his deal so it's not really worth giving up draft picks or buying him out. It makes more sense to hope that he's fully healthy and able to contribute at least as a 3C. There were times last year when he looked pretty good when he was with Lucic. If he can play like that for a full year, it's worth keeping him around. It also gives them the cap space to try and overpay MacKinnon next summer.
- Squeaky

Colorado likely extends MacKinnon once the new league year begins. Odds of going after him even with an overpay are slim to none. Why would a team player who took a team friendly deal on his last contract to help them build a contender not extend at a fair value on the reigning Cup champions?

And any team just trying to reach the floor are likely on his NTC. At this point in time he has negative value and is virtually impossible to move due to his contract and its stipulations. Maybe he can regain his health and some value by the deadline. But right now it's an immovable player/contract.
- wreckage

He has a year left on his deal. He's not blocking a trade anywhere that'll get him playing time.

And any team just trying to reach the floor are likely on his NTC. At this point in time he has negative value and is virtually impossible to move due to his contract and its stipulations. Maybe he can regain his health and some value by the deadline. But right now it's an immovable player/contract.
- wreckage

Unless he feels that with more playing time and better linemates he can resurrect his career. But unless JG signs and they want to make another run, I do not want them trading any picks.

I think it was only at the end of the year that they took Monahan off the powerplay and added Toffoli. Monahan got a lot of first-line power-play minutes last year.

With Monahan and Lucic on the payroll, it's going to be tough to improve this team. I would rather they stick it out next year and retool where they can, allowing for them to make big moves the following year when they actually have some cap space.

This team needs a little injection of youth anyways.

He has a year left on his deal. He's not blocking a trade anywhere that'll get him playing time.
- Squeaky

If he has any value who is blocking his playing time in Calgary? Are the Flames not short on C's?

If he has any value who is blocking his playing time in Calgary? Are the Flames not short on C's?
- wreckage

They're not at all. They could use another high end centre, but so can everyone. Best case scenario for Monahan is 3C in Calgary and 2nd PP. He can do better than that on a lot of teams.

If Monahan's healthy and can get on a top PP somewhere, he can probably still get 20-30 goals and earn his next contract.

They're not at all. They could use another high end centre, but so can everyone. Best case scenario for Monahan is 3C in Calgary and 2nd PP. He can do better than that on a lot of teams.

If Monahan's healthy and can get on a top PP somewhere, he can probably still get 20-30 goals and earn his next contract.
- Squeaky

If healthy and the Flames lose one of Gaudreau or Tkachuk there is space on PP1 for Monahan. Even with them there could still be space for him on PP1 IF HEALTHY. Then build up some value and trade him closer to the deadline. Right now he has negative value and you need to include a sweetener to get a team to take him and his contract on.

If healthy and the Flames lose one of Gaudreau or Tkachuk there is space on PP1 for Monahan. Even with them there could still be space for him on PP1 IF HEALTHY. Then build up some value and trade him closer to the deadline. Right now he has negative value and you need to include a sweetener to get a team to take him and his contract on.
- wreckage

Why are you arguing with me? I said the Flames shouldn't trade Monahan. He's just not going to block a trade if they do try and trade him.

The package you're suggesting is what it would take to get the 2nd pick from the Devils. You want to trade it for a guy who isn't anywhere close to being able to be a 2nd line centre on a contending team.
- Squeaky

The problem is finding a #2C who can fit under our cap space with Gaudreau re-signed. Backlund showed up in the playoffs, so he's still got value to this team, I think he could shoulder the burden with a younger high end center on 2nd/3rd lines.

Rumor is Flames offered Johnny 8 x 8.5. No surprise he hasn't signed if thats true.

Rumor is Flames offered Johnny 8 x 8.5. No surprise he hasn't signed if thats true.
- wreckage

You're just making stuff up. Everyone reporting on the numbers is just making it up, but respectable people feel the offer is around 9.5 million yearly. Friedman also said he thinks the offer is substantial enough that no one is going to offer more.

It sets the bar high for Mangiapane.


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#Canucks announce they’ve reached an extension with Brock Boeser: 3 years x $6.65 million.

If Gaudreau walks, it will be a little more difficult to have players wanting to play here.