If Gaudreau walks, it will be a little more difficult to have players wanting to play here.
- drogon

Best move is to let Johnny walk to Philly to clear space and somehow get Tkachuk to STL. Both will not be playoff factors for the Flames in the future. Time to move on and get better.

You're just making stuff up. Everyone reporting on the numbers is just making it up, but respectable people feel the offer is around 9.5 million yearly. Friedman also said he thinks the offer is substantial enough that no one is going to offer more.
- Squeaky

The rumor I read on pro hockey rumors said 8 x 8.5M, he changed it now to 8 x 9.5M, which I feel is fair. 8.5M is definately shy.

The rumor I read on pro hockey rumors said 8 x 8.5M, he changed it now to 8 x 9.5M, which I feel is fair. 8.5M is definately shy.
- wreckage

$9.5m is only 11.5% of cap at time of signing. Gaudreau's in the same class of players who signed at 13-14%, that's what he should be offered and from there Gaudreau can make the call on a discount. The guy who's best buddies with Putler got 18%, but Crosby took a discount and signed for 14% of cap. P. Kane got 14% along with Tavares iirc. Mcdavid was 16.67% albeit RFA signing. Panarin 14.29% or 12.5% if his $81.5m is spread out over 8 years.
The cap's going up and I don't think Gaudreau's the player who we nickle and dime. At 13%, the dollar amount is $10.7m and imo that's the ballpark he should be in. Total contract value should exceed what he could get elsewhere, because making the same amount of money faster is basic finance..

$9.5m is only 11.5% of cap at time of signing. Gaudreau's in the same class of players who signed at 13-14%, that's what he should be offered and from there Gaudreau can make the call on a discount. The guy who's best buddies with Putler got 18%, but Crosby took a discount and signed for 14% of cap. P. Kane got 14% along with Tavares iirc. Mcdavid was 16.67% albeit RFA signing. Panarin 14.29% or 12.5% if his $81.5m is spread out over 8 years.
The cap's going up and I don't think Gaudreau's the player who we nickle and dime. At 13%, the dollar amount is $10.7m and imo that's the ballpark he should be in. Total contract value should exceed what he could get elsewhere, because making the same amount of money faster is basic finance..
- eastcanadAREaholes

Go look up his birthday.

Panarin and Kane are the only comparables of the players you named and they sure weren't given 8 year contracts when they were 29.

Go look up his birthday.

Panarin and Kane are the only comparables of the players you named and they sure weren't given 8 year contracts when they were 29.
- Squeaky

Well, positionally you're correct - only Panarin and Kane. But he shouldn't exceed the 16-19% that the "generational" players get.

Even if you put it at 12% to discount your point about age - that's $10m/yr, and the $9.5m contracts Tampa has, don't tell the entire story due to their tax laws & weather, we have to pay a premium imo

Well, positionally you're correct - only Panarin and Kane. But he shouldn't exceed the 16-19% that the "generational" players get.

Even if you put it at 12% to discount your point about age - that's $10m/yr, and the $9.5m contracts Tampa has, don't tell the entire story due to their tax laws & weather, we have to pay a premium imo
- eastcanadAREaholes

There are only so many players that can get that kind of money in Florida. So to me the closest one is Marner who got 10.9mill. That 9.5 mill on an 8 year deal is pretty close to the Marner comp. Marner wanted 5 years because of his age. Flames would gladly up a bit to get only 5 years but Gaudreau would be crazy not to want at least a7 or even better 8 year deal.

If I were Treliving, I would let him go talk to other teams now & see what they will give him & possibly open the door for a sign & trade if Johnny doesnt want to spend the next 8 years in Calgary. Watching Fox news, I dont think living in Calgary would be such a bad thing for Johnny bringing up a young family. His signing bonus could literally buy his parents, her parents & all his siblings a nice house here. Lol

There are only so many players that can get that kind of money in Florida. So to me the closest one is Marner who got 10.9mill. That 9.5 mill on an 8 year deal is pretty close to the Marner comp. Marner wanted 5 years because of his age. Flames would gladly up a bit to get only 5 years but Gaudreau would be crazy not to want at least a7 or even better 8 year deal.

If I were Treliving, I would let him go talk to other teams now & see what they will give him & possibly open the door for a sign & trade if Johnny doesnt want to spend the next 8 years in Calgary. Watching Fox news, I dont think living in Calgary would be such a bad thing for Johnny bringing up a young family. His signing bonus could literally buy his parents, her parents & all his siblings a nice house here. Lol
- Kevin R

Bang on 5 X 10 MIL or 8 x 9 MIL.

There are only so many players that can get that kind of money in Florida. So to me the closest one is Marner who got 10.9mill. That 9.5 mill on an 8 year deal is pretty close to the Marner comp. Marner wanted 5 years because of his age. Flames would gladly up a bit to get only 5 years but Gaudreau would be crazy not to want at least a7 or even better 8 year deal.

If I were Treliving, I would let him go talk to other teams now & see what they will give him & possibly open the door for a sign & trade if Johnny doesnt want to spend the next 8 years in Calgary. Watching Fox news, I dont think living in Calgary would be such a bad thing for Johnny bringing up a young family. His signing bonus could literally buy his parents, her parents & all his siblings a nice house here. Lol
- Kevin R

I use Florida as a destination example, I wasn't implying they'd pluck Gaudreau from us.

I think it's more than direct family members for Gaudreau (you forgot his wife's family's housing needs , I get the impression the Gaudreau's were early settlers in the US and wouldn't be surprised if they may have been related to those Acadians who went to Louisiana for whatever reason - so probably lots of family members in Philly & friends.

And it's safe to say, Gaudreau's contract will defacto have NTC for all 8 years, plus paying out the majority of the contract between years 2-5 with buy-out protection.

the Flames are not going to trade Mangiapane

the Flames are not going to trade Mangiapane
- Gmo3000

I agree, that would be a big mistake.

I agree, that would be a big mistake.
- drogon

I only trade him to get a 2C. Flames have some good prospects coming in at wing. But no one that looks like they can fill that 2 C.

What ever happened to Connor Zary?

If we're really serious about getting the Devils #2 pick, Mangiapane, Kylington won't cut it, only Tkachuk can make it happen.

I only trade him to get a 2C. Flames have some good prospects coming in at wing. But no one that looks like they can fill that 2 C.

What ever happened to Connor Zary?
- DuranDuran

We can try the UFA market for a 2C but it could be expensive. I read that management is pushing Harvard to play Coronato at centre. I don't know about Zary, disappointing, maybe because he's a bad skater? If we get a 2C, what to do with Backlund and his big salary?

Best move is to let Johnny walk to Philly to clear space and somehow get Tkachuk to STL. Both will not be playoff factors for the Flames in the future. Time to move on and get better.
- LordHumungous

Totally agree. Why fork out in the neibourhood of $20 mil per season for two guys we already know don't have the playoff mustard to win us a Cup.

Trade Tkachuk for the second pick or better, fire Treliving and lets start the process of building a REAL contender.

What ever happened to Connor Zary?
- DuranDuran

Already in the HoF for making the Connor 3 hrs north look like a badminton player in comparison

I only trade him to get a 2C. Flames have some good prospects coming in at wing. But no one that looks like they can fill that 2 C.

What ever happened to Connor Zary?
- DuranDuran

Had a bad injury in training camp that really derailed his year. Still pretty young & not a time to prejudge me thinks.

Had a bad injury in training camp that really derailed his year. Still pretty young & not a time to prejudge me thinks.
- Kevin R

I remember he had that injury and I thought he was back with Stockton with about 1/4 of the season left.

But never really heard if he was making an impact or not.

I remember he had that injury and I thought he was back with Stockton with about 1/4 of the season left.

But never really heard if he was making an impact or not.
- DuranDuran

He actually had a bit of a run for about 7-10 days near the end of the year but the injury really derailed his year. Hopefully he trains & gets in great shape for camp in the fall & we see what we were hoping to see from the kid. Heard Flames pushing Harvard to put Coronato at centre.

He actually had a bit of a run for about 7-10 days near the end of the year but the injury really derailed his year. Hopefully he trains & gets in great shape for camp in the fall & we see what we were hoping to see from the kid. Heard Flames pushing Harvard to put Coronato at centre.
- Kevin R

Zary was having a pretty good training camp before the injury. I’m not convinced he’s a potential #2 center, but still a good prospect.
What’s going on with that sex scandal with the junior aged players?

He actually had a bit of a run for about 7-10 days near the end of the year but the injury really derailed his year. Hopefully he trains & gets in great shape for camp in the fall & we see what we were hoping to see from the kid. Heard Flames pushing Harvard to put Coronato at centre.
- Kevin R

I am hoping they discussed it with Coronato first. Wonder why they want to switch position? When was the last time Flames drafted a RW in the first round? It’s been a while.

I am hoping they discussed it with Coronato first. Wonder why they want to switch position? When was the last time Flames drafted a RW in the first round? It’s been a while.
- DuranDuran

What do you think Duran, Gaudreau gone or will he stay. Man, Flames without Gaudreau won't feel right.

What do you think Duran, Gaudreau gone or will he stay. Man, Flames without Gaudreau won't feel right.
- hockey4hockey

I think he is gone. Seems like he has a pretty fair offer in the table. I think he knows where he wants to play and is waiting for that team to open up some cap space.

I hope I am wrong, but it’s out of my hands. If he does go for nothing, I cannot see sticking with Tre.

What do you see happening? What direction does the team take if JG walks?

I think he is gone. Seems like he has a pretty fair offer in the table. I think he knows where he wants to play and is waiting for that team to open up some cap space.

I hope I am wrong, but it’s out of my hands. If he does go for nothing, I cannot see sticking with Tre.

What do you see happening? What direction does the team take if JG walks?
- DuranDuran

Yeah this is one of those I heard from someone who heard from someone that works for them whose wife knows the Gaudreau's hahaha.
Word is she wants to be near family when they start to have the babies. Sounds like he's gone as well. Again, why cant this be on the table with Tre who can go to let's say Philly if thats the destination they want to go to & cut a deal. Gaudreau will want his $$$ & that 8th year keeps the cap hit under 10 mill where it wouldnt for 7 year deal. Get him resigned to that 8 year deal & trade him to Philly for JVR (makes the cap room for Philly, & then get them to add that 5th OA & if Tre were really on the ball get them to throw in Tippett. Then it would look like everyone wins.

Yeah this is one of those I heard from someone who heard from someone that works for them whose wife knows the Gaudreau's hahaha.
Word is she wants to be near family when they start to have the babies. Sounds like he's gone as well. Again, why cant this be on the table with Tre who can go to let's say Philly if thats the destination they want to go to & cut a deal. Gaudreau will want his $$$ & that 8th year keeps the cap hit under 10 mill where it wouldnt for 7 year deal. Get him resigned to that 8 year deal & trade him to Philly for JVR (makes the cap room for Philly, & then get them to add that 5th OA & if Tre were really on the ball get them to throw in Tippett. Then it would look like everyone wins.
- Kevin R

The Flyers sure don't win in your scenario. People need to give up on these pipe dreams that trading Gaudreau is going to be a thing, especially not for a top-five pick and Tippet. The 8th year is irrelevant if Gaudreau wants to play for the Flyers. If he wants to play there, they don't have to overpay him. 9 million is probably more than enough to get it done. The Leafs offered less than the Islanders to Tavares and didn't have to worry about having that contract for 8 years or giving up important assets.

The Flyers win when they get Gaudreau, they pick at 5, and they keep Tippet. JVR is also pretty moveable since he has no trade protection and his actual salary is only 4 million.

Yeah this is one of those I heard from someone who heard from someone that works for them whose wife knows the Gaudreau's hahaha.
Word is she wants to be near family when they start to have the babies. Sounds like he's gone as well. Again, why cant this be on the table with Tre who can go to let's say Philly if thats the destination they want to go to & cut a deal. Gaudreau will want his $$$ & that 8th year keeps the cap hit under 10 mill where it wouldnt for 7 year deal. Get him resigned to that 8 year deal & trade him to Philly for JVR (makes the cap room for Philly, & then get them to add that 5th OA & if Tre were really on the ball get them to throw in Tippett. Then it would look like everyone wins.
- Kevin R

Why would the flyers pay that when they know they can wait a week and sign JH for money only? Last year the Oilers offered a 6th round pick for the rights to Hyman in advance of deadline day when they had a deal already worked out. Why would the Flyers offer up much more?