Yup! I agree man. You guys are not far at all in my opinion. Frankly a couple bounces here or there (including ref) and it’s a different ending. I do hate excuses so bottom line is it was a failure. But no way you need to blow up team and start again. Just a tweak here and there. If you need to move one of the 4 upfront then so be it - of not then great. I think a couple moves can be made to alter the look and play of this team without having to do something crazy…however moving one of the 2 polarizing guys in question would be a huge game changer for the unreal better!
- Big23Questions

I agree with all of this. I do so because I can't find the benefit in spending the summer obsessively posting on here about how (frank)ed we are and then watching every single game next season like a complete sucker.

Kiss 104.9 Vancouver's been playing killing in the name on repeat for 16 hours

Kiss 104.9 Vancouver's been playing killing in the name on repeat for 16 hours
- TheMussel

Oi, at least pick a better Rage song. I pick wake up. 👍

Oi, at least pick a better Rage song. I pick wake up. 👍
- joel878

This is the hill you're dying on?

How is it that our core apparently haven't "sucked" but we still cannnot win?
- fifty__missions

We actually made the playoffs with our core and had good seasons. They missed the playoffs and needed some changes.

This is the hill you're dying on?
- TheMussel

Valid.

lmfaooooooooo 🤣

edit: this was from a scabeh comment about remembering anniversaries that didn’t take when i tried to quote it👍🏿

edit: what a (frank)ing joke🤦‍♂️

edit: nice alliteration 👍🏿

We actually made the playoffs with our core and had good seasons. They missed the playoffs and needed some changes.
- Archaic

let’s not forget that “we” actually missed the playoffs year before last🤦‍♂️

same excuses as “our” most recent 5 ignominious exits: refs, experience, freddy, babs, refs, covid🤦🏿‍♂️

I’m still waiting😭

it’s alright though, i’ll pass my cross down to the younguns around me to bear until dufuss n queeb figure out how to keep busthews, willi, really(?) n pencil neck female dog together with a legit defense corpse and a starting goalie👍🏿

i hope that they enjoy the laff ride (as I did) when I’m gone👍

I agree with all of this. I do so because I can't find the benefit in spending the summer obsessively posting on here about how (frank)ed we are and then watching every single game next season like a complete sucker.
- joel878

But...if I don't spend the summer complaining about the Leafs, what am I going to do?

You're wasting your time. No amount of logic, reasoning or common sense will sway fifty from his view point. He hates Dubas and his view of high skill over goons and won't be satisfied until it's the broadstreet bullies. No matter the fact Sakic let their starter go and then traded a 1st and top prospect for Keumper, who lost the net to Francouz a bit this year, or that tom wilson didn't play for Colorado and they don't really have a player like him, which begs the question of why fifty is still adamant that you need him or a guy like him to win. (to him there's no other option)
- Aaron_85

I've told you and others to stop saying I "hate" Dubas.

I don't hate anyone. I just don't think he's done a very good job.

Stop it.

Btw, they have a player with some of Wilson's intangibles. His name is Nazem Kadri.

Colorado also traded two absolute core pieces - Matt Duschene, and Ryan O Reilly - during this process when the knew they had to do something to get better. Sakic was not afraid to change his core. They didn't just magically stop losing by running the same group back again and again.
- fifty__missions

Matt Duschene is no core piece for starters. Never made any team better.

Same category as PLD in my books. Great on paper until they hit the ice.

I've told you and others to stop saying I "hate" Dubas.

I don't hate anyone. I just don't think he's done a very good job.

Stop it.

Btw, they have a player with some of Wilson's intangibles. His name is Nazem Kadri.
- fifty__missions

No need for hate when your comments oozes negativity.
That sure gets the job done

But...if I don't spend the summer complaining about the Leafs, what am I going to do?
- Zezel

- dmnted

Love that song! I don't love my bicycle at the moment though cause I did a 175km 1300 meters vertical ride on Tuesday and it hurts to sit right now.

Kiss 104.9 Vancouver's been playing killing in the name on repeat for 16 hours
- TheMussel

Yeah but they are playing the flip you I won't do what you tell me version

And now you do what they toldja

Yeah but they are playing the flip you I won't do what you tell me version

And now you do they toldja
- Zezel

I remember CHUM’s Montreal station playing hours of the sound of waves crashing onto the beach. It seemed pretty cool at the time.

Mrazek wasn't a backup, he wasn't signed to be a backup. This is misrepresenting the facts to push your viewpoint.

A lot of teams with workhorses who actually have a backup found one on waivers, a cheap trade, or drafted with a mid round pick. Tampa had a legit backup and it was literally 37 year old Brian Elliot. It's not a difficult situation to fill, it's moot to the leafs cause they clearly don't plan on riding a starter to death.
- joel878

You are describing exactly how Kyle mismanaged the goaltending. You’ve made my point for me. They clearly wanted to see if JC had the royal jelly to be a #1. Why not sign one of these guys you’re talking about on a 1 year deal? Instead he totally kneecapped himself with the Mrazek contract. It just never made sense in that situation to give him 3 years at that $. You guys can defend Kyle all you want. But he has made a complete hash of the goaltending situation.

You are describing exactly how Kyle mismanaged the goaltending. You’ve made my point for me. They clearly wanted to see if JC had the royal jelly to be a #1. Why not sign one of these guys you’re talking about on a 1 year deal? Instead he totally kneecapped himself with the Mrazek contract. It just never made sense in that situation to give him 3 years at that $. You guys can defend Kyle all you want. But he has made a complete hash of the goaltending situation.
- fifty__missions

What they wanted was a 1a and 1b who would push each other for the net. Elliot and the others didn’t have any potential to fill that role. Mrazek did. It was a didn’t work out.

Oi, at least pick a better Rage song. I pick wake up. 👍
- joel878

My favourite Rage song is that one where he at the end of the song he yells the same criticism of the Leafs over and over

What they wanted was a 1a and 1b who would push each other for the net. Elliot and the others didn’t have any potential to fill that role. Mrazek did. It was a didn’t work out.
- Canada Cup

Yes I understand. But how can you commit to a 1a-1b scenario when you’ve not even fully evaluated, nor are locked in on your 1a?

It was poorly managed.

I get it - they need to move on now. But Kyle’s put himself in a pretty difficult position to try to improve the goaltending, as well as the rest of the roster.

I remember CHUM’s Montreal station playing hours of the sound of waves crashing onto the beach. It seemed pretty cool at the time.
- Canada Cup

I love that poop. I love the white noise programs on Spotify. My top Spotify track last year was Box Floor Fan. I also enjoy trees creaking in the wind, jet cabin sound, and skyscraper air conditioner.

I remember CHUM’s Montreal station playing hours of the sound of waves crashing onto the beach. It seemed pretty cool at the time.
- Canada Cup

I love that poop. My number on spotify track is a box fan

I love that poop. My number on spotify track is a box fan
- Zezel

I like the Pink Noise stuff on Spotify. I’ve got tinnitus, so it really helps for sleeping.

What they wanted was a 1a and 1b who would push each other for the net. Elliot and the others didn’t have any potential to fill that role. Mrazek did. It was a didn’t work out.
- Canada Cup

Btw, CC, how are you making out with Covid? I’m finally starting to feel more or less normal.

Yes I understand. But how can you commit to a 1a-1b scenario when you’ve not even fully evaluated, nor are locked in on your 1a?

It was poorly managed.

I get it - they need to move on now. But Kyle’s put himself in a pretty difficult position to try to improve the goaltending, as well as the rest of the roster.
- fifty__missions

to be fair, Mrazek had really good numbers up until this past season.. Getting Mrazek was a good idea in case Campbell couldn't be a full time starting goalie.. In the end, it didn't work out, but I still think it was a good plan at that time.. If they signed an Elliott or McElhinney and Campbell struggled, the Leafs could have been in a much worse position.

Not everything Dubas does works out, but I do like that he's constantly trying to do what's right for the team.