See at this point I’m tempted to hold him to the deadline and get something of value for him. I’m sure Seattle is willing to take him for nothing now just so they can do the exact same thing at the deadline. Let’s see how short sighted Chuck is with this one.
- hereticpride

what if trading him means we get JG

Why was Ellis the choice? Healthy he is better than Ekholm and he is right handed. I knew it last Summer so how difficult would it be for an NHL team to know it. Not a single team stepped up and bettered the Flyers offer of two young struggling players. One of which they immediately moved to another team.
- MJL

Now they are 2 struggling young players. Weren't saying that then as you were touting the upside of Myers and didn't like moving him. Immediately moved? You fraud.

Amazes me how you don't work for an NHL team in some capacity. Surely your dad can hook you up no?

Why was Ellis the choice? Healthy he is better than Ekholm and he is right handed. I knew it last Summer so how difficult would it be for an NHL team to know it. Not a single team stepped up and bettered the Flyers offer of two young struggling players. One of which they immediately moved to another team.
- MJL

Ellis was the obvious choice simply because they were projecting Carrier as his replacement. Carrier is a smallish RD like Ellis. Carrier outplayed Ellis by a wide margin in the series against the Canes. Ekholm was much harder to replace because of his size and durability.

Ellis was the obvious choice simply because they were projecting Carrier as his replacement. Carrier is a smallish RD like Ellis. Carrier outplayed Ellis by a wide margin in the series against the Canes. Ekholm was much harder to replace because of his size and durability.
- Minnyhock

I'm sure that played into it some but healthy, Ellis is a legit RH top pair defenseman. Teams don't normally look to give them away. Top pair RH defenseman are much tougher to come by than LH 2nd pair defenseman like Ekholm.

I'm sure that played into it some but healthy, Ellis is a legit RH top pair defenseman. Teams don't normally look to give them away. Top pair RH defenseman are much tougher to come by than LH 2nd pair defenseman like Ekholm.
- MJL

Right or wrong, they didn’t see Ellis as their 1st pair going forward. They saw Fabbro as the future 1st pair with Josi and Carrier as a 2nd pair. Or vise versa. But they wanted to give those guys the opportunity and clear out salary.They were gambling that those guys were ready and they saw Ellis in decline. Ellis was an absolute stud 4-5 years ago and was having a gradual descent. I would guess that they are as surprised as everyone else about how things have played out for Ryan.

Right or wrong, they didn’t see Ellis as their 1st pair going forward. They saw Fabbro as the future 1st pair with Josi and Carrier as a 2nd pair. Or vise versa. But they wanted to give those guys the opportunity and clear out salary.They were gambling that those guys were ready and they saw Ellis in decline. Ellis was an absolute stud 4-5 years ago and was having a gradual descent. I would guess that they are as surprised as everyone else about how things have played out for Ryan.
- Minnyhock

It helps that Nashville is a defenseman factory. I don't think anyone, myself included thought that Ellis would miss an entire season but I'm not surprised that he has injury issues. There is no doubt in my mind that Nashville wanted out of that contract and did not have faith that Ellis would stay healthy.

Here's an interesting article focusing on how long a rebuild should take. Worth the read.

https://www.tsn.ca/travis...hl-rebuild-take-1.1819611

It helps that Nashville is a defenseman factory. I don't think anyone, myself included thought that Ellis would miss an entire season but I'm not surprised that he has injury issues. There is no doubt in my mind that Nashville wanted out of that contract and did not have faith that Ellis would stay healthy.
- MJL

I think the Preds thought Fabbro and Carrier would grow into top 4 D men sooner than later. IMO Nashville wasn’t counting on Myers developing but were hopeful thinking the Flyers may have mishandled him. My guess is they expected Ellis to slowly decline and miss more games. Nothing like this though.

Now they are 2 struggling young players. Weren't saying that then as you were touting the upside of Myers and didn't like moving him. Immediately moved? You fraud.

Amazes me how you don't work for an NHL team in some capacity. Surely your dad can hook you up no?
- hello it's me 2050

Right!? Wasn’t MJL harping on how we were “giving up” on a guy like Myers and we shouldn’t have traded him? That it was a big mistake? Now all of a sudden he’s a struggling player who couldn’t even stay in the NHL… the flip-flopping is hilarious 😂

Here's an interesting article focusing on how long a rebuild should take. Worth the read.

https://www.tsn.ca/travis...hl-rebuild-take-1.1819611
- dubc55

As Bill Meltzer recently pointed out. Colorado's ascension to the Cup was a 13 year process.

Right!? Wasn’t MJL harping on how we were “giving up” on a guy like Myers and we shouldn’t have traded him? That it was a big mistake? Now all of a sudden he’s a struggling player who couldn’t even stay in the NHL… the flip-flopping is hilarious 😂
- anti-lame

You don't seem to have the capacity to understand that even a talented player with upside can struggle in his development. As if you can only be one or the other.



What's your other screen name?

As Bill Meltzer recently pointed out. Colorado's ascension to the Cup was a 13 year process.
- MJL

Yes, for Colorado. If you read the article, it goes beyond one team. Pretty interesting, relates pretty well to the Flyers.

Yes, for Colorado. If you read the article, it goes beyond one team. Pretty interesting, relates pretty well to the Flyers.
- dubc55

In my view, a GM would pretty much have to be almost perfect to do it in 5 years time. Closer to a 10 year process. The Flyers are trying to make it a 15 year or longer process.

So Johnny Hockey not communicating with the Flames at the moment, that is the rumor. JVR linked to SEA. Ellis to LTIR. Not writing it is going to happen or should happen. Heck, Newark is certainly possible.

So Johnny Hockey not communicating with the Flames at the moment, that is the rumor. JVR linked to SEA. Ellis to LTIR. Not writing it is going to happen or should happen. Heck, Newark is certainly possible.
- Trox88

Johnny Hockey is fine if you want to make the playoffs, but you ain't winning a Cup with him. I watched that series with Edmonton and when things ramped up physically he disappeared. Just like the Avs learned before they finally won the Cup. You can have lots of talent, but if you want to win the big prize you gotta lay it on the line physically.

Johnny Hockey is fine if you want to make the playoffs, but you ain't winning a Cup with him. I watched that series with Edmonton and when things ramped up physically he disappeared. Just like the Avs learned before they finally won the Cup. You can have lots of talent, but if you want to win the big prize you gotta lay it on the line physically.
- Phillywhiteout

I don't think the Flyers will be in for him. However, it would not surprise me if Fletcher goes for DeBrincat and offers 5th overall as part of the package. I know moving other assets would be needed.

what if trading him means we get JG
- 2Real

There are a ton of other needs to address before getting JG does anything besides making us marginally better imo.

Here's an interesting article focusing on how long a rebuild should take. Worth the read.

https://www.tsn.ca/travis...hl-rebuild-take-1.1819611
- dubc55

we've been rebuilding for what like 11 years now?

we've been rebuilding for what like 11 years now?
- 2Real

Eight.

Eight.
- bmeltzer

Diff is the Flyers are not rebuilding. So 8 years of treading water at best. Will be 8 more followed by another 8 and so on.

Until this franchise changes their philosophy and approach as well as adding quality management not a thing will change.

In my view, a GM would pretty much have to be almost perfect to do it in 5 years time. Closer to a 10 year process. The Flyers are trying to make it a 15 year or longer process.
- MJL

Each team situation is different. Total tear down start from scratch will obviously take longer. Also will depend on how competent your management team and GM are.

Each team situation is different. Total tear down start from scratch will obviously take longer. Also will depend on how competent your management team and GM are.
- furio16

Obviously. Doesn't the comment about a GM being perfect to get it done in 5 account for management competence?

Obviously. Doesn't the comment about a GM being perfect to get it done in 5 account for management competence?
- MJL

Don’t need to be perfect. No GM is or ever will be.

Diff is the Flyers are not rebuilding. So 8 years of treading water at best. Will be 8 more followed by another 8 and so on.

Until this franchise changes their philosophy and approach as well as adding quality management not a thing will change.
- furio16

This. The front office has never committed to a rebuild and now that G is gone we’re left here standing pissing in the wind. No top offensive weapons. No top D man. Now we’re probably going to overpay Gaudreau and draft a 200ft player over BPA to tread water yet again.

Don’t need to be perfect. No GM is or ever will be.
- furio16

You're missing the point.