You're missing the point.
- MJL

No I am not. Don’t agree with you is all. Doesn’t have to be 5 years to turn a team around into as contender.

Johnny Hockey is fine if you want to make the playoffs, but you ain't winning a Cup with him. I watched that series with Edmonton and when things ramped up physically he disappeared. Just like the Avs learned before they finally won the Cup. You can have lots of talent, but if you want to win the big prize you gotta lay it on the line physically.
- Phillywhiteout

He didnt get Calgary over the hump. What will he do wit these sad sack losers?

Now they are 2 struggling young players. Weren't saying that then as you were touting the upside of Myers and didn't like moving him. Immediately moved? You fraud.

Amazes me how you don't work for an NHL team in some capacity. Surely your dad can hook you up no?
- hello it's me 2050

Fraud? Somehow fans expressing their thoughts and opinions on a hockey message board and being wrong from time to time makes him or anyone else a fraud? Chuck traded a young player struggling or not for a player who has a cap hit of 6 million dollars and can’t stay healthy. That’s a bad deal. Nashville was smart enough to at least flip Patrick for another young player, which is what we should have done to begin with. You yourself with your flip flop arguments stated that this organization was awful and have been for along time, so why exactly are you fighting the Ellis trade?

This. The front office has never committed to a rebuild and now that G is gone we’re left here standing pissing in the wind. No top offensive weapons. No top D man. Now we’re probably going to overpay Gaudreau and draft a 200ft player over BPA to tread water yet again.
- hereticpride

Logan Cooley is a 200 ft player. So are we passing on him if he falls to 5?

Fraud? Somehow fans expressing their thoughts and opinions on a hockey message board and being wrong from time to time makes him or anyone else a fraud? Chuck traded a young player struggling or not for a player who has a cap hit of 6 million dollars and can’t stay healthy. That’s a bad deal. Nashville was smart enough to at least flip Patrick for another young player, which is what we should have done to begin with. You yourself with your flip flop arguments stated that this organization was awful and have been for along time, so why exactly are you fighting the Ellis trade?
- SuperSchennBros

How about Drummond going to the Bulls?

Right!? Wasn’t MJL harping on how we were “giving up” on a guy like Myers and we shouldn’t have traded him? That it was a big mistake? Now all of a sudden he’s a struggling player who couldn’t even stay in the NHL… the flip-flopping is hilarious 😂
- anti-lame

Welcome to the HB flyers board. Have a great weekend.

No I am not. Don’t agree with you is all. Doesn’t have to be 5 years to turn a team around into as contender.
- furio16

This reinforces that you've missed the point.

Logan Cooley is a 200 ft player. So are we passing on him if he falls to 5?
- J35Bacher

Cooley is a complete player. You know what I mean.

He didnt get Calgary over the hump. What will he do wit these sad sack losers?
- hello it's me 2050

You could add McDavid and Hedman to this roster and we’d still be poop. Overpaying Gaudreau makes no sense but sadly I feel like it’s almost a forgone conclusion we bring him in.

This reinforces that you've missed the point.
- MJL

You tell him Cliff. Another person who is inferior to the almighty.

Any plans for the weekend or will you be killing the keyboards Friday and Saturday night?

You could add McDavid and Hedman to this roster and we’d still be poop. Overpaying Gaudreau makes no sense but sadly I feel like it’s almost a forgone conclusion we bring him in.
- hereticpride

point is he will not come close to producing here to what he did I Calgary.

I firmly believe JG and his agents are smarter than that to want to come here. Unless it is by millions per year. He knows what happens at the end of the day in terms of being the scapegoat and whipping boy.

Obviously. Doesn't the comment about a GM being perfect to get it done in 5 account for management competence?
- MJL

So its Fletcher's incompetence that Farabee needs neck surgery, Couturier needed back surgery, Ellis is out for the season, Hayes needed 3 abdominal surgeries, Covid shut down the league when the Flyers were hitting on all cylinders, AV who had a long track record of successfully coaching teams completely lost the team in just over 2 seasons, etc, etc? You can surely second guess some of Fletcher's trades, like Risto, and free agent signings, like Yandle. You can even second guess giving Hayes a 7 year deal which I also think was a bad move even though when healthy Hayes is a very good player. You can even argue that getting Ellis was a bad move given what we know now. But you cannot say that this team is as bad as their record has been over the past seasons without factoring in all the circumstances. Thus calling the GM incompetent is pure nonsense.

You tell him Cliff. Another person who is inferior to the almighty.

Any plans for the weekend or will you be killing the keyboards Friday and Saturday night?
- hello it's me 2050

Just another poster with a series of not well thought out posts ...

So its Fletcher's incompetence that Farabee needs neck surgery, Couturier needed back surgery, Ellis is out for the season, Hayes needed 3 abdominal surgeries, Covid shut down the league when the Flyers were hitting on all cylinders, AV who had a long track record of successfully coaching teams completely lost the team in just over 2 seasons, etc, etc? You can surely second guess some of Fletcher's trades, like Risto, and free agent signings, like Yandle. You can even second guess giving Hayes a 7 year deal which I also think was a bad move even though when healthy Hayes is a very good player. You can even argue that getting Ellis was a bad move given what we know now. But you cannot say that this team is as bad as their record has been over the past seasons without factoring in all the circumstances. Thus calling the GM incompetent is pure nonsense.
- jd250

Well you defending the GM is pure nonsense. He has done a piss poor job in pretty much every aspect. That cant be denied. Tired of the excuses.

I can say they are bad as they are just not a good team that lacks talent. I do not care who the coach is at this point as unless the majority of players are moved at the end of the day the result will be the same more or less. This is not a winning bunch in any way. There are hockey trades to be made. Sadly no faith in Chuck executing these trades.

So its Fletcher's incompetence that Farabee needs neck surgery, Couturier needed back surgery, Ellis is out for the season, Hayes needed 3 abdominal surgeries, Covid shut down the league when the Flyers were hitting on all cylinders, AV who had a long track record of successfully coaching teams completely lost the team in just over 2 seasons, etc, etc? You can surely second guess some of Fletcher's trades, like Risto, and free agent signings, like Yandle. You can even second guess giving Hayes a 7 year deal which I also think was a bad move even though when healthy Hayes is a very good player. You can even argue that getting Ellis was a bad move given what we know now. But you cannot say that this team is as bad as their record has been over the past seasons without factoring in all the circumstances. Thus calling the GM incompetent is pure nonsense.
- jd250

Are you at all following the conversation? Obviously not. It was not about Fletcher. Try and catch up.

If you want to talk about the above. The injuries temporarily saved Fletcher and the organization from their own incompetence. If it wasn't for those injuries, it is unlikely that the Flyers would have the 5th overall pick and a good chance to get a top player. If it wasn't for the injures, the Flyers would likely have been a bubble team picking middle round and a far less likely chance of getting a top player.

Fletcher has this team positioned as a capped out team that is mediocre. He has made numerous poor moves. Aging the team and giving away assets. Fletcher and the Flyers organization as a whole are completely incompetent. The injuries have bailed him out. You still don't get that.

Lighting ink Nick Paul to 7yr/21mil contract. Pretty ridiculous term.

Are you at all following the conversation? Obviously not. It was not about Fletcher. Try and catch up.

If you want to talk about the above. The injuries temporarily saved Fletcher and the organization from their own incompetence. If it wasn't for those injuries, it is unlikely that the Flyers would have the 5th overall pick and a good chance to get a top player. If it wasn't for the injures, the Flyers would likely have been a bubble team picking middle round and a far less likely chance of getting a top player.

Fletcher has this team positioned as a capped out team that is mediocre. He has made numerous poor moves. Aging the team and giving away assets. Fletcher and the Flyers organization as a whole are completely incompetent. The injuries have bailed him out. You still don't get that.
- MJL

Hasn't really aged the team Cliff.

Any trade he makes you will complain about giving away assets if picks are involved. You over value draft picks.

So its Fletcher's incompetence that Farabee needs neck surgery, Couturier needed back surgery, Ellis is out for the season, Hayes needed 3 abdominal surgeries, Covid shut down the league when the Flyers were hitting on all cylinders, AV who had a long track record of successfully coaching teams completely lost the team in just over 2 seasons, etc, etc? You can surely second guess some of Fletcher's trades, like Risto, and free agent signings, like Yandle. You can even second guess giving Hayes a 7 year deal which I also think was a bad move even though when healthy Hayes is a very good player. You can even argue that getting Ellis was a bad move given what we know now. But you cannot say that this team is as bad as their record has been over the past seasons without factoring in all the circumstances. Thus calling the GM incompetent is pure nonsense.
- jd250

Lighting ink Nick Paul to 7yr/21mil contract. Pretty ridiculous term.
- dubc55

It's gambling that the player will stay a good role player. Trying to manage the cap.

https://twitter.com/ARHoc...5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

make it happen Chuck. Make my weekend.

You tell him Cliff. Another person who is inferior to the almighty.

Any plans for the weekend or will you be killing the keyboards Friday and Saturday night?
- hello it's me 2050

Hey Skippy, why don't you and Cliff just screw already? It'll cut the tension and you can even let jd250 watch. So much SDE.

Hey Skippy, why don't you and Cliff just screw already? It'll cut the tension and you can even let jd250 watch. So much SDE.
- jxt216

What tension?

Skippy, I love when you talk dirty.

Obviously. Doesn't the comment about a GM being perfect to get it done in 5 account for management competence?
- MJL

A 5 year complete rebuild to win the cup would be pretty crazy. In the article it shows teams can start competing for the cup by making the playoffs at the 5 year point of the rebuild. A decent percentage of teams are placing top 5 in the standings at the 5 year mark.

So 8-10 years into the Flyers rebuild (if looking at how other teams generally perform 5 years in) the Flyers are significantly behind in this process.

https://twitter.com/ARHockeyStats/status/1542861473193623554?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1542861473193623554%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

make it happen Chuck. Make my weekend.
- hello it's me 2050

Lol. I really shouldn’t be surprised but the Flyers love to carry a useless punching bag.

A 5 year complete rebuild to win the cup would be pretty crazy. In the article it shows teams can start competing for the cup by making the playoffs at the 5 year point of the rebuild. A decent percentage of teams are placing top 5 in the standings at the 5 year mark.

So 8-10 years into the Flyers rebuild (if looking at how other teams generally perform 5 years in) the Flyers are significantly behind in this process.
- dubc55

Flyers never truly started a rebuild so to say we’re in year 8-10 is idiotic. For every Richards, Carter, Simmonds, Jake, G we moved we brought in Jagr, Vinny, AMac, JVR, Hayes, Atkinson etc