Right now, yes I would waste the prime years of Couturier. I would focus on drafting and developing. I would not be averse to moving picks for young quality players. I would not be averse to adding short term low cost to acquire vets to help now. I would not be making moves for older players in an attempt to win now.


Now if you can show me where I have ever stated that the Flyers should trade almost every veteran or that I stated that's what Hextalll did, so I am now contradicting myself. I'd be happy to read that.

Again, you are inventing your own fantasy reality.
- MJL

Well you and Chuck have a lot in common.

Drafting and development. Your go to phrase.

He was a 2nd pair defenseman when Ellis was there.
- MJL

Last season they were together Ellis averaged 19:04 at ES and Ekholm averaged 18:40.

Ekholm had 20 ESP in 48 games, while Ellis had 14 in 35 games.

Last season they were together Ellis averaged 19:04 at ES and Ekholm averaged 18:40.

Ekholm had 20 ESP in 48 games, while Ellis had 14 in 35 games.
- Feanor

Last season, Travis Sanheim led all Flyers defenseman in ES ice time per game while playing on the 2nd pairing. It's not uncommon on a team for a 2nd pairing defenseman to have high ES ice time. Ekholm's ice time was also elevated due to Ellis missing games. When Ellis was there, Ekholm was a 2nd pair defenseman.

I think if healthy this team right now could win a playoff series, I really do. The problem is they are not healthy and there is really no light at the end of the tunnel right now in that regard. This team and franchise as a whole has had the worst injury luck I have ever witnessed, its really crazy. Now Farabee gets Eichel like disc replacement as a consequence of doing a light workout? You can't begin to even make this up!
- jd250

I think you are missing that G is gone and they have not replaced him, he was their top end

Last season, Travis Sanheim led all Flyers defenseman in ES ice time per game while playing on the 2nd pairing. It's not uncommon on a team for a 2nd pairing defenseman to have high ES ice time. Ekholm's ice time was also elevated due to Ellis missing games. When Ellis was there, Ekholm was a 2nd pair defenseman.
- MJL

In 18-19 when Ellis played 82 games he averaged 19:15 at ES. Ekholm averaged 19:46 in 80 games. He's played as much and been as good as Ellis for several years.

When a player like Sanheim leads the defense in ES TOI and and in ES scoring (by a large margin) it's pretty silly to label them 2nd pairing.

In 18-19 when Ellis played 82 games he averaged 19:15 at ES. Ekholm averaged 19:46 in 80 games. He's played as much and been as good as Ellis for several years.

When a player like Sanheim leads the defense in ES TOI and and in ES scoring (by a large margin) it's pretty silly to label them 2nd pairing.
- Feanor

Did Provorov play on the Flyers top pairing last year or did Sanheim and Ristolainen?

I strongly disagree that Ekholm is as good as Ellis is when he is healthy.

Did Provorov play on the Flyers top pairing last year or did Sanheim and Ristolainen?

I strongly disagree that Ekholm is as good as Ellis is when he is healthy.
- MJL

Did Braun play on the Flyers top pairing last year, or did Sanheim?

Ekholm is just as good as Ellis, but more durable. That's why Nashville gave him the contract they did.

Did Braun play on the Flyers top pairing last year, or did Sanheim?

Ekholm is just as good as Ellis, but more durable. That's why Nashville gave him the contract they did.
- Feanor

Braun did for a time but we both know he is not a top pair defenseman. Ellis significantly better than Ekholm when healthy in my opinion. Nashville gave Ellis an 8 year 6.25M a year contract.

we've been rebuilding for what like 11 years now?
- 2Real

Eight.
- bmeltzer

- Bendecko

Hilarious