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spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 2 @ 4:56 PM ET
On this I agree with you. What could possibly be the problem?
- Whatisavailable


If it is an off ice issue that is something else but normally coaches don't care about off ice matters. They keep their focus on what is going on with the team on the ice. The only thing that coaches can do to show their affection (or disaffection) is how he gives out ice time.

Based on what we saw last year, especially in the second half, Smith rewarded Formenton with lots of ice time and often in tough game situations. Formenton responded by scoring 18 goals and had an all around solid year.

I would be okay if the Sens were trading Formenton in a package for hard top 6 player (Mathew Tkachuk, Pierre Luc Dubois or, even Evander Kane. But it seems to be a backward step to move him for a player who does not play a hard game.
Cup 06
Ottawa Senators
Location: Tkachuk Town, ON
Joined: 03.01.2006

Jul 2 @ 5:09 PM ET
Sens are prepping for Giroux. They are willing to go up to 4 years. They think the signing will really excite the fanbase. Other targets are Ryan Strome,Rakell, and Marchment.

Like Garrioch mentioned this week. They are hoping to close the chapter on Zaitsev before the draft. They don't have the leverage there.

The Sens do NOT know if Formentum or Batherson are deeply involved in the HC case. Any speculation otherwise would be wholly irresponsible.

Formentum is being used as a trade piece. He has good value to retuen a more "finished"player. DJ has frustrations with him but understands he's young with really great potential. He doesn't dislike him.

Debrincat option is not closed but Chicago has to play ball. Their expectations are pretty unrealistic. Teams will have an issue with the 9m qualifying offer, not just Ottawa.


Sens are attaching Murray to the 7th pick if teams really want to get it.



spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 2 @ 5:30 PM ET
Sens are prepping for Giroux. They are willing to go up to 4 years. They think the signing will really excite the fanbase. Other targets are Ryan Strome,Rakell, and Marchment.

Like Garrioch mentioned this week. They are hoping to close the chapter on Zaitsev before the draft. They don't have the leverage there.

The Sens do NOT know if Formentum or Batherson are deeply involved in the HC case. Any speculation otherwise would be wholly irresponsible.

Formentum is being used as a trade piece. He has good value to retuen a more "finished"player. DJ has frustrations with him but understands he's young with really great potential. He doesn't dislike him.

Debrincat option is not closed but Chicago has to play ball. Their expectations are pretty unrealistic. Teams will have an issue with the 9m qualifying offer, not just Ottawa.


Sens are attaching Murray to the 7th pick if teams really want to get it.

- Cup 06


Be a huge negative backlash from fans if they sign Giroux. He does not have very good size and he has lost a step. His game is on a fast downward spiral and it would be a horrible message to the fan base to bring in an aged veteran into a dressing room where the fans are hoping that the kids are about to surge.

This is not as dumb as the Leafs signing John Tavares...it is dumber!
Whatisavailable
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 08.20.2021

Jul 2 @ 5:57 PM ET
Sens are prepping for Giroux. They are willing to go up to 4 years. They think the signing will really excite the fanbase. Other targets are Ryan Strome,Rakell, and Marchment.

Like Garrioch mentioned this week. They are hoping to close the chapter on Zaitsev before the draft. They don't have the leverage there.

The Sens do NOT know if Formentum or Batherson are deeply involved in the HC case. Any speculation otherwise would be wholly irresponsible.

Formentum is being used as a trade piece. He has good value to retuen a more "finished"player. DJ has frustrations with him but understands he's young with really great potential. He doesn't dislike him.

Debrincat option is not closed but Chicago has to play ball. Their expectations are pretty unrealistic. Teams will have an issue with the 9m qualifying offer, not just Ottawa.


Sens are attaching Murray to the 7th pick if teams really want to get it.

- Cup 06

Dorion wouldn't leave it at that because giving away a number 7 pick to unload the stupid contract you handed out would not be a good look. No he would add good assets to the deal and take back an even worse contract than the one he gave Murray and two years from now give away more assets to get rid of that deal or lose good players because there's no money to sign them. How to destroy a franchise 101.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 2 @ 6:28 PM ET
Dorion wouldn't leave it at that because giving away a number 7 pick to unload the stupid contract you handed out would not be a good look. No he would add good assets to the deal and take back an even worse contract than the one he gave Murray and two years from now give away more assets to get rid of that deal or lose good players because there's no money to sign them. How to destroy a franchise 101.
- Whatisavailable


We will see. As you know I believe most of the crazy making came out of the ego driven rants of Melnyk. We will know by the end of this week if the culture has changed. Truth is nobody knows what is going to happen.

I am open to cheering if Dorion can hit a home run.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 2 @ 6:45 PM ET
Speculation is that Vancouver will choose to move JT Miller. Not bad in terms of age (29), great size, plays the body. One year left on a reasonable contract. He is close to a point a game player over the last few years. Far more appealing to me than Giroux.
Crosside
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 08.14.2019

Jul 2 @ 7:00 PM ET
Speculation is that Vancouver will choose to move JT Miller. Not bad in terms of age (29), great size, plays the body. One year left on a reasonable contract. He is close to a point a game player over the last few years. Far more appealing to me than Giroux.
- spatso

The cost for Miller to acquire is high. Giroux is free and just for 3 or 4 years
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 2 @ 7:24 PM ET
The cost for Miller to acquire is high. Giroux is free and just for 3 or 4 years
- Crosside



Nothing is free.

I am not hostile to Giroux as a player or as a person. I just don't think he is a top 6 fit on this team. It seems crazy to me that you would trade out Conner Brown and sign Claude Giroux.
PuckPix
Joined: 01.12.2021

Jul 2 @ 7:35 PM ET
Nothing is free.

I am not hostile to Giroux as a player or as a person. I just don't think he is a top 6 fit on this team. It seems crazy to me that you would trade out Conner Brown and sign Claude Giroux.

- spatso


I'm trying to keep up with the convo. So without replying to each person here on this topic, as a bettor, who plays player props a lot, if anyone saw by Stanely Cup blogs where I would play 10-12 player props, my question to all the Sens fans is who would you take off the number PP unit if you acquired Keller or signed Giroux? Chabot, Tkachuk, Batherson, Norris and Stutzle. We all know the 2nd PP unit on any team gets 30 seconds or so compared to the major of PP icetime. Dorion your GM needs to be careful on this one, personally, I just don't ever understand the majority of what your GM does when it comes to signings, trades, anything hockey related.
PuckPix
Joined: 01.12.2021

Jul 2 @ 7:37 PM ET
Sens are prepping for Giroux. They are willing to go up to 4 years. They think the signing will really excite the fanbase. Other targets are Ryan Strome,Rakell, and Marchment.

Like Garrioch mentioned this week. They are hoping to close the chapter on Zaitsev before the draft. They don't have the leverage there.

The Sens do NOT know if Formentum or Batherson are deeply involved in the HC case. Any speculation otherwise would be wholly irresponsible.

Formentum is being used as a trade piece. He has good value to retuen a more "finished"player. DJ has frustrations with him but understands he's young with really great potential. He doesn't dislike him.

Debrincat option is not closed but Chicago has to play ball. Their expectations are pretty unrealistic. Teams will have an issue with the 9m qualifying offer, not just Ottawa.


Sens are attaching Murray to the 7th pick if teams really want to get it.

- Cup 06


Kevin mentioned Marchment in a blog 2 months ago, that Ottawa was possibly targettig Marchment in Florida, long before any reporter did. Rakell would struggle wit the speed of the Sens young guns. Ryan Strome, this guy is so overrated and so ineffective, I don't get why anyone would pay large dollars, he is small and not physical.
Mithos
Joined: 04.14.2021

Jul 2 @ 7:42 PM ET
Kevin mentioned Marchment in a blog 2 months ago, that Ottawa was possibly targettig Marchment in Florida, long before any reporter did. Rakell would struggle wit the speed of the Sens young guns. Ryan Strome, this guy is so overrated and so ineffective, I don't get why anyone would pay large dollars, he is small and not physical.
- PuckPix


marchment sounds like a guy Dorion would give 6-7M for 6-7 years

27 Yo, never played a full season only played in 3 seasons total of 91 games at 27 YO) just had a career year on the best regular season team in the NHL
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 2 @ 7:55 PM ET
I just don't understand some these minor names or older guys that are being floated. Makes no sense to give up on a Formenton or Connor Brown for someone with less speed or net drive.

Doing nothing is, in fact, a conscious decision to do something. I choose to stick with what I have. I would prefer for the Sens to sick with what they have rather than go with some of the cheesy ideas floating around the edges.

Go big or just stay home.

Cup 06
Ottawa Senators
Location: Tkachuk Town, ON
Joined: 03.01.2006

Jul 2 @ 8:02 PM ET
Dorion wouldn't leave it at that because giving away a number 7 pick to unload the stupid contract you handed out would not be a good look. No he would add good assets to the deal and take back an even worse contract than the one he gave Murray and two years from now give away more assets to get rid of that deal or lose good players because there's no money to sign them. How to destroy a franchise 101.
- Whatisavailable



Sorry if I wasn’t clear enough. It would be similar to when the Sabres traded for Lehner from the Sens and had to take Legwand. Murray would be a caveat and not a hinderance on the return.
Cup 06
Ottawa Senators
Location: Tkachuk Town, ON
Joined: 03.01.2006

Jul 2 @ 8:03 PM ET
Speculation is that Vancouver will choose to move JT Miller. Not bad in terms of age (29), great size, plays the body. One year left on a reasonable contract. He is close to a point a game player over the last few years. Far more appealing to me than Giroux.
- spatso


He likely wouldn’t sign with the Sens and will be looking for 8.5- 10 on a new contract.
Cup 06
Ottawa Senators
Location: Tkachuk Town, ON
Joined: 03.01.2006

Jul 2 @ 8:07 PM ET
Nothing is free.

I am not hostile to Giroux as a player or as a person. I just don't think he is a top 6 fit on this team. It seems crazy to me that you would trade out Conner Brown and sign Claude Giroux.

- spatso


Giroux would add experience and high hockey IQ. He gives DJ more options. He could play with Tkachuk/Norris and that allows Bath to play with Timmy or he can play with Timmy. We saw that players had a hard time playing with Timmy, mostly because they were not smart enough.

If there is an injury at Center he can shift there if necessary.
Cup 06
Ottawa Senators
Location: Tkachuk Town, ON
Joined: 03.01.2006

Jul 2 @ 8:08 PM ET
marchment sounds like a guy Dorion would give 6-7M for 6-7 years

27 Yo, never played a full season only played in 3 seasons total of 91 games at 27 YO) just had a career year on the best regular season team in the NHL

- Mithos

Why? When has Dorion dolled out a deal like that before?
LawyerSens4Life
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 03.23.2022

Jul 2 @ 8:23 PM ET
Any insight into Formenton/Batherson and the world jr scandal?
More and more guys are coming out and clearing themselves. It’s down to 15 on the team that have not commented. Batherson deleted all his instagram photos of the event recently.

- TurdFergeson


Stay away, stay far away from saying anything, but I think you already know that.
LawyerSens4Life
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 03.23.2022

Jul 2 @ 8:24 PM ET
JT Miller would be a great addition to Ottawa. Excellent player, who provides point production a bit of nastiness and quality veteran leadership.
- Reubenkincade


True but not what he will demand on a contract, then it won't age well in years 3-6. Easy pass, big no for me.
Crosside
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 08.14.2019

Jul 2 @ 8:44 PM ET
Good blog Kevin, one of your best in the last couple months. This is the Kevin I prefer 👍
Trilla
Ottawa Senators
Location: ON
Joined: 06.02.2013

Jul 2 @ 9:48 PM ET
No to Necas.

Yes to Trocheck.
Trilla
Ottawa Senators
Location: ON
Joined: 06.02.2013

Jul 2 @ 10:44 PM ET
Giroux would add experience and high hockey IQ. He gives DJ more options. He could play with Tkachuk/Norris and that allows Bath to play with Timmy or he can play with Timmy. We saw that players had a hard time playing with Timmy, mostly because they were not smart enough.

If there is an injury at Center he can shift there if necessary.

- Cup 06


I actually really like Giroux. Vet Center that could play the RW. He’d compliment the top 6.

Don’t think he’d be interested though in playing for a bubble team. At this point you’d assume he’s cup chasing.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 3 @ 7:07 AM ET
In order to have a sellers' market you need demand, more buyers than sellers. In a buyers' market the unsold goods get delayed and prices come down. Elliott Friedman in 32 thoughts provides a list of 14 teams that are right now facing cap overages. Some still have players to sign and resign. Notice the list does not include teams like Calgary, Winnipeg, St. Louis, NY Rangers and even San Jose that will be pushed even harder against the cap just to complete their opening night line ups.

This is why it is so important for the Sens to be patient and try and hit a home run this summer. Or, choose to do nothing. Next year the noose around the neck on some of these teams will be even tighter.

CAP OVERAGES

Websites like CapFriendly and PuckPedia do a lot of this legwork, but teams were officially informed of all overages this week. The cap is $82.5 million, but for some clubs it will be less than that due to performance bonuses.

Here are those 14 teams, and how much they are affected:

Vancouver: $1.25 million

Montreal: $1,132,500

St. Louis: $1.1 million

Edmonton: $896,000

Dallas: $675,000

Florida and Los Angeles: $637,500

Philadelphia: $295,000

Islanders: $245,795

Chicago: $237,500

Toronto: $212,500

Carolina: $112,500

Washington: $100,000

Colorado: $25,000
Helm
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 06.19.2018

Jul 3 @ 1:15 PM ET
To Detroit: Ott 2022 second and 2023 third pics

To Ott: we get to borrow Steevy Y for the next two months.
spazzbot
Location: Maple Zombie
Joined: 02.14.2013

Jul 3 @ 4:29 PM ET
I very much agree of upgrades are needed to propel the team

L.a was in a fairly weak division last season and the west overall is weaker now.

Worst case scenario for the Sens, they do nothing. Out of the playoffs by Jan. And the lebreton deal collapses in Jan. It would be a disaster almost beyond fixing.



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sens4life1971
Ottawa Senators
Location: smiths falls, ON
Joined: 02.16.2014

Jul 3 @ 4:34 PM ET
Be a huge negative backlash from fans if they sign Giroux. He does not have very good size and he has lost a step. His game is on a fast downward spiral and it would be a horrible message to the fan base to bring in an aged veteran into a dressing room where the fans are hoping that the kids are about to surge.

This is not as dumb as the Leafs signing John Tavares...it is dumber!

- spatso


I think Giroux would be the perfect mentor for Stutzle.. I don’t get why ya think his game is on a downward spiral fast lol .. He scored 65pts in 75games that sir is a top 6 player lol
Plus what is Stutzle weakest part of his game it’s his face off.. Giroux is like 60% on the dot he can teach Jimmy Stu and Norris a few tricks 🤷‍♂️
Yes he’s 34 but we’re not giving him 7yrs
Maybe he’ll take a hometown discount to be with family and friends more
Say 4x6million or 3x6 🤷‍♂️
Found this too
He leads the NHL in faceoffs taken (1,051) and won (566) while also having a 53.6 faceoff percentage. Giroux leads all NHL players in faceoff wins on the road (279), at home (287) and on the power play (113). He also ranks fourth in short-handed faceoff wins (69).
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