Undrafted Myers nobody's stud dman. Just a low cost roll of the dice on some decent physical skills but no hockey IQ. Never grew into his position imho.
- biggbear77

To be fair, he had that big developmental leap in his D+1 season, played top pair for Team Canada at the WJC (til an injury on a questionable hit from Kunin) and was called a fast-track NHL player by McKenzie. Scouts leaguewide were high on him right up through 2019-20. But he's still making all the same mistakes -- on both sides of the puck -- and his stock plummeted for the reason you state: he hasn't demonstrated an ability to think the game at an NHL level. He relies entirely on his athleticism and ranginess.

I think the Flyers should try to find out what it would cost to get Kirby Dach. He’s an RFA with a slow start in his career but I think he has breakout potential in the next few years.
- Minnyhock

This is what a good GM would do. Look into undervalued or other teams Morgan Frost types. Assuming the cost is reasonable.

Wonder if Buffalo would have interest in TK?

TK + Fla 2024 1st + 2023 3rd + JOB rights
- Bayareaflyer

TK makes no sense for the Hawks.

That has always been the achilles heel of the Flyers, drafting higher in the 1st round always seems to be in a "weak" draft. So they ALWAYS go with who they are suppose to...

The problem is that doesn't work out too well for them since the majority of the time quite a few players that get drafted after they pick tend to turn out to be some gems.

2012 was considered a "weak" draft and still is, but...

5) Morgan Rielly
6) Hampus Lindholm
9) Jacob Trouba
11) Filip Forsberg
16) Tom Wilson
17) Tomas Hertl
18) Teuvo Teravainen
19) Andrei Vasilevskiy

So people can keep riding that "weak" draft train, but all I know is, at least during the modern salary cap era, there hasn't been a 1st round where some stars or some really good players haven't come out of it. Sure the chances of a team hitting a mega superstar is low, but I would still be happy getting a David Pastrnak or Dylan Larkin.
- Glak18

All good players but tell me which player on that list is a player that you build your team around. Dylan Larkin is a nice player but he isn't what they need. What's missing from your equation is how many players the level of Pasternak are drafted in the top 5? Most of them. What makes you think the Flyers will be "luckier" drafting later than earlier? I'll take my chances in the top 5. That's the smart thing to do. That's the percentage play.

To be fair, he had that big developmental leap in his D+1 season, played top pair for Team Canada at the WJC (til an injury on a questionable hit from Kunin) and was called a fast-track NHL player by McKenzie. Scouts leaguewide were high on him right up through 2019-20. But he's still making all the same mistakes -- on both sides of the puck -- and his stock plummeted for the reason you state: he hasn't demonstrated an ability to think the game at an NHL level. He relies entirely on his athleticism and ranginess.
- bmeltzer

His ability to think the game was fine until the 20/21 NHL season. You don't catch that like a virus. The environment and responsibility he was given prematurely did that to him.

We all know why they will go after debrincat. Not a hockey decision but a comcast decision. They need a new star. I wouldn’t worry about resigning, they will throw the kitchen sink.

Agree with MJL. Would not trade back in this draft. After top 8 or 9 it is just throwing darts. The #5 pick in this draft is a chance at a very good player. Stay put at 5.

To be fair, he had that big developmental leap in his D+1 season, played top pair for Team Canada at the WJC (til an injury on a questionable hit from Kunin) and was called a fast-track NHL player by McKenzie. Scouts leaguewide were high on him right up through 2019-20. But he's still making all the same mistakes -- on both sides of the puck -- and his stock plummeted for the reason you state: he hasn't demonstrated an ability to think the game at an NHL level. He relies entirely on his athleticism and ranginess.
- bmeltzer

If Malkin becomes a free agent do you see the Flyers having any serious interest?

Agree with MJL. Would not trade back in this draft. After top 8 or 9 it is just throwing darts. The #5 pick in this draft is a chance at a very good player. Stay put at 5.
- peesinwind

For me it depends on what is available at 5. If the Flyers luck into Cooley or can get a top RHD like Jiricek or Nemec, then absolutely nobody should be unhappy. Just make the pick. It gets more questionable to me with the wingers. If that happens I have to think if they drop only a few spots (still 7-12), they can get a top forward and a project at RHD or center.

We all know why they will go after debrincat. Not a hockey decision but a comcast decision. They need a new star. I wouldn’t worry about resigning, they will throw the kitchen sink.
- PhillaBully

The logic here is flawless... to sell tix and have new faces on the promos..

I think in the ancient days of the AHL in the 50's or 60's Eddie Shore was signing good looking young players to attract female fans to Springfield..Might have been an Italian guy or two

I was not there, read it in a book...

Agree with MJL. Would not trade back in this draft. After top 8 or 9 it is just throwing darts. The #5 pick in this draft is a chance at a very good player. Stay put at 5.
- peesinwind

At pick 5 you have your choice of anyone in the draft except the four players already selected. Simple. I do agree that the Flyers have a tendency to draft who they're “suppose to” draft. They never seem to miss on Bob McKenzie’s draft board. The last time I saw a real risk in selection by a team that went away from who was suppose to be number 1 was Colorado in the 2013 draft by selecting Nathan MacKinnon over Seth Jones who was overwhelmingly projected to go number 1 ahead of everyone. What’s funny about that draft is Steve Yzerman as Tampa Bay’s GM selected Jonathan Drouin at 3 one selection ahead of Seth Jones. Tampa was the model idea of what drafting well looks like and dropped the ball huge there.

Even great drafting teams can miss in the first round with a top five pick. It’s weird how this never comes up by anyone.

All good players but tell me which player on that list is a player that you build your team around. Dylan Larkin is a nice player but he isn't what they need. What's missing from your equation is how many players the level of Pasternak are drafted in the top 5? Most of them. What makes you think the Flyers will be "luckier" drafting later than earlier? I'll take my chances in the top 5. That's the smart thing to do. That's the percentage play.
- MJL

I think where we disagree is...

You believe the Flyers will get a build around player in the top 5. If they were picking top 3 I would agree, but the top 2 defensemen and everything else after Wright, Cooley and Slafkovsky is just the next tier.

I could easily see #12 or #15 ending up being the best player in the draft this year 2-3 years later.

I think where we disagree is...

You believe the Flyers will get a build around player in the top 5. If they were picking top 3 I would agree, but the top 2 defensemen and everything else after Wright, Cooley and Slafkovsky is just the next tier.

I could easily see #12 or #15 ending up being the best player in the draft this year 2-3 years later.
- Glak18

Why 12 and 15 specifically and who are these players?

At pick 5 you have your choice of anyone in the draft except the four players already selected. Simple. I do agree that the Flyers have a tendency to draft who they're “suppose to” draft. They never seem to miss on Bob McKenzie’s draft board. The last time I saw a real risk in selection by a team that went away from who was suppose to be number 1 was Colorado in the 2013 draft by selecting Nathan MacKinnon over Seth Jones who was overwhelmingly projected to go number 1 ahead of everyone. What’s funny about that draft is Steve Yzerman as Tampa Bay’s GM selected Jonathan Drouin at 3 one selection ahead of Seth Jones. Tampa was the model idea of what drafting well looks like and dropped the ball huge there.

Even great drafting teams can miss in the first round with a top five pick. It’s weird how this never comes up by anyone.
- SuperSchennBros

Yes, in theory and what you are saying is correct, but remember who they ended up getting for Drouin once they realized who they selected. Yzerman didn't wait 4 more years for him to hopefully come into his own...he was smart.

Why 12 and 15 specifically and who are these players?
- SuperSchennBros

Random middle round numbers. Does #8 and #26 feel better?

I think where we disagree is...

You believe the Flyers will get a build around player in the top 5. If they were picking top 3 I would agree, but the top 2 defensemen and everything else after Wright, Cooley and Slafkovsky is just the next tier.

I could easily see #12 or #15 ending up being the best player in the draft this year 2-3 years later.
- Glak18

No, I believe the best chance for the Flyers to get a player to build around is in the top 5.

Yes, in theory and what you are saying is correct, but remember who they ended up getting for Drouin once they realized who they selected. Yzerman didn't wait 4 more years for him to hopefully come into his own...he was smart.
- Glak18

That's a completely different situation. Yzerman didn't trade Drouin because he didn't want to wait on him. Drouin wanted out.

For me it depends on what is available at 5. If the Flyers luck into Cooley or can get a top RHD like Jiricek or Nemec, then absolutely nobody should be unhappy. Just make the pick. It gets more questionable to me with the wingers. If that happens I have to think if they drop only a few spots (still 7-12), they can get a top forward and a project at RHD or center.
- NC Flyers Fan

They will absolutely have a shot at one of those players. If Juraj Slafkovský is the winger your worries about I’m not sure you’ve been reading up on him. He is pretty solid in his projections. He won’t drop to 5 though. Jiricek is the most likely to drop but players to choose from are pretty solid. Taking a bigger risk dropping down in this draft.

No, I believe the best chance for the Flyers to get a player to build around is in the top 5.
- MJL

Unless someone drops, I'm afraid the Flyers are going to pick Jiricek.

This is what a good GM would do. Look into undervalued or other teams Morgan Frost types. Assuming the cost is reasonable.

Wonder if Buffalo would have interest in TK?
- furio16

Bowman drafted Dach because he wanted someone who was NHL ready. He was in the NHL at 18, like Nichuchkin. I think both suffered by being rushed. Strome and Dach both were much better after King replaced Colliton. Strome was barely playing under Colliton.

Dach is a big body, great skater and has playmaking ability. His biggest knock is that he doesn’t shoot enough. He’s only 21 and his cap hit would be a good value. My thinking is that he’s a late bloomer like Nichuchkin. If you’re talking to Chicago, forget The Cat and focus on Dach.

TK makes no sense for the Hawks.
- furio16

Why not? Rebuild or no rebuild, they still need players to play.

TK's production probably skyrockets w/ Kane and they can pump and dump him as gets nearer to the end of his contract for even more assets.

It's actually Debrincat that makes no sense for the Flyers. (Unless you live in Chuck Fletcher's Fantasyland)

Yes, in theory and what you are saying is correct, but remember who they ended up getting for Drouin once they realized who they selected. Yzerman didn't wait 4 more years for him to hopefully come into his own...he was smart.
- Glak18

Savvy trade by Yzerman to get Sergachev but he couldn’t have possibly known he was drafting a very lacking player in Drouin when he made the selection.

I think where we disagree is...

You believe the Flyers will get a build around player in the top 5. If they were picking top 3 I would agree, but the top 2 defensemen and everything else after Wright, Cooley and Slafkovsky is just the next tier.

I could easily see #12 or #15 ending up being the best player in the draft this year 2-3 years later.
- Glak18

Yet, I see another drop off from 6-9 picks and then again. Yes, someone in this range could develop into the best player but currently they are a much more risky pick. My guess is they stay at 5 or package in a big deal for a current NHL talent. This DeBRINCAT trade scares the crap out of me. The cost to keep him will be a lot and the cost to get him is going to be pricey. He is talented though. We complain about not having those high end guys but this one will cost to much in my estimate.

Unless someone drops, I'm afraid the Flyers are going to pick Jiricek.
- Glak18

All I know is what is said and posted about him on here. I haven't read anything that should scare someone. Hell, I'm hoping he is the pick.

They will absolutely have a shot at one of those players. If Juraj Slafkovský is the winger your worries about I’m not sure you’ve been reading up on him. He is pretty solid in his projections. He won’t drop to 5 though. Jiricek is the most likely to drop but players to choose from are pretty solid. Taking a bigger risk dropping down in this draft.
- peesinwind

Maybe you’re right and there is nothing here to worry about. I think there are big supporters for about 6 different wingers, everyone seems to have their favorite. Looking at clips and listening to a scout wax eloquently on about their strengths and the possibilities makes me feel like it is a sales pitch. Sure that one sounds good….