28 for Dach and a 3rd.

28th pick is meh to me.

Get a guy 3 years into development already.
- ImThatGuy

More like getting a bust.... NO THANKS

Toronto doesn't have a 2nd, they have Winnipeg’s 3rd
- Buff36

How about Buffalo gets Mrazek and a 2023 2nd?

How about Buffalo gets Mrazek and a 2023 2nd?
- Stripes77

Non existent

Non existent
- DirtyDan

2024 works, seems Toronto likes trading them away

How about Buffalo gets Mrazek and Sandin?
- Stripes77

Yeah that could work

Niemela too.

More like getting a bust.... NO THANKS
- DirtyDan

Guy feels Mittelstadt-y to me. I don't hate a buy low idea but I'm not spending 16 on him.

And to clarify Mitts is well ahead of Dach. I think this is a big year for Casey.

it's going to be weird in 2 years that Tage is an average but reliable 1C and zero (frank)in people saw it coming.

Guy feels Mittelstadt-y to me. I don't hate a buy low idea but I'm not spending 16 on him.

And to clarify Mitts is well ahead of Dach. I think this is a big year for Casey.
- TheSabresTaco

A first for Dach is a mistake.

And agreed HUGE year for Mitts make or break really,

it's going to be weird in 2 months that Tage is an average but reliable 1C and zero (frank)in people saw it coming.
- TheSabresTaco

Fify

Fify
- DirtyDan

more of an implication of 'can we trust him now'

i dont doubt he's rolled out at 1C at training camp.

A first for Dach is a mistake.

And agreed HUGE year for Mitts make or break really,
- DirtyDan

I think late first round picks are insanely overvalued.

2024 works, seems Toronto likes trading them away
- Stripes77

So Ottawa gets 16

Toronto gets Murray at 66% retained

Buffalo get 7 Mrazek and a '24 2nd

cool to me

Why not?

16 for 7 and Murray. Ottawa retains 33%

Murray to Toronto for a 2nd Buffalo retains 33%

Buffalo gets 7 and a second for 16
- Stripes77

I think we are giving up an asset to move murray, even if we retain half his salary.

Mrazek and murray are pretty comparable right now

I think late first round picks are insanely overvalued.
- ImThatGuy

I don't need to spend 28 on a prospect, but I'd like to use it on a player that's more useful than Kirby Dach.

Again, rebuilding team wants a redo on their 21 year old player. Flag.

So Ottawa gets 16

Toronto gets Murray at 66% retained

Buffalo get 7 Mrazek and a '24 2nd

cool to me
- DirtyDan

That was easy

I think we are giving up an asset to move murray, even if we retain half his salary.

Mrazek and murray are pretty comparable right now
- TaroTsujimoto5

I don't need to spend 28 on a prospect, but I'd like to use it on a player that's more useful than Kirby Dach.

Again, rebuilding team wants a redo on their 21 year old player. Flag.
- TheSabresTaco

Rebuilding team might be misusing their 21 year old player, causing them to sell low.

So Ottawa gets 16

Toronto gets Murray at 66% retained

Buffalo get 7 Mrazek and a '24 2nd

cool to me
- DirtyDan

Mrazek is a (frank)ing bum but I'd still do it.

Rebuilding team might be misusing their 21 year old player, causing them to sell low.
- Michael Ghofrani

Ya not playing with Kane really hurts his number

Mrazek is a (frank)ing bum but I'd still do it.
- TheSabresTaco

for #7 I'll let em slap my willy

Ya not playing with Kane really hurts his number

- DirtyDan

Not if he is playing with Jack Hughes.

I think late first round picks are insanely overvalued.
- ImThatGuy

So is Dach.

Mitts problems are injury based.

Also, to me Levi has a unique opportunity as the best goalie in the entire Buffalo Sabre system to start his NHL career early. I don't even understand the mindset of someone who worked hard enough to get to where he is to slam the breaks and say I'd rather not be in the show.

No worries about him becomming the next Pat Roy.
- lacaprup

Mitts original problems were that he came out of school too early and was immature / out of shape.

You and I can see Levi's opportunity but I still respect what he is doing. Power did the same thing - he could have easily come out already. The only thing he is really risking is a bad injury. In a way I am jealous - I spent too much of my time at that age trying to be a grownup.

Ya not playing with Kane really hurts his number

- DirtyDan

I'm not referring to the linemates, im referring to usage. He's seen a ton of minutes, like way more than most forwards with his development path. Additionally, it appears they asked him to take on way more defensive responsibility than he should've playing on a line with Debrincat and Kane, who presumably took care of the offense.

That's particularly taxing on a young player, especially since Kane is particularly bad defensively. It's a lot to take on the lions share of that role and produce at that level. Cozens had a similar problem. It's just overwhelming at that age.

Dach's possession and shot quality numbers away from kane are very good.

I don't need to spend 28 on a prospect, but I'd like to use it on a player that's more useful than Kirby Dach.

Again, rebuilding team wants a redo on their 21 year old player. Flag.
- TheSabresTaco

Dach's value is probably a second or third at this point. I'd be open to given up one of next year's seconds for him.