Oh please do tell, what has Wright done to prove he is worth more??? KK is a second over all pick, Wright would be a second overall pick.
- Brukie

Oh you weren't being facetious?

Kakko being a second overall pick means literally nothing.

Why would the Devils trade their pick to a major rival for two players who have accomplished precisely nothing of note in their careers, to date? They could get a whole hell of a lot more than that from another team who isn't a division/geographical rival.

If that's the case the Isles should flip Wahlstrom and Salo for the 2nd overall

I have. But, we don't have room for all the defensive, wing or goaltending prospects have right now, and for the next few years. Given that fact, why worry about filling the cupboard that is currently so full we can't shut the doors? I'm not calling for reckless abandonment of the draft pool or grooming from within. But, this is not so dire as it usually is. Our biggest issue right now, IMO, is icing a team that can repeat or better this season's successes. We are already in cap trouble this season. Why make it worse over Patrick (frank)ing Nemeth?
- Tonybere

but you just suggested we throw in a 3rd round pick to get rid of him and we don't have our 2022 or 2023 3rd round picks

We are in desperate need of Centers, if you suggested trading picks for a second, then for sure, but to just trade a pick to get rid of yet another bad contract, then no. Buy him out. The million buck Cap hit isnt as bad as the others we have had to endure.
- Brukie

Ok, so right now we are trying desperately to find a center we can fit under the cap. You want to restrict that search by an extra million dollars. How exactly are we going to find any sort of a quality player from the bargain bin? And what do you expect we are going to end up doing with the player selected with the retained pick? Are they going to jump passed Laf, KK, Kravstov, Chytil, Trouba, Schneider, Miller, Shesty, Kreider, Bread or Zibby on the depth chart in the next 3-4 years?
Buying out Nemeth puts us further away from competing THIS SEASON than keeping a future draft pick does. Do we want to see regression at this point, just to hope we might hit on something down the road? Not me.

but you just suggested we throw in a 3rd round pick to get rid of him and we don't have our 2022 or 2023 3rd round picks
- jimbro83

I suggested throwing in a suitable pick to make the deal happen. If you want to take me so literally as to say the whole idea is unreasonable then I guess I can do homework for every single post, but I figured you could extrapolate my true meaning.

I suggested throwing in a suitable pick to make the deal happen. If you want to take me so literally as to say the whole idea is unreasonable then I guess I can do homework for every single post, but I figured you could extrapolate my true meaning.
- Tonybere

ok, give me the other pick that you'd be willing to thrown in then

it's actually a topic to be taken literally because we have so few picks these next two drafts

Arthur Staple
@StapeAthletic
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#NYR will have a special guest at the draft table tonight: 2021 first-rounder Brennan Othmann. Didn't get the in-person draft experience last year obviously, so team wanted him to be on hand here in MTL.

ok, give me the other pick that you'd be willing to thrown in then

it's actually a topic to be taken literally because we have so few picks these next two drafts
- jimbro83

I don't know, Jim. This isn't my usual game. All I'm saying is that, IMO, we have more prospects than we can possibly ice at every position except center for the foreseeable future, so losing a pick to avoid more dead cap space would not hurt us in the future. I'd consider any pick outside of the 1st round, maybe 2nd, that entices a GM to deal.

I don't know, Jim. This isn't my usual game. All I'm saying is that, IMO, we have more prospects than we can possibly ice at every position except center for the foreseeable future, so losing a pick to avoid more dead cap space would not hurt us in the future. I'd consider any pick outside of the 1st round, maybe 2nd, that entices a GM to deal.
- Tonybere

so instead of having a million dollar cap hit this year, you'd part with a 2023 2nd round pick?


so in the 2023 draft, which is supposed to be one of best drafts in years, we'd have our first rounder, and then not another pick until the 6th round

I do not concur at all

Oh you weren't being facetious?

Kakko being a second overall pick means literally nothing.

Why would the Devils trade their pick to a major rival for two players who have accomplished precisely nothing of note in their careers, to date? They could get a whole hell of a lot more than that from another team who isn't a division/geographical rival.

If that's the case the Isles should flip Wahlstrom and Salo for the 2nd overall
- eichiefs9

I just said that it is an interesting trade proposal, I didnt say either team would do it.

You on the other hand didnt answer my question, what has Wright done that makes him so superior? In your own words of course. At this point he isnt even a clear choice number one and he plays a position that is coveted.

I just said that it is an interesting trade proposal, I didnt say either team would do it.

You on the other hand didnt answer my question, what has Wright done that makes him so superior? In your own words of course. At this point he isnt even a clear choice number one and he plays a position that is coveted.
- Brukie

what would scare me about Wright, just from a numbers perspective, is that his goals went down from 39 to 32 in his draft year, and he only scored 3 goals in OHL playoffs

that kind of would worry me, but, ultimately who really knows why that happened, his team really seemed to spread out the scoring amongst a number of guys

Oh you weren't being facetious?

Kakko being a second overall pick means literally nothing.

Why would the Devils trade their pick to a major rival for two players who have accomplished precisely nothing of note in their careers, to date? They could get a whole hell of a lot more than that from another team who isn't a division/geographical rival.

If that's the case the Isles should flip Wahlstrom and Salo for the 2nd overall
- eichiefs9

You've described pretty much every trade proposal on this board.

I just said that it is an interesting trade proposal, I didnt say either team would do it.

You on the other hand didnt answer my question, what has Wright done that makes him so superior? In your own words of course. At this point he isnt even a clear choice number one and he plays a position that is coveted.
- Brukie

He's a somewhat highly-touted prospect. He may have only accomplished "being a top overall draft prospect", but the allure of his upside should outweigh the factual evidence of what Kakko and Lundqvist have accomplished in their pro careers so far.

That's not to say either of them won't turn out to be good players, but they have been unspectacular at the pro level at this point in their careers. If the Devils are really dying for a player who has scored at a .37ppg pace in their career (Kakko) then they can go pick up Puljujarvi (career .38ppg) on the cheap from Edmonton.

The risk of trading a kid that could be an All-Star two-way forward to a division rival for two players who are currently not overly-impressive far outweighs the risk of just drafting Wright and seeing what happens.

He's a somewhat highly-touted prospect. He may have only accomplished "being a top overall draft prospect", but the allure of his upside should outweigh the factual evidence of what Kakko and Lundqvist have accomplished in their pro careers so far.

That's not to say either of them won't turn out to be good players, but they have been unspectacular at the pro level at this point in their careers. If the Devils are really dying for a player who has scored at a .37ppg pace in their career (Kakko) then they can go pick up Puljujarvi (career .38ppg) on the cheap from Edmonton.

The risk of trading a kid that could be an All-Star two-way forward to a division rival for two players who are currently not overly-impressive far outweighs the risk of just drafting Wright and seeing what happens.
- eichiefs9

I hope the Devils trade for Puljujarvi because that guy sucks major ass

so instead of having a million dollar cap hit this year, you'd part with a 2023 2nd round pick?


so in the 2023 draft, which is supposed to be one of best drafts in years, we'd have our first rounder, and then not another pick until the 6th round

I do not concur at all
- jimbro83

Is it confirmed that Winnipeg is taking this years 2nd?

I agree that a Nemeth buyout is better than attaching picks. If it wasn’t only a million bucks I’d feel differently.

what would scare me about Wright, just from a numbers perspective, is that his goals went down from 39 to 32 in his draft year, and he only scored 3 goals in OHL playoffs

that kind of would worry me, but, ultimately who really knows why that happened, his team really seemed to spread out the scoring amongst a number of guys
- jimbro83

He also lost an entire season of development to Covid. Not to say I think he's one of those can't-miss top prospects, but I'm willing to cut him a little slack under the circumstances

I hope the Devils trade for Puljujarvi because that guy sucks major ass
- jimbro83

He's a guy I'd take a flyer on if the cost was virtually nothing. But yeah he's been a lame duck so far for the most part

Is it confirmed that Winnipeg is taking this years 2nd?

I agree that a Nemeth buyout is better than attaching picks. If it wasn’t only a million bucks I’d feel differently.
- Slimtj100

Rangers had two second rounders, Winnipeg took one of em

so Rangers are picking 63rd overall as of now, thats our first pick

He also lost an entire season of development to Covid. Not to say I think he's one of those can't-miss top prospects, but I'm willing to cut him a little slack under the circumstances
- eichiefs9

I would definitely want him

but it would be a concern of mine if we were picking 1st overall, I'd be a bit wary

He also lost an entire season of development to Covid. Not to say I think he's one of those can't-miss top prospects, but I'm willing to cut him a little slack under the circumstances
- eichiefs9

That’s true. All these draft experts have been saying that he has roughly 60 less games under his belt compared to others high end picks

I would definitely want him

but it would be a concern of mine if we were picking 1st overall, I'd be a bit wary
- jimbro83

Yeah it's certainly not something that makes you jump for joy, but definitely a tough couple years for the kids getting drafted today and tomorrow

What I like about him over Slafkovsky is that his defensive game is so good that even if he busts as a top-six producer, he'll almost certainly still be a contributing NHL player

Yeah it's certainly not something that makes you jump for joy, but definitely a tough couple years for the kids getting drafted today and tomorrow

What I like about him over Slafkovsky is that his defensive game is so good that even if he busts as a top-six producer, he'll almost certainly still be a contributing NHL player
- eichiefs9

Bruce Garrioch
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The most active teams listening on their picks: No. 2 (New Jersey), No. 3 (Arizona Coyotes), No. 7 (Ottawa Senators) and No. 13 (New York Islanders). Lots of moving parts #Sens #nhldraft2022

Saw some rumors that the rangers only offered Kratsov, Nils and a 1st for JT Miller. If that is the case rangers won’t get him

Saw some rumors that the rangers only offered Kratsov, Nils and a 1st for JT Miller. If that is the case rangers won’t get him
- TPC

every rumour I see is that the Rangers and Vancouver are hung up on Schneider/Lundkvist, and this was going on even before the deadline

the Rangers wont part with Schneider

He's a somewhat highly-touted prospect. He may have only accomplished "being a top overall draft prospect", but the allure of his upside should outweigh the factual evidence of what Kakko and Lundqvist have accomplished in their pro careers so far.

That's not to say either of them won't turn out to be good players, but they have been unspectacular at the pro level at this point in their careers. If the Devils are really dying for a player who has scored at a .37ppg pace in their career (Kakko) then they can go pick up Puljujarvi (career .38ppg) on the cheap from Edmonton.

The risk of trading a kid that could be an All-Star two-way forward to a division rival for two players who are currently not overly-impressive far outweighs the risk of just drafting Wright and seeing what happens.
- eichiefs9

Ok decent argument but not compelling. The reason I said it was interesting was the fact the Devils have their 1-2 centers for probably the next decade and might take a chance on adding a winger with a high ceiling and a slick puck moving defense man. It does make sense for both teams to explore the possibilities with each team filing a need, but like you said, I doubt either team would take a chance on it.

every rumour I see is that the Rangers and Vancouver are hung up on Schneider/Lundkvist, and this was going on even before the deadline

the Rangers wont part with Schneider
- jimbro83

Which is why I think Kakko is being thrown out there now, since they won’t move Schneider