Apparently The Blackhawks are still actively trying to trade Alex DeBrincat to get into the first round tonight.

I don’t see us moving 5 for him (will cost more too).

But I do wonder if Chuck moves other pieces to get another 1st to try to get ADB.

Still not sure I want to risk ADB with his eventual UFA status.

Would you guys move #5 for Tkachuk?
- arichardson22

In a heartbeat

Florida got the runner-up Zito and were the league's best regular season team.

Flyers finished 29th.
- Feanor

Never felt like they took any candidate seriously other than Fletcher, including Zito. IIRC, only Fletcher had a face to face. Didn't seem to have a long list of candidates/interviews like they did with hiring the coach this time around. I could be wrong.

Apparently The Blackhawks are still actively trying to trade Alex DeBrincat to get into the first round tonight.

I don’t see us moving 5 for him (will cost more too).

But I do wonder if Chuck moves other pieces to get another 1st to try to get ADB.

Still not sure I want to risk ADB with his eventual UFA status.

Would you guys move #5 for Tkachuk?
- arichardson22

I would not. That’s a guy that will never perform up to his next contract. Horrible in the playoffs this past season too.

I don't think it was considered equal by Dave Scott because Fletcher had 9 years of NHL GM experience and Bill Z had only NHL AGM/ AHL de facto GM experience at that point and they had just fired a first-time GM. I think Chuck was Plan A and Bill was Plan B. But Bill also had the business/legal plus hockey plus Ivy League college profile that drew DS to Fletcher.

An endorsement from Bob Clarke for Chuck Fletcher was a bonus to DS, certainly. But the team president endorsement -- and Homer was in on the interviews, as team president -- weighed heavier at the time.
- bmeltzer

All of your comments tend to actually hurt Fletcher. That he truly is the main architect of this nonsense, and the position the team finds itself him. It paints him in a worse light.

Again, you are ignoring my question, why is it that the player development department hasn’t seen any turnover? It’s an obvious critical flaw.

The Flyers can hire as many new faces as they wish, but there are men who remain employed by this team for a reason that is unknown to me.

It reeks of a country club atmosphere. There is no solid basis for Fletcher to not have already been removed from his position.

Penguins are in that tough spot, just kind of have to keep going back at it and hope you break through. Don’t want to be the guy that finally pulls the plug.
- ClaudeFather

Honestly, I thought they hired Hextall to be the guy to pull the plug. Apparently not.

Does he live off the grid without a phone and internet?
- rayc16

Do you have any 70 year olds in your life, or did you at any point? They are horrible with phones, he’s not masterminding anything from his back deck. Try and just think for a second.

Flyers and Oilers will make a trade today

Do you have any 70 year olds in your life, or did you at any point? They are horrible with phones, he’s not masterminding anything from his back deck. Try and just think for a second.
- ClaudeFather

My 90 year old grandmother just got an iphone so she can get pictures of her great grandkids. She has no trouble it all!

Iphones are literally engineered so toddlers can use them.

My 90 year old grandmother just got an iphone so she can get pictures of her great grandkids. She has no trouble it all!

Iphones are literally engineered so toddlers can use them.
- StepfordSam

The fact that people think Clarke is running the show from his deck in Florida just points to the ignorance and stupidity of this comment section. It’s not surprising in the least. Props to your Gram.

Where the disconnect is Bill, is that people aren't saying that they're actively engaged. Don't have to be actively engaged to have influence. The evidence is overwhelming that the Flyers are stuck in the stone ages and haven't evolved with the modern day NHL. Until the old guard is removed and those who are influenced by them. The Flyers will not succeed.
- MJL

Evidence? Where's your evidence? Bill was nice enough to give actual first-hand information and you don't want to listen to it. I don't know how much more clear Bill can be. The blame for where this team is falls on Scott and Fletcher.

Do you have any 70 year olds in your life, or did you at any point? They are horrible with phones, he’s not masterminding anything from his back deck. Try and just think for a second.
- ClaudeFather

My mom is 82 and she does just fine with the phone and zoom.
However, I could see Clarke getting flustered.... not sure why because I don't know him but maybe the whole forgetting Giroux's name has something to do with it.

Flyers and Oilers will make a trade today
- hello it's me 2050

Barrie for Sanheim?

Kidding..... I think.

My mom is 82 and she does just fine with the phone and zoom.
However, I could see Clarke getting flustered.... not sure why because I don't know him but maybe the whole forgetting Giroux's name has something to do with it.
- rayc16

Haha he seemed like he was losing his mind then, in 2007 or whatever. He’s not doing much these days.

Flyers and Oilers will make a trade today
- hello it's me 2050

Is this the swami?

The fact that people think Clarke is running the show from his deck in Florida just points to the ignorance and stupidity of this comment section. It’s not surprising in the least. Props to your Gram.
- ClaudeFather

I don't think Clarke is running the show and I believe Bill over everyone because he has the most access.
However, he did state Chuck reaches out to Clarke. When you look at some of the moves Chuck has done, it's easy to draw conclusions..... right or wrong.

Flyers and Oilers will make a trade today
- hello it's me 2050

Puj?

All of your comments tend to actually hurt Fletcher. That he truly is the main architect of this nonsense, and the position the team finds itself him. It paints him in a worse light.

Again, you are ignoring my question, why is it that the player development department hasn’t seen any turnover? It’s an obvious critical flaw.

The Flyers can hire as many new faces as they wish, but there are men who remain employed by this team for a reason that is unknown to me.

It reeks of a country club atmosphere. There is no solid basis for Fletcher to not have already been removed from his position.
- FlyerFan3260

I am not attempting to help or hurt anyone. Am setting some misconceptions straight.

To answer your other question, to whom are you referring specifically? John Riley, Kjell Samuelsson and Brady Robinson? Because there has been some turnover, changes and more recent additions to the developmental coaching staff and roles.

Puj?
- arichardson22

I don't see Chuck taking that type of gamble unless it was a steal. Chuck has to know he has to get things right this summer or he's a goner.

The fact that people think Clarke is running the show from his deck in Florida just points to the ignorance and stupidity of this comment section. It’s not surprising in the least. Props to your Gram.
- ClaudeFather

but MJL said so, so its gotta be correct

I am not attempting to help or hurt anyone. Am setting some misconceptions straight.

To answer your other question, to whom are you referring specifically? John Riley, Kjell Samuelsson and Brady Robinson? Because there has been some turnover, changes and more recent additions to the developmental coaching staff and roles.
- bmeltzer

Riley, and Samuelsson. In particular one of my biggest concerns for this team is what I see as a trend in poor player development.

Thank you for any insight you provide, even if we disagree at times it is very much appreciated.

I don't see Chuck taking that type of gamble unless it was a steal. Chuck has to know he has to get things right this summer or he's a goner.
- rayc16

Chuck isn't going anywhere. If anything, he will relinquish the GM role and stay on as President of Hockey Ops. Briere is going to night school for the job as we speak.

Like Braun, in theory he would fit 3rd pair with a rookie but hate to go back to the well. Did Braun have issues cracking the lineup in NY? Only inquires got him in? The one PO he played, that I saw in the PO's, he was solid

Ivy League Chuck already thought of that, so he bought him one of these:


- Tomahawk

THAT is funny!

Chuck isn't going anywhere. If anything, he will relinquish the GM role and stay on as President of Hockey Ops. Briere is going to night school for the job as we speak.
- StepfordSam

if this year is another disaster, how does Scott and anyone under him survive. Honestly? Will need a full house cleaning at that point.


Unfortunately they'll probably be a middle of the pack team, miss the playoffs but enough to keep his job.

Morin: May not have become more than a 3rd pairing D in the NHL over the long-haul but absolutely would have played. As a matter of fact, he had just been recalled for what was intended as an extended look-see in Nov. 2017 when he was shut down for a psoas muscle issue. Returned seven weeks later and reaggravated it in the outdoor game in Hershey. Returned in the Calder playoffs and suffered the first ACL tear. Then a second total ACL tear followed. Then additional knee injury for which he was no longer a good candidate for extensive surgery.

Rubtsov: NHL-wide was considered a potential top-six forward with a top-nine median and 4th line PKer in a worst-case scenario. Two concussions, broken nose, two shoulder injuries (one requiring season ending surgery after 14 games), and a wrist surgery followed his Draft year. He was always just a star-crossed type including the misfortune of being on Russia's national U18 team that got banned from the U18 Worlds because they were extensively doping the players. He's shown promise at times but then inevitably gets injured with something significant and comes back playing like he's afraid of his own shadow. Who knows? Maybe he just was never good enough, even if he'd stayed healthy. Maybe he'd have discovered what worked for him against pros.

O'Brien: He entered the 2018 Draft as a classic case of fans basing their opinions on public rankings but the player actually being much more highly regarded by various NHL teams' scouting departments. He fit the Bruins mold of local product they could snap up who far exceeded his Draft position. The Flyers weren't the only team prepared to use a first-rounder on him. Next, go back and watch the 2018 World Junior Showcase, where O'Brien was one of Team USA's best three players (actually produced as much on the third line as Farabee did on the stacked first line). Unfortunately -- and this still is the basis by which too many judge the player -- his 2018-19 season was an injury-filled (shoulder, concussion) disaster in which he was unhappy at Providence (where he'd actually been a very early decision recruit since he was about 15). In the years since then, he's only had one healthy season, 2020-21, and that was a 16-game schedule due to the pandemic. He has NHL wheels and an NHL-caliber shot, and could still have a pro career but needs a HEALTHY senior year at BU because he's played so little hockey due to all the injuries and the pandemic.
- bmeltzer

So even in hindsight, they were all worth mid first round draft picks and there wasn’t any mistake on the Flyers part in evaluating their talent. I see.