if this year is another disaster, how does Scott and anyone under him survive. Honestly? Will need a full house cleaning at that point.


Unfortunately they'll probably be a middle of the pack team, miss the playoffs but enough to keep his job.
- rayc16

that was my question a few days ago, even if the Flyers don't sign FA's, they stay the course, they probably still end up picking in the teens. Will that get them to the promise land? Or is a complete tear down the only way.

Flyers and Oilers will make a trade today
- hello it's me 2050

Everything for Draisaitl hopefully.

Everything for Draisaitl hopefully.
- hereticpride

I don't think the Flyers could put any package together that will land them Draisaitl.

So even in hindsight, they were all worth mid first round draft picks and there wasn’t any mistake on the Flyers part in evaluating their talent. I see.
- Djapana

Did I say that? I said that major injuries-- none of which predated the Draft-- have been a big part of the story since then and it's hard to say how much it affected them. No more and no less.

I don't think the Flyers could put any package together that will land them Draisaitl.
- rayc16

5th overall and our 2nd round picks in perpetuity.

Tired of arguing this. You are wrong. I don't want this to come off the wrong way, but I have much, much closer to direct knowledge here. Also, Clarkie stays around because Chuck wants him to, as an old friend and someone he values personally and for his iconic status in the organization. Clarke is NOT close, personally or professionally, with Dave Scott. He did consider Ed Snider almost like his second dad.




The Alumni Association runs itself quite well, thanks. It is independent of the Flyers, although many of the directors also work for the Flyers. Brad Marsh is a fantastic president. Clarke comes to some events to lend his name and support but has zero role in any decision-making, events scheduled, financial management, etc. He does not even serve on the board of directors. Homer is on the Alumni board, along with Bob Kelly, Danny Briere, Todd Fedoruk, and Brian Propp with Marshy as president.

Flyers Charities is a division with the Flyers organization. Cindy Stutman directs the department. Their work overlaps at times with the Flyers Community department (which Marshy directs along with Hound) but the Flyers Alumni Association itself is a separate entity.



I have been privy to a lot of behind-the-scenes information, on and off the record, about the GM hire. Clarke's personal endorsement of Fletcher was only a secondary factor as far as Dave Scott was concerned, although Homer was also quite comfortable with it and he hadn't retired yet as team president. The team president's seal of approval carried more weight than the semi-retired senior VP (whose role by then was largely ceremonial in similar fashion to Keith Allen's latter years).

You are correct that Dave Scott is not a hockey person. Bill Barber's advisory job is to explain the language of hockey ops and within the game itself in layman's terms to keep Dave Scott in the loop. (Billy does not advise -- or even want to at this point -- as far any direct hockey ops decisions).

Whether Fletcher (or Bill Zito) was the wrong or right hire is a whole separate topic. What I'm discussing here is trying to set you and others straight on how the organization actually works on the hockey side versus how some erroneously insist it does. The one senior advisor who is actively engaged in weighing in on Hockey Operations matters is Dean Lombardi. Not Clarke. Not Holmgren. Not Barber.
- bmeltzer

Bill,
Some guys just need a boogy man….a conspiracy theory to push some real silly poop about the Flyers greatest icon of all time. OBVIOUSLY, you have more internal knowledge then these guys that want to assign blame other then where it belongs. The last two, maybe 3 regimes just haven’t done a very good job in both drafting and team building and the Flyers are where about they deserve to be.
I listened to Clarke’s comments on the now infamous podcast, and he himself talked about how far removed he was from the knowledge that would be needed in order to make these decisions a whole bunch of people seem to think he makes or is anyway involved in.
I appreciate how you’ve explained who is actually involved in the decision making for this team and what roles each guy serves. (For the up-teenth time). ….but some just don’t want to listen because then they have to admit how wrong they’ve been over the years about some of the nonsensical jibberish happening they continue to spew.

Debrincat to Sens.

Flyers and Oilers will make a trade today
- hello it's me 2050

Who for who?

Debrincat to Sens.
- PLindbergh31

Go on

Debrincat to Sens.
- PLindbergh31

#7, #39 and another 3rd rounder next year… glad we didn’t do it.

#7, #39 and another 3rd rounder next year… glad we didn’t do it.
- landros 2

Idk, doesn’t seem so bad but I will add that #5, although a couple picks before does seem significantly better than #7. We should get a good player, and if another team before us goes off the board, we could get a really good player.

#7, #39 and another 3rd rounder next year… glad we didn’t do it.
- landros 2

That’s actually not a bad price considering what people thought he would cost.

Made no sense for the Flyers to add him now however.

That’s actually not a bad price considering what people thought he would cost.

Made no sense for the Flyers to add him now however.
- hereticpride

Great trade for Ottawa IMO

My guess is we are picking Joakim Kemell, LW

#7, #39 and another 3rd rounder next year… glad we didn’t do it.
- landros 2

If that was the best offer it just shows you no one was quite comfortable with his soon to be UFA status.

Idk, doesn’t seem so bad but I will add that #5, although a couple picks before does seem significantly better than #7. We should get a good player, and if another team before us goes off the board, we could get a really good player.
- ClaudeFather

I’m hoping what was touched on in Bills blog, Cooley at #5….hey it can’t be said the Flyers don’t need a break.

DebrinCAT a Senator and JVR still a flyer. Nice dealing and wheeling Fletch

Idk, doesn’t seem so bad but I will add that #5, although a couple picks before does seem significantly better than #7. We should get a good player, and if another team before us goes off the board, we could get a really good player.
- ClaudeFather

if you are doing a re-tool and it is just picks, I could see CF doing it. The problem is he would then need to add another piece and to do that he needs to move JVR and Lindblom prior too or he loses to much leverage.

That’s actually not a bad price considering what people thought he would cost.

Made no sense for the Flyers to add him now however.
- hereticpride

I agree….the Flyers are in no position to trade the # 5 (after moving 13 last year) unless it was for a Matt Tkchuck type guy….which probably won’t happen.

DebrinCAT a Senator and JVR still a flyer. Nice dealing and wheeling Fletch
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Yeah, because those two players are the same.

Your imaginary vision of Clarke and Holmgren controlling the puppet Fletcher just isn’t true man. Get over it. Hextall sucked too.
- ClaudeFather

Your description of my vision is not accurate. You have a reading comprehension issue. Your replies are getting more desperate and more childish by the day.

I’m hoping what was touched on in Bills blog, Cooley at #5….hey it can’t be said the Flyers don’t need a break.
- landros 2

Let’s pray

DebrinCAT a Senator and JVR still a flyer. Nice dealing and wheeling Fletch
- THE EVIL WITHIN

You think DeBrincat would put this roster any closer to competing any time soon?

G might be really looking at the Sens now...

yeah, we don't agree. Could CF be doing that, yes. Do you know or I know, one way or the other? No.


All good-great leaders get information from subject matter experts, then they make a decision.
- wcorvette

Fletcher in his press conferences tells us that is what he is doing. It's obvious.