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Octavarium
New York Islanders
Joined: 01.03.2007

Jul 11 @ 12:07 PM ET
All the people bemoaning the money it MIGHT take to keep debrincat long term won't have a problem if he adds his name to the Heatley club of 50 goal men. They don't grow on trees. I have no problem paying him 10 if he's going to do that every year.
HoweHatrick
Joined: 01.02.2014

Jul 11 @ 12:10 PM ET
And agree with Debrincat no way in hell PD gonna pay him 9-10million 🤷‍♂️
- sens4life1971


The Sens will be paying DeBrincat $9M his RFA year. I am curious as to why you think paying him a multiple year deal in that vicinity is out of the question. If the Sens can get a 30+ goal scorer locked up for ~9M on a multi year deal, why would they not do that?
HoweHatrick
Joined: 01.02.2014

Jul 11 @ 12:14 PM ET
This is a very nice change of pace, but How can the team do a 180 on spending so quickly, when they've been so strapped for cash for so long.
- david22


Many are speculating that, with the LeBreton deal looming, there are new players with some cash involved / will be involved with the team.
spazzbot
Location: Maple Zombie
Joined: 02.14.2013

Jul 11 @ 12:20 PM ET
I am not a huge fan of signing Giroux. But if they spend their supposed $75m budget for this year there is more than enough money for Giroux and for a top 4 Dman (assuming Murray, Zaitsev and Connor Brown are moved.
- spatso


I agree murray,zaitsev would be great to get off the books.
I would like to see Connor stay i think he is the quintessential depth player. I would like to see them go after chychrun. Then hold the fort and see how the year pans out. Especially in goal. This time next year they may have to hunt for an expsenive goalie
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 11 @ 12:24 PM ET
I agree murray,zaitsev would be great to get off the books.
I would like to see Connor stay i think he is the quintessential depth player. I would like to see them go after chychrun. Then hold the fort and see how the year pans out. Especially in goal. This time next year they may have to hunt for an expsenive goalie

- spazzbot


Word just out of Edmonton that Evander has been given the okay to shop himself to other teams
david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

Jul 11 @ 12:26 PM ET
Word just out of Edmonton that Evander has been given the okay to shop himself to other teams
- spatso


I would have said before this week that the Sens would never explore him as a player, due to locker room issues.

But I heard they looked at DeAngelo, so who knows.
Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Jul 11 @ 12:44 PM ET
Word just out of Edmonton that Evander has been given the okay to shop himself to other teams
- spatso


I just hope PD doesn't forget that teams are crying for Goalies right now. Especially Edmonton and Toronto.

Murray might have bad history with injuries and his consistency but he is still a two time cup winner.

To me, we should be selling high on him. With Toronto I'd be trying to make a package for Nylander with Edmonton, it would be a sign and trade for Kane.

Who knows what else we would need to add, but keep in mind both teams need a goalie, both teams are in Cap trouble and both teams need to make something happen. Ottawa has the upper hand in both cases
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 11 @ 1:01 PM ET
I just hope PD doesn't forget that teams are crying for Goalies right now. Especially Edmonton and Toronto.

Murray might have bad history with injuries and his consistency but he is still a two time cup winner.

To me, we should be selling high on him. With Toronto I'd be trying to make a package for Nylander with Edmonton, it would be a sign and trade for Kane.

Who knows what else we would need to add, but keep in mind both teams need a goalie, both teams are in Cap trouble and both teams need to make something happen. Ottawa has the upper hand in both cases

- Maverick1818


We have never had a year where the cap was so significant. Worse next year for more teams. Devastating two summers now. This is the time to lock young team into place for multiple years
Sens Writer
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 08.19.2013

Jul 11 @ 1:07 PM ET
The Sens will be paying DeBrincat $9M his RFA year. I am curious as to why you think paying him a multiple year deal in that vicinity is out of the question. If the Sens can get a 30+ goal scorer locked up for ~9M on a multi year deal, why would they not do that?
- HoweHatrick

I have to agree. People seem excessively concerned with how many >$7M contracts are on the books, whereas the real problem the team faces is an ability to attract and retain high-end talent, without having to give up excessive $$$ or excessive term. This mindset is how they wind up overpaying for mediocrity like Murray, etc., which is a far greater problem than someone who might expect to be fairly compensated for producing 40G seasons.

Plus, they control the rate at which those kinds of contracts are handed out, and can be strategic in their approach. Tkachuk/Chabot make $8M AAV, and there will likely be long-term deals offered to Norris (~$7M AAV) and DeBrincat (~$9M AAV), mostly because they're also in that older mid-20's cohort. For the younger high-end players like Stutzle, Pinto, and Sanderson, they could be signed to less expensive RFA bridge deals to maximize the quality of the team's roster. The benchmark example being TB, where they balanced out high-$$$ contracts for Stamkos, Kucherov, Hedman, & Vasilevsky with 3yr RFA-bridge deals for Point, Sergachev, & Cirelli.
HoweHatrick
Joined: 01.02.2014

Jul 11 @ 1:12 PM ET
DeBrincat gives Senators a legit top six (Yost)

https://www.tsn.ca/travis...a-legit-top-six-1.1824025
Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Jul 11 @ 1:22 PM ET
We have never had a year where the cap was so significant. Worse next year for more teams. Devastating two summers now. This is the time to lock young team into place for multiple years
- spatso


I 100% agree, we should be locking our core down long term.

But I also think teams that made stupid cap decisions are in trouble (the leafs for example), now is the time to take advantage of that.
SensFan25
Ottawa Senators
Location: ON
Joined: 08.24.2006

Jul 11 @ 1:57 PM ET
I 100% agree, we should be locking our core down long term.

- Maverick1818

100%

Reasons why the salary cap should be significantly higher in 3 years:
1. The drag from COVID cap re-capture should end within a season or two.
2. New revenue streams in gambling related revenues, helmet/jersey ads.
3. Improved TV revenue stream from the latest US network television contracts.
4. Higher inflation environment for at least 2 years and possibly longer.
- 8% inflation this year would add ~$6.5M to the cap. 6% next year, add another ~$5M.

Within 3 to 4 years, the salary cap should be going to $95M ++. Now is the time to lock in 6, 7 and 8 year contracts.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 11 @ 2:13 PM ET
100%

Reasons why the salary cap should be significantly higher in 3 years:
1. The drag from COVID cap re-capture should end within a season or two.
2. New revenue streams in gambling related revenues, helmet/jersey ads.
3. Improved TV revenue stream from the latest US network television contracts.
4. Higher inflation environment for at least 2 years and possibly longer.
- 8% inflation this year would add ~$6.5M to the cap. 6% next year, add another ~$5M.

Within 3 to 4 years, the salary cap should be going to $95M ++. Now is the time to lock in 6, 7 and 8 year contracts.

- SensFan25


The pause on the cap is three years and this is the first summer. But you make a good point. If the new revenues including gambling increase dramatically there is no reason that the recapture could not be completed sooner.

I don't think it has been said specifically but the waiving of the recapture percentage would pop the cap to $96m.

Because almost all the new revenues are shared revenues (tv, gambling) it actually works really well for the smaller markets in terms of being able to cover the gap in terms of actual dollars.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 11 @ 2:25 PM ET
Oiler blogger pushing straight up Connor Brown for Puljaarvi trade. Brown once played wing with McDavid.

Puljaarvi is big, really good skater and plays a solid checking game. I like big guys who play a 200' game and I would not be disappointed by that move.
Mithos
Joined: 04.14.2021

Jul 11 @ 2:28 PM ET
Oiler blogger pushing straight up Connor Brown for Puljaarvi trade. Brown once played wing with McDavid.

Puljaarvi is big, really good skater and plays a solid checking game. I like big guys who play a 200' game and I would not be disappointed by that move.

- spatso


JP is know as the play killer in the Oilers dressing room, easy pass on him
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jul 11 @ 2:30 PM ET
JP is know as the play killer in the Oilers dressing room, easy pass on him
- Mithos


You'd have to be a moron to believe it. He's pretty darn good.
HoweHatrick
Joined: 01.02.2014

Jul 11 @ 2:38 PM ET
How much money / term will Burakovsky command in free agency if Colorado cannot get him signed?
Whatisavailable
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 08.20.2021

Jul 11 @ 2:51 PM ET
JP is know as the play killer in the Oilers dressing room, easy pass on him
- Mithos

I remember being disappointed when Edmonton fell to fourth in the lottery that year because I thought that meant they were not getting JP and then Jarmo Kekäläinen passed on him and chose DuBois instead which should have been a red flag.

I like Edmonton so have watched a fair number of their games and JP rarely shows the kind of player that he should be considering all the tools he has in his possession. Watching him during the playoffs this year was awful. I would steer clear. Too bad because he does have all the tools except for the one between his ears.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 11 @ 3:03 PM ET
I remember being disappointed when Edmonton fell to fourth in the lottery that year because I thought that meant they were not getting JP and then Jarmo Kekäläinen passed on him and chose DuBois instead which should have been a red flag.

I like Edmonton so have watched a fair number of their games and JP rarely shows the kind of player that he should be considering all the tools he has in his possession. Watching him during the playoffs this year was awful. I would steer clear. Too bad because he does have all the tools except for the one between his ears.

- Whatisavailable


More interesting about Edmonton is that their offer to Evander was 4x$4.5m. Dorion could and should do better than that. Listened to Edmonton commentator this past weekend talking about how dominant Evander was in the playoffs. He said Evander totally dominated Matthew Tkachuk at both ends of the ice. Some of his language was just puffery. But I certainly remember Evander from the series. I do not remember Matthew.
HoweHatrick
Joined: 01.02.2014

Jul 11 @ 4:06 PM ET
Oiler blogger pushing straight up Connor Brown for Puljaarvi trade. Brown once played wing with McDavid.

Puljaarvi is big, really good skater and plays a solid checking game. I like big guys who play a 200' game and I would not be disappointed by that move.

- spatso



Puljujarvi had 14G and 22A last season making $1.175M. He had some opportunity to play with McDavid but that did not seem to work out. The qualifying offer he received from the Oilers was reportedly ~$1.4M.

He is a big body RW that might work out on a checking line. If you could get him locked up for a few years around that number he might be fine.

That said, from the sounds of it, JP does not fancy himself as a 3rd-4th line player which is why he wants out of Edmonton. I am not sure he fits the Sens needs at the moment and I think I would pass.

Brown should be a sought after player and the Sens should be able to get a solid return for him if they decide to move him. I am not sure Puljujarvi is the return PD should be after.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 11 @ 4:46 PM ET
DeBrincat gives Senators a legit top six (Yost)

https://www.tsn.ca/travis...a-legit-top-six-1.1824025

- HoweHatrick



Thanks. Really good read, Interesting how well Ottawa may have positioned themselves going forward. Would not disagree that we should avoid adding more elite forwards and focus on building a strong top 4 D and ensuring goaltending is adequate.

Maybe we could go together and buy ticket for Murray to Lourdes? Ultimate irony Murray is Sens opening night goaltender.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jul 11 @ 5:14 PM ET
Alex DeBrincat 41 goals - 2018-2019

The goals scored on which side of the ice: 27 from LW, 10 from center, 4 from RW. The number could be modified a bit because some could be moved a bit over but generally, DeBrincat has scored most of his goals from the LW.

Alex DeBrincat 41 goals - 2021-2022

LW - 19, C - 10 , RW- 11

My thoughts: More versatility a few years later. The numbers show he can score anywhere, with preference on LW. Great hand eye coordinatization, not afraid to go down the middle of the ice, shot comes so quick off his stick, deceptive, one times he can get off QUICK. He certainly needs great play makers on his line to maximize his lethal goal scoring. Add Giroux on RW and Stutzle will score 60+ points easily if healthy.
Mithos
Joined: 04.14.2021

Jul 11 @ 5:41 PM ET
Alex DeBrincat 41 goals - 2018-2019

The goals scored on which side of the ice: 27 from LW, 10 from center, 4 from RW. The number could be modified a bit because some could be moved a bit over but generally, DeBrincat has scored most of his goals from the LW.

Alex DeBrincat 41 goals - 2021-2022

LW - 19, C - 10 , RW- 11

My thoughts: More versatility a few years later. The numbers show he can score anywhere, with preference on LW. Great hand eye coordinatization, not afraid to go down the middle of the ice, shot comes so quick off his stick, deceptive, one times he can get off QUICK. He certainly needs great play makers on his line to maximize his lethal goal scoring. Add Giroux on RW and Stutzle will score 60+ points easily if healthy.

- AlfieisKing



find his goals total with and without Kane and Kanes total with and without Cat.
PuckPix
Joined: 01.12.2021

Jul 11 @ 5:45 PM ET
Alex DeBrincat 41 goals - 2018-2019

The goals scored on which side of the ice: 27 from LW, 10 from center, 4 from RW. The number could be modified a bit because some could be moved a bit over but generally, DeBrincat has scored most of his goals from the LW.

Alex DeBrincat 41 goals - 2021-2022

LW - 19, C - 10 , RW- 11

My thoughts: More versatility a few years later. The numbers show he can score anywhere, with preference on LW. Great hand eye coordinatization, not afraid to go down the middle of the ice, shot comes so quick off his stick, deceptive, one times he can get off QUICK. He certainly needs great play makers on his line to maximize his lethal goal scoring. Add Giroux on RW and Stutzle will score 60+ points easily if healthy.

- AlfieisKing


With Malkin officially testing free agency, you can bet Giroux takes a long look at Pitt now with his buddy Crosby as the Pens are set up to win now, unlike the Sens. Just saying.
PuckPix
Joined: 01.12.2021

Jul 11 @ 5:46 PM ET
find his goals total with and without Kane and Kanes total with and without Cat.
- Mithos


DeBrincat is 5'7", how many players that small can play a rugged playoff style hockey like your coach wants his guys to play? Plus, no team that has a player making 10M or more in the NHL has ever won a cup because you tie up too much dollars tied up in one player.
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