OUT

Colin White (0.875m)
Matt Murray (1.56m)
Chris Tierney
2022 1st
2022 2nd
2023 3rd
2024 7th (nothing)

IN

Alex Debrincat
(add Jake Sanderson, Shane Pinto for a full year)


- AlfieisKing

Very true!

I see what you're saying. I like JBD and would be sorry to see him go but getting Chychrun, who apparently can play the right side, would help me get over it. I never cared for Sokolov so I don't much care.

The unprotected first is a risk because I don't think Forsberg can handle more than 50 games if that and we don't know how Gus will work out. If that tandem screws the pooch they will be a lottery team again next year. I've been saying for a while now that they can't be spending like drunken sailors because they may need money for a goalie not too far down the road.

Connor Brown is the guy that everybody on here is always saying that the team needs to add - that steadying veteran presence - and this one can play up and down your lineup which is important when you run into injury issues. Great in the room, everybody likes him and a great role model. You don't trade this guy - you sign him to a nice extension.

I don't think the DeBrincat acquisition was wise because you need to sign first Norris and then Stutzle to contracts and you're saying 40 goals and nothing else because we're talking a 5'7" 165 lb midget - well those 40 goals get you at least 9 million.

Norris is your first line C and plays on the first PP unit and was on pace for more than 40 goals. If I'm him I'm not standing still for the midget making more than me.

Stutzle is 20 years old and is already wowing people with his skill and developing playmaking ability. Many, including myself, think he will emerge as the true number 1C on this team this year. He also plays on the number 1 PP unit.

These guys have great chemistry and is evident to everyone who watches them. This year this little midget is going to come in and upset the applecart. DeBrincat will be played on the number 1 PP unit which is going to piss somebody off.

They may try DeBrincat on the first line with Tkachuk and Norris but that won't work because it's Batherson who makes that line work. So DeBrincat plays with Stutzle. If that doesn't work you've got a big problem but let's say that it works great and even matches or outperforms that first line. Now what do you pay Stutzle who you could argue is your actual number 1C?

If the DeBrincat experiment works and you sign him for the 9-10 million he most likely will want you will run into problems in the playoffs because of his size and you will have shot your team salary structure to sh_t.

If it doesn't work and you're able to flip him out for a good return you still will have damaged that great team chemistry perhaps beyond repair and you will have shot your team salary structure to sh_t.

I like Chychrun and if he can indeed play the right side well I would want either the unprotected first or Connor Brown off the table. My personal preference would be to keep Connor Brown. Ottawa never wins the lottery anyway.
- Whatisavailable

Like I mentioned, JBD and Sokolov will be in Belleville next year, this team needs NHL top 4 D so badly right now....they need to improve the current NHL roster....

Connor Brown will yield a 1st rounder at the deadline for AZ. Formenton-Pinto-Joseph on the 3rd line....4th line tons of options....as long as they sign Giroux....if they don't....hard to move Brown.
Lets see how Stutzle and Norris co at Center play out this year....then make a decision on salary, where each slots on the roster, etc....

Wow. That is a lot of effort some pretty meaningless speculation.

You should try being positive. It's great for your mental and physical health.
- HoweHatrick

Pretty much everything on this thread is meaningless speculation, even if you want to celebrate.

There are however quite a few inescapable facts in my post and I tend to be cautious. Only 5 guys allowed on the PP. DeBrincat is getting a 9 million dollar qualifying offer. Norris was on pace for more than 40 goals and he is a center. DeBrincat is 5'7" and 165lbs. Forsberg is not a number 1G or at least never has been. I could go on a bit but that's enough.

I thought the team had a very bright future and had an idea of how the team should continue to progress so I am a little disappointed to see that there is another option developing. I could be completely wrong and all the people cheering this stuff could be right and if that's so I would be very happy.

Pretty much everything on this thread is meaningless speculation, even if you want to celebrate.

There are however quite a few inescapable facts in my post and I tend to be cautious. Only 5 guys allowed on the PP. DeBrincat is getting a 9 million dollar qualifying offer. Norris was on pace for more than 40 goals and he is a center. DeBrincat is 5'7" and 165lbs. Forsberg is not a number 1G or at least never has been. I could go on a bit but that's enough.

I thought the team had a very bright future and had an idea of how the team should continue to progress so I am a little disappointed to see that there is another option developing. I could be completely wrong and all the people cheering this stuff could be right and if that's so I would be very happy.
- Whatisavailable

Lets see if DeBrincat can plays DJ's style...with his size and stay as healthy as he did in Chicgao....only 4 missed games....again, time will tell this season.

Like I mentioned, JBD and Sokolov will be in Belleville next year, this team needs NHL top 4 D so badly right now....they need to improve the current NHL roster....

Connor Brown will yield a 1st rounder at the deadline for AZ. Formenton-Pinto-Joseph on the 3rd line....4th line tons of options....as long as they sign Giroux....if they don't....hard to move Brown.
Lets see how Stutzle and Norris co at Center play out this year....then make a decision on salary, where each slots on the roster, etc....
- Kevin Francis

Well you actually have to sign Norris now and if I'm his agent, same guy that was Tkachuk's agent I believe, I'm insisting on getting more than the midget.

If Brown really doesn't want to be here then by all means move him. If he just doesn't want to be nickel and dimed like they tried to do with Nick Paul, which was really stupid by the way, then don't nickel and dime him. Pay the man. I'd love to have Paul for 7 years at just over 3 million per.

Well you actually have to sign Norris now and if I'm his agent, same guy that was Tkachuk's agent I believe, I'm insisting on getting more than the midget.

If Brown really doesn't want to be here then by all means move him. If he just doesn't want to be nickel and dimed like they tried to do with Nick Paul, which was really stupid by the way, then don't nickel and dime him. Pay the man. I'd love to have Paul for 7 years at just over 3 million per.
- Whatisavailable

Brown isn't happy on a few levels with management....so it was no surprise that his agent put out that report....Sens told his camp they wouldn't be negotiating a new deal....so it was expected...

As for Nick Paul....his agent went to the Sens in November with an offer of 5 years 10M....for an extension for his client....Sens pondered it....then didn't get back to the agent.....so it was no wonder that Paul was traded. Then Ottawa offered 4 years at 10.....token contract offer 2 days before the deadline....when they could have had him at a better AAV in November....fact! I have that from management.

With DeBrincat.....I agree...get Norris signed first...wouldn't surprise me if it was a bridge deal....DeBrincat will play out the season unless Ottawa gets the AAV that they want on a deal and Alex is willing to sign it. Again, time will tell.

Like I mentioned, JBD and Sokolov will be in Belleville next year, this team needs NHL top 4 D so badly right now....they need to improve the current NHL roster....

Connor Brown will yield a 1st rounder at the deadline for AZ. Formenton-Pinto-Joseph on the 3rd line....4th line tons of options....as long as they sign Giroux....if they don't....hard to move Brown.
Lets see how Stutzle and Norris co at Center play out this year....then make a decision on salary, where each slots on the roster, etc....
- Kevin Francis

I agree 100%. I'm not sure Connor Brown will yield a 1st (what does AZ mean?) but he is certainly worth a 2nd at least

Brown isn't happy on a few levels with management....so it was no surprise that his agent put out that report....Sens told his camp they wouldn't be negotiating a new deal....so it was expected...

As for Nick Paul....his agent went to the Sens in November with an offer of 5 years 10M....for an extension for his client....Sens pondered it....then didn't get back to the agent.....so it was no wonder that Paul was traded. Then Ottawa offered 4 years at 10.....token contract offer 2 days before the deadline....when they could have had him at a better AAV in November....fact! I have that from management.

With DeBrincat.....I agree...get Norris signed first...wouldn't surprise me if it was a bridge deal....DeBrincat will play out the season unless Ottawa gets the AAV that they want on a deal and Alex is willing to sign it. Again, time will tell.
- Kevin Francis

5 years at 2 million per. Makes me ill to think of it. Now everybody praising Dorion for spending assets to get out from under his dumb signings to begin with. I have to wonder if there are other voices involved because these latest moves don't seem as dumb as I've become accustomed to from Dorion.

As for the rest of it as you say time will tell. I know the team will do better this year and maybe even the year after. For me it's a question of how far they will go that's important.

I agree 100%. I'm not sure Connor Brown will yield a 1st (what does AZ mean?) but he is certainly worth a 2nd at least
- AlfieisKing

I was told by a few NHL personnel at the draft that if Ottawa waited to move Brown at the deadline, that he would fetch a 1st rounder....he's the playoff type of guy you want on your roster to help get you over the hump.

5 years at 2 million per. Makes me ill to think of it. Everybody praising Dorion for spending assets to get out from under his dumb signings to begin with. I have to wonder if there are other voices involved because these moves don't seem as dumb as I've become accustomed to from Dorion.

As for the rest of it as you say time will tell. I know the team will do better this year and maybe even the year after. For me it's a question of how far they will go that's important.
- Whatisavailable

Actually I had someone tell me in an IM just now....that Gord Wilson of TSN1200 told them the same thing about Nick Paul. It was well known leading up to the deadline, that is why some of the guys in the locker room were pissed that the team wouldn't cough up an extra 200-300k per year....anyways, that's in the rear mirror now....but many tell me....these are the frustrating things that PD has blown over the years....there are others....

Agreed, lets see how the next 2 weeks play out....then see how the team does on the ice!

Read Toronto media coverage of Murray trade this morning.

Dave Feschuck of Toronto star called Dubas delusional. Folks are not happy.

Before the trade Sens fans, reporters and bloggers all reported the same thing. Murray is not a reliable goaltender. Is there something here that Dubas sees or understands that the rest of us are missing?

I was told by a few NHL personnel at the draft that if Ottawa waited to move Brown at the deadline, that he would fetch a 1st rounder....he's the playoff type of guy you want on your roster to help get you over the hump.
- Kevin Francis

Ottawa should find a way to get the top 4 defenceman without parting with Connor Brown. Having him on the third line with Pinto would be excellent depth. If things go off the rails for Ottawa and we will miss the playoffs, then trade him.
As for a Nick Paul at 5 years for $10M, that's a massive miss by the organization if that is true.

The only redeeming factor of the Paul trade is that he solely put the nails in the Leafs first round casket.
Lets hope Murray does the same. What a strange aquistion for a team close to winning a first round.

Can Dubas' acquisition of Murray simply be a pressure / few other options / I have to get someone signed move?

I would have thought that Campbell, at the reported close to Murray numbers, would have been a safer option. Perhaps the dollars and/or term Campbell is asking for are simply not viable.

Gotta be honest.

PD crushed the first trade, but the Murray deal was a bit disappointing for me... and here's why.

#1. Ottawa doesn't really need cap relief and somehow we are still paying 25%
#2. Even though they are nothing draft picks... We still gave up draft picks
#3. It was known that the leafs needed a goalie... Ottawa had all the upper hand
#4. We basically got nothing in return other than cap relief we don't need
#5. I think Gus is the future, but Murray played decent for about 20 games.

Gotta be honest.

PD crushed the first trade, but the Murray deal was a bit disappointing for me... and here's why.

#1. Ottawa doesn't really need cap relief and somehow we are still paying 25%
#2. Even though they are nothing draft picks... We still gave up draft picks
#3. It was known that the leafs needed a goalie... Ottawa had all the upper hand
#4. We basically got nothing in return other than cap relief we don't need
#5. I think Gus is the future, but Murray played decent for about 20 games.
- Maverick1818

While I see your point, Gus, Forsberg and Murray were not waiver exempt this year, so with 3 goalies, as soon as you send one down you risk losing them for nothing. At least this year now that Gus is on a 1 way contract, we can keep him and cross our fingers that he turns into a good goalie.

While I see your point, Gus, Forsberg and Murray were not waiver exempt this year, so with 3 goalies, as soon as you send one down you risk losing them for nothing. At least this year now that Gus is on a 1 way contract, we can keep him and cross our fingers that he turns into a good goalie.
- Ronninn

Gus is already a good goalie, we want him to turn into a great goalie lol.

I wasn't suggesting to keep Murray, but I was just saying we really didn't have to move him.

So since we did, you'd think we would get something useful back. Especially since the Leafs are in cap trouble and were clearly desperate for a goalie.

Personally, I would have paired Murray and brown together and maybe some picks to try to bring in something that could be used as a building block for the Sens future.

Nylander woulda been nice lol

Gotta be honest.

PD crushed the first trade, but the Murray deal was a bit disappointing for me... and here's why.

#1. Ottawa doesn't really need cap relief and somehow we are still paying 25%
#2. Even though they are nothing draft picks... We still gave up draft picks
#3. It was known that the leafs needed a goalie... Ottawa had all the upper hand
#4. We basically got nothing in return other than cap relief we don't need
#5. I think Gus is the future, but Murray played decent for about 20 games.
- Maverick1818

I am not so sure I agree with the assessment that cap space is not something needed by the team. With a budget in place, multiple players needing deals and potential targets to sign, cap space is a good (if not necessary) return. Murray's salary will hopefully be replaced by Chychrun's salary.

Also, having someone around the team that is having issues with management / coaching / is unhappy etc is not something conducive to a winning culture. I am by no means pointing any fingers the in player's direction, but it is a consideration. There may also be a factor of PD having lost confidence in Murray's ability to perform and the subsequent (presumed) drag of the player / contract on the Leafs as a division rival for the next two seasons. If that was PD's thought, it is also a part of the return.

I wish Mr. Murray nothing but the best and I hope his stay in Toronto is good for him.

Curious curious stuff that Murray deal.
I wonder if the Sens did their due diligence this time and sent the appropriate paper work regarding Murray's 10 team no trade. I mention that because this has a slight stink of Murray being flipped somewhere else.

I know. They hired Murray's old goalie coach blah blah. There's just an aroma here.

how Dubas can think that Murray will be better behind the Leafs defense than Ottawa's is the kicker for me.

Curious curious stuff that Murray deal.
I wonder if the Sens did their due diligence this time and sent the appropriate paper work regarding Murray's 10 team no trade. I mention that because this has a slight stink of Murray being flipped somewhere else.

I know. They hired Murray's old goalie coach blah blah. There's just an aroma here.

how Dubas can think that Murray will be better behind the Leafs defense than Ottawa's is the kicker for me.
- Octavarium

I am not sure that Murray will be flipped as the Leafs will have the same NTC issues to deal with. That said, similar deals have happened before.

Gus is already a good goalie, we want him to turn into a great goalie lol.

I wasn't suggesting to keep Murray, but I was just saying we really didn't have to move him.

So since we did, you'd think we would get something useful back. Especially since the Leafs are in cap trouble and were clearly desperate for a goalie.

Personally, I would have paired Murray and brown together and maybe some picks to try to bring in something that could be used as a building block for the Sens future.

Nylander woulda been nice lol
- Maverick1818

Most people thought the Sens would have to pay even more to get Murray off the books, so as of right now it looks like a win.

The fact is that Murray had negative value right now. You'd have to add an awful lot to get anything substantial back for him.

Wow. That is a lot of effort some pretty meaningless speculation.

You should try being positive. It's great for your mental and physical health.
- HoweHatrick

Agreed. Gotta say all the pejorative little people talk is invalidated by the on ice contributions of many, many smaller statured players, including those who are cup champions. This isn't basketball, the kid can really play. Relax.

Senators Should Avoid Acquiring Chychrun

https://thehockeywriters....avoid-acquiring-chychrun/

Agreed. Gotta say all the pejorative little people talk is invalidated by the on ice contributions of many, many smaller statured players, including those who are cup champions. This isn't basketball, the kid can really play. Relax.
- Bartacus

If someone feels the need to repeatedly use disparaging remarks you are free, and I encourage you, to take them for what they are worth: little to nothing.

Read Toronto media coverage of Murray trade this morning.

Dave Feschuck of Toronto star called Dubas delusional. Folks are not happy.

Before the trade Sens fans, reporters and bloggers all reported the same thing. Murray is not a reliable goaltender. Is there something here that Dubas sees or understands that the rest of us are missing?
- spatso

The man sees much the rest of us don't. Through prescription-less glasses, nonetheless. He's gambling that Murray will bounce back with the Soo connection, the two cups in the bag, and the right coaching pieces in place. IMO it's a huge gamble, MM is 3 years removed from playing meaningful hockey in a positive headspace.