If he doesn’t want to go to the Islanders he can make an outrageous extension demand.
Free agents don’t exactly flock to go there.
- Shuswap Wap

Well, at least it's not... NEW JERSEY!

I guess it depends... A team presents you with an excellent offer on the condition that the player is open to negotiating an extension. You say no to them gaining that confirmation, they walk. You just kissed your best return goodbye. Where does that give up control of the bargaining process?

Unless you know before hand that your player is heading for UFA, then there is no risk. If this is the case, then you are trying to fleece your trade partner in a bad way.... which will seriously sour the markets in future trades on a trust level.
- boonerbuck

If you accept that excellent offer, then by all means yes, negotiate away. Because that's where it becomes an agreement.

To answer the bolded, the moment you put the right of contract negotiations into another teams hands while they can still pull an offer off the table.

If he doesn’t want to go to the Islanders he can make an outrageous extension demand.
Free agents don’t exactly flock to go there.
- Shuswap Wap

Sounds like what he's done to the Canucks.

Perhaps. I'll say something I've been saying for a year or so, I think Miller would rather be in the USA. Islanders are not in a worse position than the Canucks and geographically, a place Miller likes. I'm doubtful he has a problem with the Islanders.

I still think it's pointing towards Miller simply wanting to hit the UFA market next summer.

If he doesn’t want to go to the Islanders he can make an outrageous extension demand.
Free agents don’t exactly flock to go there.
- Shuswap Wap

Yet 7 of the 18 signed players were UFA signings.

If you accept that excellent offer, then by all means yes, negotiate away. Because that's where it becomes an agreement.

To answer the bolded, the moment you put the right of contract negotiations into another teams hands while they can still pull an offer off the table.
- Load Management

Nice to see you've caught up... I've been saying all along, if you come to an agreement and it hinges on that communication, then you have to do it.

Yet 7 of the 18 signed players were UFA signings.
- Reubenkincade

Ya, I don't see it as a undesirable destination. It's a tunnel/bridge away from NYC.

Nice to see you've caught up... I've been saying all along, if you come to an agreement and it hinges on that communication, then you have to do it.
- boonerbuck

You're so full of shit. This isn't even close to what you've been saying. I just spent an hour correcting you.

You're welcome.

Ya, I don't see it as a undesirable destination. It's a tunnel/bridge away from NYC.
- boonerbuck

Plus, the Islanders had a bad season but were in conference final for the 2 seasons before that.
A good team, with a fair amount of pretty good players

Sounds like what he's done to the Canucks.

Perhaps. I'll say something I've been saying for a year or so, I think Miller would rather be in the USA. Islanders are not in a worse position than the Canucks and geographically, a place Miller likes. I'm doubtful he has a problem with the Islanders.

I still think it's pointing towards Miller simply wanting to hit the UFA market next summer.
- boonerbuck

Agreed.

I'm just of the opinion that Miller is going to majorly disappoint this year if we keep him. I want him gone by UFA so that he'll be someone else's problem and we can move on without him. He's not a core piece and our D NEEDS improvement or we're treading water at best or dipping downwards next season.
- DariusKnight

The return is going to stink. I’ve been preparing you guys for this for months. Canucks fans are delusional

You're so full of shit. This isn't even close to what you've been saying. I just spent an hour correcting you.

You're welcome.
- Load Management

I've said it multiple times and even reminded you that it stemmed from the Islanders rumor so try and keep it in context. You are just not very smart is all. Hence why you spent an hour correcting something you don't understand.

It's not even close to buying a used car. Players have to pass physicals all the time. Teams are responsible for their own due diligence in that regard.

What we are talking about here, I think anyways, is allowing another team to negotiate a contract with Miller before terms of a trade are agreed upon. And I think that is foolish.
- Load Management

I don’t think that’s the case though. I think the teams have already negotiated the items involved, but the specifics (a 1st OR a 2nd, prospect X or prospect Y) would depend if he is a one year rental, or if you’re buying 7-8-9 years of the player.

I've said it multiple times and even reminded you that it stemmed from the Islanders rumor so try and keep it in context. You are just not very smart is all.
- boonerbuck

Even within the context of the Islander rumour my stance holds true.

You, on the other hand, are in the throes of a narrative flip. One that my lesser brain provoked....I'll leave you to it.

If you accept that excellent offer, then by all means yes, negotiate away. Because that's where it becomes an agreement.

To answer the bolded, the moment you put the right of contract negotiations into another teams hands while they can still pull an offer off the table.
- Load Management

You aren’t getting an excellent offer unless you let them talk extension. That’s why 99% of the time they allow them to talk.

You aren’t getting an excellent offer unless you let them talk extension. That’s why 99% of the time they allow them to talk.
- TurdFergeson

That's straight up BS.

Which team is going to sign Tryamkin (next year)? Nashville, NYI, Carolina? Tampa…

The return is going to stink. I’ve been preparing you guys for this for months. Canucks fans are delusional
- CanuckDon

I don't think ot will stink, it just won't be the 4 super assets that many seem to think will be the return.
If anyone thinks a top 10 pick a good young player, preferably a RHD and a top prospect, will be the return,then they are more than delusional,but also idiotic.

You're so full of shit. This isn't even close to what you've been saying. I just spent an hour correcting you.

You're welcome.
- Load Management

I wasn't suggesting leaving discussions wide open for the whole league. If you have your best trade in principle worked out and it hinges on Miller's willingness to negotiate a new contact with that trade partner, you need to open up the communication to get that trade complete or miss out.

Don't give permission to tire kickers is all...

If there is a big trade offer, it would be a mistake to walk away from it to prevent that team from getting confirmation from Miller that he's willing to negotiate instead of going for UFA. Keep in mind hat this discussion stems from the Islander rumor. Context.

I guess it depends... A team presents you with an excellent offer on the condition that the player is open to negotiating an extension. You say no to them gaining that confirmation, they walk. You just kissed your best return goodbye.

It has in the past and when it's been denied, its been a deal breaker. Of course somethings up if you say no...

I don't know how you can't see what I've been talking about. In reality, all this repeating is me correcting you obviously.

Narrative flip? Clearly, you tried your best to flip what I've been saying and failed. Brainiac....

Which team is going to sign Tryamkin (next year)? Nashville, NYI, Carolina? Tampa…
- 1970vintage

Yekatenburg Automobilist

I don't know how you can't see what I've been talking about. In reality, all this repeating is me correction you obviously.

Narrative flip? Clearly, you tried your best to flip what I've been saying and failed. brainiac....
- boonerbuck

How many times do I have to explain this? I don't agree with giving up contract negotiation rights based on an OFFER.

Now run back through your obsessive quoting an look at how many times you used the word OFFER. You're pretty bang on with insulting my intelligence though. You're good at it.

How many times do I have to explain this? I don't agree with giving up contract negotiation rights based on an OFFER.

Now run back through your obsessive quoting an look at how many times you used the word OFFER. You're pretty bang on with insulting my intelligence though. You're good at it.
- Load Management

Look at this and tell me I'm talking about something else?

I wasn't suggesting leaving discussions wide open for the whole league. If you have your best trade in principle worked out and it hinges on Miller's willingness to negotiate a new contact with that trade partner, you need to open up the communication to get that trade complete or miss out.

Wow are you ever burned out... I go into detail what I mean over and over... and you want to argue about a word used a couple of times even though it doesn't change any context of the details. You truly are stupid as a shoe.

I choose not to use the word "agreement" simply because there is no agreement on the offer unless they can get confirmation that the player is willing to negotiate a extension. It remains a offer at this point in my opinion.

Why would you need to accommodate communication if you've already came to an agreement? Just pull the trigger on the trade and file the paperwork... You are just falling back on semantics to cover your inability to follow a conversation. The context is all there in my quotes. It doesn't change because I used the word "offer" twice in those quotes. Nice try Einstein

That's straight up BS.
- Load Management

It’s an exaggeration but the vast majority do.

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- Reubenkincade

Yes, but how long is his deal, 2 years? He clearly wanted to return to the NHL. Was just thinking of some organizations who have had recent success with undervalued D.

Yes, but how long is his deal, 2 years? He clearly wanted to return to the NHL. Was just thinking of some organizations who have had recent success with undervalued D.
- 1970vintage

Ya, I doubt any North American team would sign him, he was and still is grossly overvalued by this fanbase.
I hear Sweden is the country to go to if you want to become a good hockey player.

I wasn't suggesting leaving discussions wide open for the whole league. If you have your best trade in principle worked out and it hinges on Miller's willingness to negotiate a new contact with that trade partner, you need to open up the communication to get that trade complete or miss out. You are not very likely going to get a better return by denying that to every trade partner.
- boonerbuck

You have to think that most teams would have a fairly close idea of Miler's current value. On top of that, they can also wait for most of the coming season to see if that value looks to be there long term or if this year was just a fluke.