You're so woke man. Your parents must be so proud of you.
- Sir_Robot_Farts

What number you want Tony to wear this season?

CF smarter than you think.

All D make at least 5 milish, when RR is playing 3rd pair, no one can say looks at what their paying him and playing on the 3rd pair
- wcorvette

genius wrapped in stupidity = cuck fletcher

So getting away from the Deangelo talk, I see the development camp info was released today....looking at the roster a few players are missing. Jay O'Brien is not there, but I know he just had hip surgery, although we never heard much about that from the Flyers...Bobby Brink isn't listed as attending though either. Is he injured/recovering from injury as well?

Further to that, the release mentions who is running the camp...

"The camp will be run by the Flyers Player Development Staff, which consists of Senior Advisor to the General Manager/Player Development, Mike O'Connell and Director of Player Development, Kjell Samuelsson, as well as John Riley, Brady Robinson and Chris Stewart."

I swear Bill mentioned recently in a post that Samuelsson had a reduced role in development now, but he's still listed here in a key role as the director of player development.....and I thought Chris Stewart was no longer with the organization, but he's back again working at the development camp? Is this info/release from today correct?
- Flyerfan2868

O'Brien is a college player. He may not be allowed to attend.

Yeah, they need to bring Braun back or somebody like him. The entire d-corps is heavily skewed toward offense side of the puck right now.

The right side of the D is scary bad in their own zone w/o Ellis.
- Tomahawk

Nate Prosser to the rescue

CF smarter than you think.

All D make at least 5 milish, when RR is playing 3rd pair, no one can say looks at what their paying him and playing on the 3rd pair
- wcorvette

(but common, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that RR will play third-pair mins)

(Ellis is ded)

The Canes were willing to bring him back at the right price. They obviously weren't willing to pay him what the Flyers did. Good teams will make room for huge net positive players.
- MJL

Fair enough but all you have to do is look at who else they could lose, that tells a story. Then add, AD restricted correct? Then he is a Philly boy, easy to sell the idea for the canes and get picks. To the point, no, he can be replaced but Philly needed someone with his skills, not withstanding the Ghost conversation.

O'Brien is a college player. He may not be allowed to attend.
- MJL

He can attend but must pay his own way -- lodging food healthcare etc I believe

For sure, but can't overstate just how good the Canes were at preventing goals as a team (1st-overall in GA). And it was in spite of Deangelo.
- Tomahawk

Haha. That can go both ways. Fact is he had a better goal against then Slaven at even strength. Did his D partner benefit from DeAngelo’s offensive production? The Fact is the best GAA team in the league got the biggest boost from DeAngelo. When he was on the ice they were at their best as far as GAA.

It's also in part due to his offensive ability.
- MJL

Exactly. Play is going the other way when he is on the ice.

Fair enough but all you have to do is look at who else they could lose, that tells a story. Then add, AD restricted correct? Then he is a Philly boy, easy to sell the idea for the canes and get picks. To the point, no, he can be replaced but Philly needed someone with his skills, not withstanding the Ghost conversation.
- wcorvette

They could want to make room for an in house young dman. They may think that keeping Bear is better value cost wise They may have a free agent or trade in the works where they wont have to spend as much and not take much of loss in production.

Allocate cap space elsewhere. Many possible reasons

He can attend but must pay his own way -- lodging food healthcare etc I believe
- corduroy

So weird that NCAA players can get paid for their likeness, but still have to pay their own way to go to training camps

Haha. That can go both ways. Fact is he had a better goal against then Slaven at even strength. Did his D partner benefit from DeAngelo’s offensive production? The Fact is the best GAA team in the league got the biggest boost from DeAngelo. When he was on the ice they were at their best as far as GAA.
- peesinwind

lol wut?

Exactly. Play is going the other way when he is on the ice.
- ClaudeFather

How do you explain that the Canes gave up a lot more scoring chances when he was on the ice?

They could want to make room for an in house young dman. They may think that keeping Bear is better value cost wise They may have a free agent or trade in the works where they wont have to spend as much and not take much of loss in production.

Allocate cap space elsewhere. Many possible reasons
- hello it's me 2050

Don’t disagree, Canes need to reshuffle, only 1 team won the cup. While we are disappointed about the Flyers, teams like the, Canes, who thought they could go all the way, are really disappointed. Then you add in youth, cost and FA’s in and out. AD, was really an easy choice, he had to good of a year to keep him.

We all cry for skill, this kid is that… who the hell knows what the 3 picks turn into, still to much to give but can’t live in the past

Bill Meltzer: Draft Wrapup: DeAngelo Trade, 2023 and 2024 Picks, 2022 Pick Profiles,
- bmeltzer

LOSERS

Philadelphia Flyers

Carolina took a risk on Tony DeAngelo when they inked him to a one-year, $1 million contract and it largely paid off. It’s telling though that even after he scored 10 goals and 51 points in 64 contests last season, the Hurricanes still opted to move on from him. Instead, Philadelphia decided to acquire him along with the 220th overall pick in exchange for the 101st pick, a 2023 third-round pick, and a 2024 second rounder. They then signed him to a two-year, $10 million contract.

DeAngelo is a controversial defenseman, in part due to his past off-ice issues, but also because he struggles at his own end of the ice. He can help the Flyers on the power play, but for what the Flyers paid to acquire him on top of his cap hit, it seems like a stretch for Philadelphia.

More than that though, it’s another indication that the Flyers seem to have no sense of direction. They don’t appear good enough to be serious competitors, but they’re also allergic to building towards the future. As a result, the team is just stuck in neutral. Over the last 10 seasons they’ve made the playoffs four times, making trades like this that don’t do enough to make them a strong team in the short-term and only serve to hurt them in the long run by trading away potential assets.

As for the draft itself, taking Cutter Gauthier with the fifth overall pick is good. He’s a product, but one who has the potential to develop into a top-six forward. They didn’t have another pick until 69 though and outside of Gauthier, it’s entirely possible that no one they took will play any significant time in the NHL.

https://sports.yahoo.com/...ers-losers-200501703.html

Hit the nail on the head

He can attend but must pay his own way -- lodging food healthcare etc I believe
- corduroy

Correct, they have that 48 hour rule where they must pay for everything after their first 2 days at camp....

I just assumed he wasn't there due to the surgery, but never heard much about the procedure/recovery etc.

Don’t disagree, Canes need to reshuffle, only 1 team won the cup. While we are disappointed about the Flyers, teams like the, Canes, who thought they could go all the way, are really disappointed. Then you add in youth, cost and FA’s in and out. AD, was really an easy choice, he had to good of a year to keep him.
- wcorvette

It's not really about the Canes needing to reshuffle. They move away from players they don't feel have the value that they're market value brings. They're a modern NHL franchise. They aren't going to get bogged down against the cap with mediocre or overvalued players in their view.

It's not really about the Canes needing to reshuffle. They move away from players they don't feel have the value that they're market value brings. They're a modern NHL franchise. They aren't going to get bogged down against the cap with mediocre or overvalued players in their view.
- MJL

Your opinion and there is a case for that but what is real is they have other FA’s they want to keep, they have a cheaper answer to AD AND they are on record saying they wanted to keep AD. It didn’t go well, they gave him permission to shop for a trade, HE came up with Philly

It's also in part due to his offensive ability.
- MJL

All these years posting here I’m shocked that nobody in the NHL has seen your genius yet. Absolutely shocking. Your right on everything you comment about. Hopefully one day the Flyers recognize you and hire you. I’m being serious. A man who recognizes every situation every mistake should be paid millions.

Don’t disagree, Canes need to reshuffle, only 1 team won the cup. While we are disappointed about the Flyers, teams like the, Canes, who thought they could go all the way, are really disappointed. Then you add in youth, cost and FA’s in and out. AD, was really an easy choice, he had to good of a year to keep him.

We all cry for skill, this kid is that… who the hell knows what the 3 picks turn into, still to much to give but can’t live in the past
- wcorvette

labarge bunnyman sushko

Could see CF offering Sanheim for Bertuzzi and them moving JVR with retension while bringing Braun back

Could see CF offering Sanheim for Bertuzzi and them moving JVR with retension while bringing Braun back
- Bayareaflyer

Could be but he mentioned Provy and Sanheim by name when he referenced being solid on left side D

I do think they will most likely move a cap hit that will bring back multiple picks.

oh phillies

Big if true:

Stefen Rosner
@stefen_rosner
I know #Flyers are trying to move Provorov and his $6.75 mil (AAV) over next three years. Going to be tough.

Phillies pull out that nail biter at the end. They’ve now shut out the cards for three straight games…yikes.