If he can co-exist with Torts and they don’t overplay him, I think he brings a lot. He’ll help with the PP, transition and breakout. Pair him with Sanheim. Travis makes everyone look better.
- Minnyhock

I didn't really see him much in the regular season, but I liked the intensity that he played with in the playoffs! As long as he doesn't go over the line I think it's great! It will be a pleasure to watch a hockey team on the ice in Philly again versus a bunch of figure skaters the last couple of years.

If he can co-exist with Torts and they don’t overplay him, I think he brings a lot. He’ll help with the PP, transition and breakout. Pair him with Sanheim. Travis makes everyone look better.
- Minnyhock

So true.

By the way. Cap Friendly still has him listed at 2x years at 5 mil a piece. But Chuck last said no deal yet. Still working it out. Anybody got the word. Did I miss something?

I didn't really see him much in the regular season, but I liked the intensity that he played with in the playoffs! As long as he doesn't go over the line I think it's great! It will be a pleasure to watch a hockey team on the ice in Philly again versus a bunch of figure skaters the last couple of years.
- Phillywhiteout

I agree.

I didn't really see him much in the regular season, but I liked the intensity that he played with in the playoffs! As long as he doesn't go over the line I think it's great! It will be a pleasure to watch a hockey team on the ice in Philly again versus a bunch of figure skaters the last couple of years.
- Phillywhiteout

Over the line. Are you talking DeAngelo or Torts. Haha. Or both for that matter.

If they stay healthy they are a pretty good team. But that is the big ? I love Ellis but if he is not in the line up this team is gonna struggle on the back end. He is there best D man. Provy has the most talent but Ellis is just smart.

Over the line. Are you talking DeAngelo or Torts. Haha. Or both for that matter.

If they stay healthy they are a pretty good team. But that is the big ? I love Ellis but if he is not in the line up this team is gonna struggle on the back end. He is there best D man. Provy has the most talent but Ellis is just smart.
- peesinwind

Ellis is their best dman if he gets back to where he was when they acquired him. Even if that happens, it will take time.

Ellis is their best dman if he gets back to where he was when they acquired him. Even if that happens, it will take time.
- Minnyhock

That will play a factor. But he is good because of his smarts. But it is sure to play a part. The body can’t do what the mind wants it to do it it is t healthy.

On a different note I think they move Lindblom. His contract is moveable with only 3 mil and one year left. Not sure he currently fits on this roster. Hate him being on the 4th line. He is a better player then that.

That will play a factor. But he is good because of his smarts. But it is sure to play a part. The body can’t do what the mind wants it to do it it is t healthy.

On a different note I think they move Lindblom. His contract is moveable with only 3 mil and one year left. Not sure he currently fits on this roster. Hate him being on the 4th line. He is a better player then that.
- peesinwind

What would you envision as a good return for Lindholm?

Over the line. Are you talking DeAngelo or Torts. Haha. Or both for that matter.

If they stay healthy they are a pretty good team. But that is the big ? I love Ellis but if he is not in the line up this team is gonna struggle on the back end. He is there best D man. Provy has the most talent but Ellis is just smart.
- peesinwind

Ha ha, it'll be nice worrying about guys going over the line versus the passive bunch that this team has been over the past few years. If they can somehow get healthy they at the very least will be interesting to watch which is way more than I can say about the past couple of years.

[quote=bmeltzer]
Get ‘em Bill

What would you envision as a good return for Lindholm?
- Minnyhock

Getting rid of lindbloms cap hit without having to get rid of any picks would be great. He’s been just brutal

What would you envision as a good return for Lindholm?
- Minnyhock

I don’t think they get a good return. I think it will be a salary dump.

They need to sign Frost and Tippets. They won’t cost much but they will need a bit of room. Lindblom just doesn’t fit on that left side. I think Frost has more value for what they are going to be able to sign him at. I think they get him around 2.0. Maybe for 3 years.

Getting rid of lindbloms cap hit without having to get rid of any picks would be great. He’s been just brutal
- Richieattack18

He just doesn’t fit on this team right now. He may get back to where he was or even pass it. Kids a quality person for sure. But 3 mil for him last year was difficult to swallow.

My 2 cents.

The people on here that question Bill’s integrity as a journalist make me sick. If you think your not getting good quality then go read something else. But don’t read his stories night after night and then complain that they are biased. Why read them if you don’t trust the source. People hide behind data walls and say what ever and Bill blogs under his own name. He knows Flyer Hockey for sure.

Just saying.

My 2 cents.

The people on here that question Bill’s integrity as a journalist make me sick. If you think your not getting good quality then go read something else. But don’t read his stories night after night and then complain that they are biased. Why read them if you don’t trust the source. People hide behind data walls and say what ever and Bill blogs under his own name. He knows Flyer Hockey for sure.

Just saying.
- peesinwind

I think a few posters think Bill is a Flyer lackey. He’s not. Bill has to walk a line. Jay Greenberg used to assume his readers were intelligent and could read between the lines. Jay didn’t hit you over the head with a shovel. Bill’s trying to do the same thing.

I didn't really see him much in the regular season, but I liked the intensity that he played with in the playoffs! As long as he doesn't go over the line I think it's great! It will be a pleasure to watch a hockey team on the ice in Philly again versus a bunch of figure skaters the last couple of years.
- Phillywhiteout

Busy weekend so just catching up. I feel that as long as he doesn't get into politics or off-ice matters and plays the way he has the past few years, that he will be a great asset to the team. People on here will find any reason they can to complain. Let's see what he does before we judge. Cracks me up that a few are already calling this a horrible move. I'm with you in that we need to have some legit hockey players on this team. And yes, Ghost sucks! Ghost and JVR are my least 2 favorite Flyers in recent memory.

My 2 cents.

The people on here that question Bill’s integrity as a journalist make me sick. If you think your not getting good quality then go read something else. But don’t read his stories night after night and then complain that they are biased. Why read them if you don’t trust the source. People hide behind data walls and say what ever and Bill blogs under his own name. He knows Flyer Hockey for sure.

Just saying.
- peesinwind

I agree. Bill is always fair with his analysis of the team. He provides great insight and is critical when necessary. While it is fine not to agree with everything he posts, those who question his integrity need to get a life. I've said it before, that if I openly bash my bosses in an aggressive and severely negative way, that I'd be fired. Like you said, why read if you don't trust the source.

I think a few posters think Bill is a Flyer lackey. He’s not. Bill has to walk a line. Jay Greenberg used to assume his readers were intelligent and could read between the lines. Jay didn’t hit you over the head with a shovel. Bill’s trying to do the same thing.
- Minnyhock

You nailed it. Luckily, it's a small percentage that that are critical of Bill.

I agree. Bill is always fair with his analysis of the team. He provides great insight and is critical when necessary. While it is fine not to agree with everything he posts, those who question his integrity need to get a life. I've said it before, that if I openly bash my bosses in an aggressive and severely negative way, that I'd be fired. Like you said, why read if you don't trust the source.
- Don Nachbaur

Agreed. I find him more fair and objective than most who cover a franchise. He reports warts and all, despite his fondness for the team.

Read some others out there and tell me he isn’t among the most thorough and trustworthy. Plus, he can back his material up pretty well, whether you share his opinion or not.

Certainly not saying this to win any ‘points’. Meltzer has no idea who I am nor any opinion of me, and frankly, that’s exactly how it should be. He should continue to do his thing despite what any of us clowns say.

What’s the purpose of this move?? Strictly to clear out cap space. If so, your are adding another question mark…who takes Provorov’s minutes. He may not be what we all thought he’d be, but I still think he’s the best defenseman we’ve got.
- Sublime55

It's nonsense. The Flyers could absolutely move Provorov if they so choose. It would be in a hockey trade, not a cap dump. The hard part wouldn't be finding interested teams. The hard part would be finding a trade that makes sense and doesn't rip an even bigger hole in the D. The Flyers aren't exactly swimming in top pair alternatives. Also Sanheim is a season away from UFA status and they aren't going to trade their No. 1 D (whether he's a "true" No. 1 is a separate debate, he's the Flyers No. 1) with their 2nd main minutes eater unsigned past 2022-23.

Agreed. I find him more fair and objective than most who cover a franchise. He reports warts and all, despite his fondness for the team.

Read some others out there and tell me he isn’t among the most thorough and trustworthy. Plus, he can back his material up pretty well, whether you share his opinion or not.

Certainly not saying this to win any ‘points’. Meltzer has no idea who I am nor any opinion of me, and frankly, that’s exactly how it should be. He should continue to do his thing despite what any of us clowns say.
- Hesh_

True, that dude is Shiiitsburgh is the worst homer of all time. I think his name is Ryan Wilson? He is the worst, but what else would you expect from the Penwhines.

Getting rid of lindbloms cap hit without having to get rid of any picks would be great. He’s been just brutal
- Richieattack18

12 goals and 25 points from the day the coaching change was made in December to the end of the season despite: 1) often playing bottom six including much of late season on 4th line; 2) scant PP time; 3) Flyers teamwide problems; 4) Playing banged up for several weeks in 2nd half.

Also, a fair judgement of Lindblom would be to toss out the 2020-21 season. He had just completed chemotherapy and rib removal surgery within the previous calendar year. It was always going to take time, despite fan expectations that he'd simply bounce right back.

Lindblom had a good camp last year; basically looked like his old self and then he struggled mightily the first 10 weeks of the season. Had 0G, 1A on the entire season the day AV was fired. The season was already ruined for him numbers wise. But he did turn things around to an extent the rest of the way.

If he's traded, that's the nature of the business. But simply writing him off as an effective NHLer is a mistake.

Ahh the good old days

It's called goaltending. Look at the numbers. Metric wise defensively, DeAngelo is in the bottom 4% in the league.
- MJL

goaltending has nothing to do with scoring chances against! I have long tried to explain this to you that this metric in and of itself is pretty useless. The only metrics that matter to me is DeAngelo has had two season with over 50 points and he is only 26 years old, and last season he was a+30! You can't have it both ways. You can't praise Slavin with his +35 and say he is great defensively, but then claim DeAngelo with his +30 was a product of good galtending.

I think a few posters think Bill is a Flyer lackey. He’s not. Bill has to walk a line. Jay Greenberg used to assume his readers were intelligent and could read between the lines. Jay didn’t hit you over the head with a shovel. Bill’s trying to do the same thing.
- Minnyhock

goaltending has nothing to do with scoring chances against! I have long tried to explain this to you that this metric in and of itself is pretty useless. The only metrics that matter to me is DeAngelo has had two season with over 50 points and he is only 26 years old, and last season he was a+30! You can't have it both ways. You can't praise Slavin with his +35 and say he is great defensively, but then claim DeAngelo with his +30 was a product of good galtending.
- jd250

Nobody is basing their praise of Slavin on his +/- but you.

Slavin played a ton of minutes without TonyD last season, and in his minutes with Cole and Bear, he was on the ice for far fewer chances and shots against on average.

(His pairing with Bear actually yielded stronger possession #s too)

Tony D also gets taken off the ice in many critical defensive situations, and gets on the ice in offensive situations. That pads his +/-. Meanwhile, Slavin gets double shifted into the defensive zone protecting/holding leads.

+/- is misleading as hell unless you consider context.