On paper. Not so much in reality. They are set up to fail. They have a very, very hard time finding a job. They find a lot of difficulty in adjusting. Often, their POs are pos who are pathological bullies who care only about power tripping. Sometimes, they commit crimes just to get back to a predictable lifestyle they are used to.

I have a friend I have since fallen out with who did 7 years in max security. He studied and graduated in law from a named school, and made dean's list. Could never get his law license in any state. Had problems building credit.

Data bears out these sentiments. The US has of course by far the largest prison pop in the world. It also has a ridiculously high recidivism (back in jail rate) within 3 years. I think It is 60% or something like that.
- PT21

F em. Be a law abiding citizen. Need the death penalty

https://nypost.com/2022/0...will-pay-long-term-price/

We’re told on good authority that Carolina owner Tom Dundon is basically low-balling impending free agents Vincent Trocheck and Nino Niederreiter out of town after already having done so to Tony DeAngelo, which is an interesting way for a win-now operation to operate.

Our information is that DeAngelo, who was an impending restricted free agent, was willing to take a one-year deal with the ’Canes for well under the $5 million AAV he ultimately received on his two-year contract with the Flyers after he’d been traded to Philadelphia. But to no avail.

If he can co-exist with Torts and they don’t overplay him, I think he brings a lot. He’ll help with the PP, transition and breakout. Pair him with Sanheim. Travis makes everyone look better.
- Minnyhock

This wll be your typical media creation stuff. IMO they will be more than fine as they are very similar. Tortt will love his compete and attitude. Which will be a a good thing.

Might even get an A on the jersey, wouldnt that something to rile up the masses....

12 goals and 25 points from the day the coaching change was made in December to the end of the season despite: 1) often playing bottom six including much of late season on 4th line; 2) scant PP time; 3) Flyers teamwide problems; 4) Playing banged up for several weeks in 2nd half.

Also, a fair judgement of Lindblom would be to toss out the 2020-21 season. He had just completed chemotherapy and rib removal surgery within the previous calendar year. It was always going to take time, despite fan expectations that he'd simply bounce right back.

Lindblom had a good camp last year; basically looked like his old self and then he struggled mightily the first 10 weeks of the season. Had 0G, 1A on the entire season the day AV was fired. The season was already ruined for him numbers wise. But he did turn things around to an extent the rest of the way.

If he's traded, that's the nature of the business. But simply writing him off as an effective NHLer is a mistake.
- bmeltzer

Long term would you rather keep Oskar or Tippet?

Nobody is basing their praise of Slavin on his +/- but you.

Slavin played a ton of minutes without TonyD last season, and in his minutes with Cole and Bear, he was on the ice for far fewer chances and shots against on average.

(His pairing with Bear actually yielded stronger possession #s too)

Tony D also gets taken off the ice in many critical defensive situations, and gets on the ice in offensive situations. That pads his +/-. Meanwhile, Slavin gets double shifted into the defensive zone protecting/holding leads.

+/- is misleading as hell unless you consider context.
- Tomahawk

Wouldnt that be expected seeing the type of player Tony D is compared to the other 2? Especially Cole? Tony will clearly take much more risk on the offensive end which will lead to more chances against.

Need to keep it perspective when looking at that stat imo. He isnt as bad as some are making hi out to be on D. He is no stalwart by any means and there will be games where he looks terrible. If the good outweighs the bad on the ice then all good here.

Wouldnt that be expected seeing the type of player Tony D is compared to the other 2? Especially Cole? Tony will clearly take much more risk on the offensive end which will lead to more chances against.

Need to keep it perspective when looking at that stat imo. He isnt as bad as some are making hi out to be on D. He is no stalwart by any means and there will be games where he looks terrible. If the good outweighs the bad on the ice then all good here.
- hello it's me 2050

Stats say he’s bad, he’s bad. That is all

https://www.msn.com/en-us...150614e2dca53b454426438b4

good read for the most part

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/wrong-guy-wrong-time-wrong-reasons-flyers-trade-for-tony-deangelo-is-a-mistake-in-every-way/ar-AAZnJXY?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=b0fc51b150614e2dca53b454426438b4

good read for the most part
- hello it's me 2050

If MSN has a better perspective on where your team is than management you are in trouble . Let’s emphasize poor drafting too. Thanks Hexy

Niskanen retires

Chuck does nothing but sign Gus. Completely redundant with Ghost is on the roster and a horrendous defensive player.

Chuck panics. Due to AV's inability to utilize the attributes that Ghost provides, there is a disconnect and Chuck USES assests to trade Ghost. Then OVERPAYS in a trade for for a impending UFA RR (or the other way, who cares, couldnt trade for RR w/o trading Ghost)

Signs Yandle.....a worse Gus

Trades OVERPAYS with more assets for TDA, who is basically Ghost

WAY TO GO, HARVARD

If MSN has a better perspective on where your team is than management you are in trouble . Let’s emphasize poor drafting too. Thanks Hexy
- ClaudeFather

Seilski is a writer for the Philadelphia Inquirer (the guy Jake called a weasel), MSN is reposting it

Seilski is a writer for the Philadelphia Inquirer, MSN is reposting it
- THE BLACK HAND

Gotcha. Nonetheless, the people running the show here are bafoons. Comcast Flyers for ya.

Long term would you rather keep Oskar or Tippet?
- hello it's me 2050

Maybe we could answer that question by American Thanksgiving. Both guys need to be better. Both have shown in the past to produce….but what you’ve done in the past ain’t helping the Flyers going forward. Clean slate going forward for every guy.

Niskanen retires

Chuck does nothing but sign Gus. Completely redundant with Ghost is on the roster and a horrendous defensive player.

Chuck panics. Due to AV's inability to utilize the attributes that Ghost provides, there is a disconnect and Chuck USES assests to trade Ghost. Then OVERPAYS in a trade for for a impending UFA RR (or the other way, who cares, couldnt trade for RR w/o trading Ghost)

Signs Yandle.....a worse Gus

Trades OVERPAYS with more assets for TDA, who is basically Ghost

WAY TO GO, HARVARD



- THE BLACK HAND

Ghost had zero value. No one wanted him. No issue getting rid of him. You can debate AV was a clown and made him scapegoat which is very valid.

Acquiring RR, didnt have much of an issue despite the over pay. Though did Chuck even look at other dman who were available Was willing to wait and see. Instead of doing what a good GM would do and cut their losses to recoup some picks back he re-signs him to a flat out bad contract.

He did not overpay for Tony D in anyway. Now you can debate whether or not they should be giving up picks. The deal itself is good. Take Tony and his compete and attitude over ghost all day every day.

The bottom line is this organization is completely fn rudderless. Chuck is not a good GM in any way shape or form at the NHL level. How he still has a job leaves me speechless.

Only chance this organization has if is bettman steps in like Silver did with the sixers lol

Maybe we could answer that question by American Thanksgiving. Both guys need to be better. Both have shown in the past to produce….but what you’ve done in the past ain’t helping the Flyers going forward. Clean slate going forward for every guy.
- landros 2

Tippet hasn't shown much production at the NHL level

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/wrong-guy-wrong-time-wrong-reasons-flyers-trade-for-tony-deangelo-is-a-mistake-in-every-way/ar-AAZnJXY?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=b0fc51b150614e2dca53b454426438b4

good read for the most part
- hello it's me 2050

They are rebuilding. No, correction: They should be rebuilding, not retooling. They should be looking to tomorrow, not living for today. They should not be thinking about next season, not in any meaningful, team-building way. They don’t have the organizational talent and depth to be sacrificing draft picks to fill an immediate need, which is all that DeAngelo, even in an ideal scenario, would do.


Seems like an accurate take to me.

https://nypost.com/2022/07/09/blackhawks-other-tanking-nhl-teams-will-pay-long-term-price/

We’re told on good authority that Carolina owner Tom Dundon is basically low-balling impending free agents Vincent Trocheck and Nino Niederreiter out of town after already having done so to Tony DeAngelo, which is an interesting way for a win-now operation to operate.

Our information is that DeAngelo, who was an impending restricted free agent, was willing to take a one-year deal with the ’Canes for well under the $5 million AAV he ultimately received on his two-year contract with the Flyers after he’d been traded to Philadelphia. But to no avail.
- hello it's me 2050

Only Fletcher would sign him to a $5M AAV when others would offer much less

They are rebuilding. No, correction: They should be rebuilding, not retooling. They should be looking to tomorrow, not living for today. They should not be thinking about next season, not in any meaningful, team-building way. They don’t have the organizational talent and depth to be sacrificing draft picks to fill an immediate need, which is all that DeAngelo, even in an ideal scenario, would do.


Seems like an accurate take to me.
- Flyers_01

very accurate.

Only Fletcher would sign him to a $5M AAV when others would offer much less
- Bayareaflyer

If the rumored deal is true, yes imo he should have got him for less. Especially knowing he wanted to play here somewhat.

Only Fletcher would sign him to a $5M AAV when others would offer much less
- Bayareaflyer

There’s nothing wrong with the contract given to TDA, the price to get his rights is different. Especially given the contract is only two years.

There’s nothing wrong with the contract given to TDA, the price to get his rights is different. Especially given the contract is only two years.
- ClaudeFather

On the surface no, being it is Tony D they should get him a little less. Maybe I am wrong.

overall for that production it is fine. Do not expect that production here though imo.

Niskanen retires

Chuck does nothing but sign Gus. Completely redundant with Ghost is on the roster and a horrendous defensive player.

Chuck panics. Due to AV's inability to utilize the attributes that Ghost provides, there is a disconnect and Chuck USES assests to trade Ghost. Then OVERPAYS in a trade for for a impending UFA RR (or the other way, who cares, couldnt trade for RR w/o trading Ghost)

Signs Yandle.....a worse Gus

Trades OVERPAYS with more assets for TDA, who is basically Ghost

WAY TO GO, HARVARD



- THE BLACK HAND

It is starting to feel like he reacts to everything rather then having a plan. Look at MTL in the draft….go get their guy….could have been satisfied with the # 1…no , trade a good young d man for #13, trade it for a really good young centre with size in Dach…love it or hate it ? It’s a plan to retool a team that’s banking on having other young D coming in the pipeline.

Some suggest we cant trade Provy, because theres no replacement after Sanheim who’s a UFA next year….we have kids like Zamula, York and Attard. Do the Flyers have such little faith in the guys coming that you couldn’t move your top d man on the 4th worst team in the NHL if it meant at least having a plan try and build a team for the future.

I was not a big Hextall fan, based strictly on the results, but at least you knew what he was trying to do even if il conceived….Fletcher is driving this team further into mediocracy.

Only Fletcher would sign him to a $5M AAV when others would offer much less
- Bayareaflyer

Other teams aren’t in desperation mode.

Niskanen retires

Chuck does nothing but sign Gus. Completely redundant with Ghost is on the roster and a horrendous defensive player.

Chuck panics. Due to AV's inability to utilize the attributes that Ghost provides, there is a disconnect and Chuck USES assests to trade Ghost. Then OVERPAYS in a trade for for a impending UFA RR (or the other way, who cares, couldnt trade for RR w/o trading Ghost)

Signs Yandle.....a worse Gus

Trades OVERPAYS with more assets for TDA, who is basically Ghost

WAY TO GO, HARVARD



- THE BLACK HAND

He is NOT basically Ghost dumbass!

I count 3 teams. A year in CAR, 4 years with the NYR and now Philly. Even though he changes teams, someone always wants him. So there’s that.
- Minnyhock

Drafted by tampa, traded to Arizona then to rangers to Carolina

It is starting to feel like he reacts to everything rather then having a plan. Look at MTL in the draft….go get their guy….could have been satisfied with the # 1…no , trade a good young d man for #13, trade it for a really good young centre with size in Dach…love it or hate it ? It’s a plan to retool a team that’s banking on having other young D coming in the pipeline.

Some suggest we cant trade Provy, because theres no replacement after Sanheim who’s a UFA next year….we have kids like Zamula, York and Attard. Do the Flyers have such little faith in the guys coming that you couldn’t move your top d man on the 4th worst team in the NHL if it meant at least having a plan try and build a team for the future.

I was not a big Hextall fan, based strictly on the results, but at least you knew what he was trying to do even if il conceived….Fletcher is driving this team further into mediocracy.
- landros 2

I have to agree that it seems Chuckles is basically throwing shiiit at the wall at this point and seeing what sticks. There really seems to be no plan here and it's not a good look.