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THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Jul 10 @ 9:38 AM ET
https://nypost.com/2022/07/09/blackhawks-other-tanking-nhl-teams-will-pay-long-term-price/

We’re told on good authority that Carolina owner Tom Dundon is basically low-balling impending free agents Vincent Trocheck and Nino Niederreiter out of town after already having done so to Tony DeAngelo, which is an interesting way for a win-now operation to operate.

Our information is that DeAngelo, who was an impending restricted free agent, was willing to take a one-year deal with the ’Canes for well under the $5 million AAV he ultimately received on his two-year contract with the Flyers after he’d been traded to Philadelphia. But to no avail.

- hello it's me 2050


Read this this morning. Brooks is wrong...its exactly what Chicago should be doing, but I agree that they didnt get as much back for Debrincat than I thought. Wasnt horrible but should have gotten another prospect from Ottawa
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Jul 10 @ 9:42 AM ET
https://nypost.com/2022/07/09/blackhawks-other-tanking-nhl-teams-will-pay-long-term-price/

We’re told on good authority that Carolina owner Tom Dundon is basically low-balling impending free agents Vincent Trocheck and Nino Niederreiter out of town after already having done so to Tony DeAngelo, which is an interesting way for a win-now operation to operate.

Our information is that DeAngelo, who was an impending restricted free agent, was willing to take a one-year deal with the ’Canes for well under the $5 million AAV he ultimately received on his two-year contract with the Flyers after he’d been traded to Philadelphia. But to no avail.

- hello it's me 2050
Five mil a year is too much for this guy. He had one good year on a good team and should have been signed to a "prove it" deal for 3 mil or even less. Chuckles just doesn't think anything out cause he apparently doesn't have the brain capacity to do such things.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 10 @ 10:03 AM ET
Five mil a year is too much for this guy. He had one good year on a good team and should have been signed to a "prove it" deal for 3 mil or even less. Chuckles just doesn't think anything out cause he apparently doesn't have the brain capacity to do such things.
- Phillywhiteout

Money is a new complaint. The contract seems fair, especially short term but where you’re wrong is by saying he’s had one good season with a good team. Last season was his second best season of his career. The issue is his character. Can he keep his political view in check and boarder line if not full on racism and whether or not he can round out his full game. His defense needs work.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Jul 10 @ 10:05 AM ET
Money is a new complaint. The contract seems fair, especially short term but where you’re wrong is by saying he’s had one good season with a good team. Last season was his second best season of his career. The issue is his character. Can he keep his political view in check and boarder line if not full on racism and whether or not he can round out his full game. His defense needs work.
- SuperSchennBros

He needs to switch parties. Become a democrat then he can share his political views.

Full on racism. More false narratives.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jul 10 @ 10:10 AM ET
Money is a new complaint. The contract seems fair, especially short term but where you’re wrong is by saying he’s had one good season with a good team. Last season was his second best season of his career. The issue is his character. Can he keep his political view in check and boarder line if not full on racism and whether or not he can round out his full game. His defense needs work.
- SuperSchennBros


Show me a racist…I’ll probably be looking at an a-hole. But in this world there’s a lot of a-holes. In his case he’s just been ignorant enough to show it. Unfortunately that does put a different light for me in cheering for the guy….maybe he’ll win me over, as I’m not naive to think there aren’t others just like him….I’d just prefer not to know it.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Jul 10 @ 10:20 AM ET
Show me a racist…I’ll probably be looking at an a-hole. But in this world there’s a lot of a-holes. In his case he’s just been ignorant enough to show it. Unfortunately that does put a different light for me in cheering for the guy….maybe he’ll win me over, as I’m not naive to think there aren’t others just like him….I’d just prefer not to know it.
- landros 2

His political ideologies do not matter to me. What he says/ tweets also not relevant to me.

Being a hockey and Flyers fan, his performance on the ice is what I look at and judge.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jul 10 @ 10:33 AM ET
Pronman



Philadelphia Flyers: B

The Flyers didn’t have a ton of high picks, but the one they did have was an excellent player in Cutter Gauthier at No. 5. I get why some had reservations on this player, but his potential is massive, and if he hits, you have a true foundational player to build around in Philly. After Cutter there wasn’t a ton I was excited about, even if I also see legit upside in Devin Kaplan. This class will be defined by whether Gauthier becomes the player the Flyers think he can be, and I think he has a solid chance to do so.
wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jul 10 @ 10:37 AM ET
Class move have Morin coaching at camp
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Jul 10 @ 10:41 AM ET
Money is a new complaint. The contract seems fair, especially short term but where you’re wrong is by saying he’s had one good season with a good team. Last season was his second best season of his career. The issue is his character. Can he keep his political view in check and boarder line if not full on racism and whether or not he can round out his full game. His defense needs work.
- SuperSchennBros
Well, when he admits that he would have taken a good bit less on a one year deal to stay in Carolina that 5 mil looks like too much to me. And the Flyers need every bit of cap space they can get at this point. I don't care about the political crap one iota. I care about how he performs on the ice! Thanks!
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jul 10 @ 10:43 AM ET
His political ideologies do not matter to me. What he says/ tweets also not relevant to me.

Being a hockey and Flyers fan, his performance on the ice is what I look at and judge.

- furio16


I’m fine with his political views.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 10 @ 10:48 AM ET
Read this this morning. Brooks is wrong...its exactly what Chicago should be doing, but I agree that they didnt get as much back for Debrincat than I thought. Wasnt horrible but should have gotten another prospect from Ottawa
- THE BLACK HAND

I took it as more ripping on the returns for both deals
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jul 10 @ 10:52 AM ET
we know the mandate, AD is the first move towards that end, forget the rebuild shxt for now, what do you do next or what should Chuck do next, who does he move? and who should he bring in? What is your best team?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 10 @ 11:02 AM ET
we know the mandate, AD is the first move towards that end, forget the rebuild shxt for now, what do you do next or what should Chuck do next, who does he move? and who should he bring in? What is your best team?
- wcorvette

He will likely come out on the losing end of a JVR trade is mu prediction. He will not get JG then pivot to Kadri and offer a ton. Will t be enough for Kadri to take?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 10 @ 11:17 AM ET
Class move have Morin coaching at camp
- wcorvette



Im sure someone will female dog about it.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jul 10 @ 11:21 AM ET
Class move have Morin coaching at camp
- wcorvette


That’s great to hear. Poor guy never had a chance due to all those injuries, but he has heart!
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 10 @ 11:25 AM ET
He will likely come out on the losing end of a JVR trade is mu prediction. He will not get JG then pivot to Kadri and offer a ton. Will t be enough for Kadri to take?
- hello it's me 2050



He will need to trade JVR plus. I have serious doubts that anyone takes his full salary unless another player is coming the other way.

Sure Ellis can be LTIR's but that in itself wont be enough. Chuck has some serious moves to make a no leverage to do them.

I would be very surprised if JG comes here.

They still need to sign Frost and Tippet and can't go over $90,250,000 in offseason cap (cap plus 10%) IIRC. They cant even sign Gaudreau if they wanted to (assuming he gets over 9 aav) until trades are made.

Why the (frank) are we here? A cap strapped team forced to make moves just to sign RFA's and nowhere near being a contender.

Fletch needs to be drawn and quartered.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jul 10 @ 11:27 AM ET
He will need to trade JVR plus. I have serious doubts that anyone takes his full salary unless another player is coming the other way.

Sure Ellis can be LTIR's but that in itself wont be enough. Chuck has some serious moves to make a no leverage to do them.

I would be very surprised if JG comes here.

They still need to sign Frost and Tippet and can't go over $90,250,000 in offseason cap (cap plus 10%) IIRC. They cant even sign Gaudreau if they wanted to (assuming he gets over 9 aav) until trades are made.

Why the (frank) are we here? A cap strapped team forced to make moves just to sign RFA's and nowhere near being a contender.

Fletch needs to be drawn and quartered.

- MBFlyerfan

To put fans in the seats
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 10 @ 11:37 AM ET
To put fans in the seats
- ClaudeFather



Some GM will probably come in and throw offer sheets at Tippet and Frost just to screw with them. The Flyers couldn't even match a 3rd round pick level OS at the moment without it screwing everything else.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jul 10 @ 11:48 AM ET
Some GM will probably come in and throw offer sheets at Tippet and Frost just to screw with them. The Flyers couldn't even match a 3rd round pick level OS at the moment without it screwing everything else.

- MBFlyerfan

Haha, if only either of those players were actually good. Patrick Kane now the latest rumor on eks rumor mill. I could see Fletch sending 3 firrst round picks , prospect, and JVR to make it happen.
RajaAmpat
Joined: 12.16.2018

Jul 10 @ 11:50 AM ET
Some GM will probably come in and throw offer sheets at Tippet and Frost just to screw with them. The Flyers couldn't even match a 3rd round pick level OS at the moment without it screwing everything else.

- MBFlyerfan


Hmm, what would be the expected return in draft picks for those players if they did not match..?
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Jul 10 @ 11:53 AM ET
Can’t see Kane under any circumstances waiving to come to the Flyers. Really makes zero sense on his end. He will have much better choices.
RajaAmpat
Joined: 12.16.2018

Jul 10 @ 11:53 AM ET
Haha, if only either of those players were actually good. Patrick Kane now the latest rumor on eks rumor mill. I could see Fletch sending 3 firrst round picks , prospect, and JVR to make it happen.
- ClaudeFather


He may be mistakenly thinking this is the 93-94 NY Rangers...and following that plan style...altered perception of reality.
Bayareaflyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.10.2008

Jul 10 @ 11:55 AM ET
Im sure someone will female dog about it.
- MBFlyerfan

Cole Knuble went undrafted and no invite to the development camp? Where's the Flyers family invite connection?
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Jul 10 @ 11:58 AM ET
Somehow a Kane for JVR plus would feel like retribution..

Until JVR scores against us to win the cup in OT
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 10 @ 11:59 AM ET
He needs to switch parties. Become a democrat then he can share his political views.

Full on racism. More false narratives.

- furio16

How is DeAngelo possibly being a racist a false narrative? Who’s narrative? If his character on race is being questioned and has been questioned for years, why is it being questioned by fans and media at all? I’m seeing Kevin Hayes come to his defense, not Wayne Simmonds, PK Subben, Seth Jones or Evander Kane. I’m not even seeing the player in questioned that DeAngelo bullied come to his defense. Was it K’Andre Miller that young player in question? All I have ever seen is DeAngelo’s father come to his defense/confirm that Tony DeAngelo might be because “that’s how we were raised”…..uhhh…huh?

Someone tell me what narrative is being spun here.
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