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PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jul 10 @ 1:20 PM ET
F em. Be a law abiding citizen. Need the death penalty
- hello it's me 2050


Remember that sentiment when you go prowling by the dumpsters off 18th and Ludlow/Ranstead looking for Asian nookie.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jul 10 @ 1:22 PM ET
Nobody is basing their praise of Slavin on his +/- but you.

Slavin played a ton of minutes without TonyD last season, and in his minutes with Cole and Bear, he was on the ice for far fewer chances and shots against on average.

(His pairing with Bear actually yielded stronger possession #s too)

Tony D also gets taken off the ice in many critical defensive situations, and gets on the ice in offensive situations. That pads his +/-. Meanwhile, Slavin gets double shifted into the defensive zone protecting/holding leads.

+/- is misleading as hell unless you consider context.

- Tomahawk

huh, but scoring changes against is not misleading?? No one thinks DeAngelo is a defensive stall worth, but still being a +30 is nothing to sneeze at either. DeAngelo is an offensive defenseman that can move the puck and QB the power play; that is what he is. He is also working on becoming a better defensive player. I don't understand why so many people get so entrenched in advanced metrics. The bottom line is Carolina proved last year that you can have the best defensive team in the league and also have an offensive defenseman at the same time. So why is this a problem for the Flyers??
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Jul 10 @ 1:24 PM ET
If something didn’t happen…how does it become news so loud, the player in question’s father gets in front of a camera and speaks out for him.

Maybe it didn’t really happen the way it was reported or maybe something happened and the story got twisted, either way, let’s not be naive to believe nothing happened at all.

- SuperSchennBros


The media has a narrative that fuels its profits and it is not always the truth
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jul 10 @ 1:24 PM ET
not sure one is worse than the other...
- wcorvette


I am ..
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jul 10 @ 1:24 PM ET
not sure one is worse than the other...
- wcorvette


doubly sure
Big_E_88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilmington, DE
Joined: 01.17.2014

Jul 10 @ 1:28 PM ET
Thank you Bill for the draft recap. Much appreciated.

I have little doubt that Fletch is aggressively pursuing another big time move like a JG, Kane, Kadri level move. Obviously he will need to create cap space to do so. JVR is a mangey mutt, and him & his contact have negative trade value in today’s NHL. Fletch is literally running out of picks to attach in order to move these bad contracts, and I gotta think even he isn’t dumb enough to give away 1st rounders. So that leaves other roster players that other teams might possibly want. I’m thinking maybe something dumb like JVR with some salary retained & either TK or Provy to a team like Seattle or Arizona for like a 4th rd pick in return. Something like that. It creates cap space and keeps draft picks. Never mind the fact that it’s accepting pennies on the dollar for whoever the non-JVR roster player ends up being. Unfortunately I see that as totally something that Fletch would do
pucks4all
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.01.2011

Jul 10 @ 1:36 PM ET
Some GM will probably come in and throw offer sheets at Tippet and Frost just to screw with them. The Flyers couldn't even match a 3rd round pick level OS at the moment without it screwing everything else.

- MBFlyerfan

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Frost is ineligible for an offer sheet
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jul 10 @ 1:40 PM ET
doubly sure
- PT21



Good for you, you do you
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 10 @ 1:56 PM ET
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Frost is ineligible for an offer sheet
- pucks4all



If that is the case then good.
FloHaake
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Tucson, AZ
Joined: 11.09.2006

Jul 10 @ 2:27 PM ET
Not sure why any of those player would come to his “defense” as I do not think any them has played with him at the pro level. So they do not know him.

Miller and or his Agent denied the accusations that were thrown Tony’s way.

So if you have any racist quotes not that he has said please share.

- furio16


Boy just imagine if Tony was a black player who was outspoken about Black Lives Matter and also was known to be a bully and an bumhole to teammates up to and including physical altercations.

I’d love to see the “second chance” crowd and what they’d have to say. Especially since his “second chance” came back in juniors lmao.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 10 @ 2:30 PM ET
Boy just imagine if Tony was a black player who was outspoken about Black Lives Matter and also was known to be a bully and an bumhole to teammates up to and including physical altercations.

I’d love to see the “second chance” crowd and what they’d have to say. Especially since his “second chance” came back in juniors lmao.

- FloHaake

Black players have been outspoken about Black Lives Matter. What wrong with that? I get the majority of posters on this board are white and are Experts on the subject. He’s not racist, he’s just an bumhole. Oh, well that’s a game changer then.
FloHaake
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Tucson, AZ
Joined: 11.09.2006

Jul 10 @ 2:30 PM ET
Tony made his politics my business. Not the other way around. And yeah, when some rich white bumhole from Philly is yelling about Trump nonsense “Build that wall” and what have you, yeah I’m gonna not like you. I live 60 miles from your beautiful wall. (frank) you. My wife is the daughter of a Mexican immigrant and Mexican mother.

Tony made it my business to say “you know what? I know all I have to know about this man.”

Nah but I’m a bleeding heart I guess just looking to break down an honest man.

Sell the team immediately.
FloHaake
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Tucson, AZ
Joined: 11.09.2006

Jul 10 @ 2:31 PM ET
Black players have been outspoken about Black Lives Matter. What wrong with that?
- SuperSchennBros


Nothing to me, but to Tony D lovers, it means everything. Don’t be obtuse.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 10 @ 2:34 PM ET
Nothing to me, but to Tony D lovers, it means everything. Don’t be obtuse.
- FloHaake

I get the feeling the majority of posters on this board are white and are experts on the subject. “He’s not racist, he’s just an bumhole.” Oh, well that’s a game changer then.

I am black and I’ve heard not so great things about this guy well before he got here, which gives me pause. Now sure, what I heard could be wrong. I’ll cheer no different if he scores a game winning goal. My issue has become less about him (because maybe he is innocent) and more about people brushing the possibly off as if it’s impossible. That in itself is ignorant.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Jul 10 @ 2:42 PM ET
Nothing to me, but to Tony D lovers, it means everything. Don’t be obtuse.
- FloHaake


"Obtuse! You're being obtuse!"
jmdodgeser4
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.26.2009

Jul 10 @ 2:50 PM ET
Tony made his politics my business. Not the other way around. And yeah, when some rich white bumhole from Philly is yelling about Trump nonsense “Build that wall” and what have you, yeah I’m gonna not like you. I live 60 miles from your beautiful wall. (frank) you. My wife is the daughter of a Mexican immigrant and Mexican mother.

Tony made it my business to say “you know what? I know all I have to know about this man.”

Nah but I’m a bleeding heart I guess just looking to break down an honest man.

Sell the team immediately.

- FloHaake


Most Mexicans support the wall that has been built under numerous presidents in history including Obama. It’s called border security. Right now we are being over run by illegals and more importantly drugs. Biden is employee of the month for drug cartels.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Jul 10 @ 2:52 PM ET
Tony made his politics my business. Not the other way around. And yeah, when some rich white bumhole from Philly is yelling about Trump nonsense “Build that wall” and what have you, yeah I’m gonna not like you. I live 60 miles from your beautiful wall. (frank) you. My wife is the daughter of a Mexican immigrant and Mexican mother.

Tony made it my business to say “you know what? I know all I have to know about this man.”

Nah but I’m a bleeding heart I guess just looking to break down an honest man.

Sell the team immediately.

- FloHaake

Would you recommend old El Paso or Ortega taco shells?
FloHaake
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Tucson, AZ
Joined: 11.09.2006

Jul 10 @ 2:53 PM ET
I get the feeling the majority of posters on this board are white and are experts on the subject. “He’s not racist, he’s just an bumhole.” Oh, well that’s a game changer then.
- SuperSchennBros


And there’s my point.

This is an organization that is now so far behind they have no chance the next decade. This trade was desperate, terrible and underneath it all, a way to convince the diehards that they’re really trying to get the team exciting.

“hey we got the local boy on the team and wow does he have some controversial opinions!”

It’s organizational flailing. The fact that this is even a controversial take at this point is surprising.

Put the rest of the baggage on top and wow, you’re all dreaming.
FloHaake
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Tucson, AZ
Joined: 11.09.2006

Jul 10 @ 2:54 PM ET
Most Mexicans support the wall that has been built under numerous presidents in history including Obama. It’s called border security. Right now we are being over run by illegals and more importantly drugs. Biden is employee of the month for drug cartels.
- jmdodgeser4


Oh yeah we are fighting em off down here in Tucson I gotta stay strapped because of all the “bad hombres”
FloHaake
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Tucson, AZ
Joined: 11.09.2006

Jul 10 @ 2:56 PM ET
Would you recommend old El Paso or Ortega taco shells?
- furio16


TONY SAID NOTHING RACIST
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 10 @ 2:56 PM ET
And there’s my point.

This is an organization that is now so far behind they have no chance the next decade. This trade was desperate, terrible and underneath it all, a way to convince the diehards that they’re really trying to get the team exciting.

“hey we got the local boy on the team and wow does he have some controversial opinions!”

It’s organizational flailing. The fact that this is even a controversial take at this point is surprising.

Put the rest of the baggage on top and wow, you’re all dreaming.

- FloHaake

They’re making it impossible to defend them. Nobody wants to hate their team.
jmdodgeser4
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.26.2009

Jul 10 @ 2:56 PM ET
Oh yeah we are fighting em off down here in Tucson I gotta stay strapped because of all the “bad hombres”
- FloHaake


I’m only stating facts. Most are sickened by what’s happening down at the border including all the innocent migrants losing their lives. But I’m also very sure you support our help with Ukraine to keep their border and sovereignty, right ?
FloHaake
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Tucson, AZ
Joined: 11.09.2006

Jul 10 @ 2:57 PM ET
Most Mexicans support the wall that has been built under numerous presidents in history including Obama. It’s called border security. Right now we are being over run by illegals and more importantly drugs. Biden is employee of the month for drug cartels.
- jmdodgeser4


“More importantly drugs”

Yea the war on drugs has been awesome too let’s put more resources into that.

FloHaake
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Tucson, AZ
Joined: 11.09.2006

Jul 10 @ 2:58 PM ET
I’m only stating facts. Most are sickened by what’s happening down at the border including all the innocent migrants losing their lives. But I’m also very sure you support our help with Ukraine to keep their border and sovereignty, right ?
- jmdodgeser4


A fact is not “most Mexicans support…” that is purely anecdotal and the furthest thing from a majority opinion . Just because a dude at work said “yeah I’m Mexican and I like the wall” doesn’t make it a fact.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Jul 10 @ 2:59 PM ET
TONY SAID NOTHING RACIST
- FloHaake

orale arriba la raza
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