Offensive defenseman, former ranger and friend of Hayes. I understand the trade now.
- SuperSchennBros

I'm not really defending Chuck here, but this guy is a better player than Ghost. Ghost was on waivers and no one wanted him. He played well in Arizona last year and still no one wanted him at the trade deadline. I didn't like giving up a second rounder to get rid of Ghost(don't really care about the 7th rounder), but this team needed a player like this guy to improve on the backend. I'm not really defending the trade, but from a hockey standpoint this guy fills a need. He played on Carolina's first pair last season and was a +30(probably skewed some cause he played for Carolina). He was their undisputed QB on the PP and it was very good. I always thought Ghost was overrated as a QB on the PP to be honest.
- Phillywhiteout

That's simply not true. They're pretty much the same player. DeAngelo was poor defensively last season and just average on the PP. I'll make a better judgement when I see him play more but from the limited viewing I've seen. Gostisbehere is better defensively. At least Gostisbehere defends well in transition and at the blue line.

That's simply not true. They're pretty much the same player. DeAngelo was poor defensively last season and just average on the PP. I'll make a better judgement when I see him play more but from the limited viewing I've seen. Gostisbehere is better defensively. At least Gostisbehere defends well in transition and at the blue line.
- MJL

Wait until he learns that TDA was waived and the entire league passed on him too

😂

Not a defense of Fletcher, but is it him or is it demands from corporate to keep the team relevant and him essentially having to be Homer to satisfy them.
- Flyers1218

To me if a GM is just a sheep following the wishes of non hockey direction. He's not much of a GM or a man. Stand up and tell your superiors what needs to happen and what the correct direction to take the team is.

I would go with this approach as well, personally. But he is being set up to fail in this town. He will need to be Nick Lidstrom perfect to escape that inevitability.

I am more disappointed with what arichardson22 said about chants in Flyers home games. Just suggests to me what I have been suspecting for awhile even more strongly: that the Flyers degeneration is not just confined to franchise but also the kind of people they are appealing to more and more. They are already a very distant 4rth in support in the city, and in 5-10 years time, I suspect they will be a fringe group, like the Union was 10 odd years ago.
- PT21

Why am I not surprised that you would make disgusting comments and judge people from a distance based on unhappiness with the way things are. That points to the kind of person that you are.

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Christ, that's a catastrophic right side in their own zone.

He was a kid when he said those things, people make mistakes. I know you are perfect and never said something you regret, especially when you were young. Want me to post moments of most of your liberal heroes, as adults, doing worse things than what you are condemning this guy for?
- darkerens

He did make some bone head comments, but I’ll take a wait and see approach. On the ice he can really help. I did see him lose it a few times in the playoffs. As he gets older he will have to continue to mature and not get sucked in to dumb penalties….guys will continue to bait him if he continues to react. Not exactly the “aggressive retool” I envisioned on draft day.

Wait until he learns that TDA was waived and the entire league passed on him too

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- Tomahawk

Dumb comparison by you. TDA was on waivers cause of unsavory things that he did on the side. Ghost was on waivers cause he sucked and no one wanted him.

Bill Meltzer: Draft Wrapup: DeAngelo Trade, 2023 and 2024 Picks, 2022 Pick Profiles,
- bmeltzer

TL:DR

That's simply not true. They're pretty much the same player. DeAngelo was poor defensively last season and just average on the PP. I'll make a better judgement when I see him play more but from the limited viewing I've seen. Gostisbehere is better defensively. At least Gostisbehere defends well in transition and at the blue line.
- MJL

I know you're a Ghost guy, but he sucks. Defends well in transition and at the blueline? What do you watch. He's also a terrible QB on the PP. Good defensemen know that the object on the PP is to get the puck through to the net for deflections and possible rebounds(along with setting up the scorers up front). The only thing Ghost knew how to do was try to blast the puck through the back boards and he missed the net and killed the play 99% of the time. I watch the game with my eyes. I really don't need you to tell me what is and isn't. Thanks!

Dumb comparison by you. TDA was on waivers cause of unsavory things that he did on the side. Ghost was on waivers cause he sucked and no one wanted him.
- Phillywhiteout

No actually it was dumb of you to claim that one of the reasons why you think DeAngelo is better is because Gostisbehere was waived and nobody claimed him. You were ignorant to the fact that the same thing happened with DeAngelo. It shows plainly that along with the rest of your comments. That you are uninformed on both players.

No actually it was dumb of you to claim that one of the reasons why you think DeAngelo is better is because Gostisbehere was waived and nobody claimed him. You were ignorant to the fact that the same thing happened with DeAngelo. It shows plainly that along with the rest of your comments. That you are uninformed on both players.
- MJL

What planet are you from dude? One guy was waived cause he sucked and was making too much money against the cap, and the other guy was waived cause of issues off the ice. What can't you get about that? Ghost sucks!! He wants to free lance and he's a coach killer and I'm glad he's out in the desert. Thanks again!

I know you're a Ghost guy, but he sucks. Defends well in transition and at the blueline? What do you watch. He's also a terrible QB on the PP. Good defensemen know that the object on the PP is to get the puck through to the net for deflections and possible rebounds. The only thing Ghost knew how to do was try to blast the puck through the back boards and he missed the net and killed the play 99% of the time. I watch the game with my eyes. I really don't need you to tell me what is and isn't. Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

In order for watching the game with your eyes to mean anything. One has to know what they're looking at.

Last season, Gostisbehere had 2 PP goals and 19 PP points. DeAngelo had 2 PP goals and 20 PP points.

What planet are you from dude? One guy was waived cause he sucked and was making too much money against the cap, and the other guy was waived cause of issues off the ice. What can't you get about that? Ghost sucks!! He wants to free lance and he's a coach killer and I'm glad he's out in the desert. Thanks again!
- Phillywhiteout

You're embarrassing yourself.

In order for watching the game with your eyes to mean anything. One has to know what they're looking at.

Last season, Gostisbehere had 2 PP goals and 19 PP points. DeAngelo had 2 PP goals and 20 PP points.
- MJL

He we go again with Mr. stats man. Ghost played well last year in the desert with no pressure and a sucky team. Congrats to him. He sucked his last 2 years in Philly and that's what I go by. I had to watch him night after night and it was torture most nights. I guess you won't mention the fact that DeAngelo was a +30 last year? Ghost wouldn't be a +30 on a high school hockey team.

You're embarrassing yourself.
- MJL

Gee, I've never heard this before. Your go to phrase when someone has the gonads to disagree with the captain on here. You embarrass yourself on here most days. I highly doubt you ever even strapped on a pair of skates. This just in, the game isn't played on paper the way you seem to think it is. Thanks!

He we go again with Mr. stats man. Ghost played well last year in the desert with no pressure and a sucky team. Congrats to him. He sucked his last 2 years in Philly and that's what I go by. I had to watch him night after night and it was torture most nights. I guess you won't mention the fact that DeAngelo was a +30 last year? Ghost wouldn't be a +30 on a high school hockey team.
- Phillywhiteout

You're about to watch DeAngelo night after night playing not on a strong contending top defensive puck possession team but on the Flyers.

You're about to watch DeAngelo night after night playing not on a strong contending top defensive puck possession team but on the Flyers.
- MJL

You may end up being right here. I'm well aware that his stats may be skewed because of the team he played on. This could end up being a horrible trade. I guess my point is that I'd rather see what this guy can do than try to compare his game to Ghost. At least this guy can QB a PP and actually win some puck battles in his own zone. Ghost would lose a puck battle to Aunt Suzy and I had seen enough!

Gee, I've never heard this before. Your go to phrase when someone has the gonads to disagree with the captain on here. You embarrass yourself on here most days. I highly doubt you ever even strapped on a pair of skates. This just in, the game isn't played on paper the way you seem to think it is. Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

You reinforced my point. Thanks

You may end up being right here. I'm well aware that his stats may be skewed because of the team he played on. This could end up being a horrible trade. I guess my point is that I'd rather see what this guy can do than try to compare his game to Ghost. At least this guy can QB a PP and actually win some puck battles in his own zone. Ghost would lose a puck battle to Aunt Suzy and I had seen enough!
- Phillywhiteout

You don't seem to understand that DeAngelo is not the PP point man that you think he is and is not better than Gostisbehere. You also don't seem to understand that DeAngelo is horrendous defensively and is even a lesser defender than Gostisbehere is.

Good morning my fellow Americans and human beings.

Very excited to see what chuck can do to give this team a face lift.

You don't seem to understand that DeAngelo is not the PP point man that you think he is and is not better than Gostisbehere. You also don't seem to understand that DeAngelo is horrendous defensively and is even a lesser defender than Gostisbehere is.
- MJL

That is your opinion cliff. You said you only seen limited games. Ghost did nothing his last few years here.

Tony D is not horrendous defensively. What type of PP point man is he since you didn't see him play much? Educate us all.

From a hockey perspective not sure how/why anyone doesn't like this move.

You don't seem to understand that DeAngelo is not the PP point man that you think he is and is not better than Gostisbehere. You also don't seem to understand that DeAngelo is horrendous defensively and is even a lesser defender than Gostisbehere is.
- MJL

I find that very hard to believe and his stats from last year don't indicate that at all. He played on Carolina's top pairing last year and was a +30. Ghost was tried on the top pairing with the Flyers and he was an absolute disaster. Also, the guy that covers the Canes (name escapes me) said that the Canes PP took a major hit when DeAngelo went down with an injury for awhile.

DeAngelo is a more well rounded player at this point. Not a rest it all on +- guy but DeAngelo was +30 and ghost was -54. The knock on Ghost was his difficulty in his own zone. DeAngelo is no poop down defender but I think he has shored that end up a bit. By the way. I still think Ghost is a talented player. Just weak defensively.
- peesinwind

DeAngelo is a more well rounded player at this point. Not a rest it all on +- guy but DeAngelo was +30 and ghost was -54. The knock on Ghost was his difficulty in his own zone. DeAngelo is no poop down defender but I think he has shored that end up a bit. By the way. I still think Ghost is a talented player. Just weak defensively.
- peesinwind

Cliff disagrees and says you are wrong.