The slurs may have gone into the decision by the Rangers to waive him but it wasn't the catalyst.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...-say-he-wont-be-back.html

Gorton said he spoke with DeAngelo after that game and indicated that if there were further issues, “the time is going to come where we’re going to put you on waivers and move on.”

“I just felt like this was becoming a distraction and we’re trying to stay true to our word here,” Gorton said.

DeAngelo is on his 5th chance, not his second or his third. The people defending him are only defending him due to his on ice talent. Despite what people would like you to believe it's not "good guys who made mistakes" who get second chances. It's talented guys that get third, fourth, and fifth chances. If DeAngelo was a 3rd round pick who played on the 3rd pairing defensive dman, how many chances do you think he would've gotten?

Vick was considered a generational QB at the time and Andy Reid, whose sons are/were drug addicts is/were incapable of taking a stand due to how messed up his kids are. He was widely hailed as compassionate for giving multiple chances to players but in reality he just was unable to hold players and his kids accountable.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=3089753

A judge who sentenced Philadelphia Eagles coach Andy Reid's sons to jail on Thursday likened the coach's home to "a drug emporium" and questioned whether his adult sons should live there.

"There isn't any structure there that this court can depend upon," Montgomery County Judge Steven O'Neill said before sentencing 22-year-old Britt Reid to up to 23 months in jail plus probation.

"I'm saying this is a family in crisis," O'Neill said.

Teams and fans are/were willing to look the other way until ...

Former Chiefs assistant linebacker coach Britt Reid on Monday pleaded not guilty to felony DWI in relation to a Feb. 4 car crash where he struck a stalled roadside vehicle near the Chiefs' facility. The crash injured two children, including 5-year-old Ariel Young, who suffered brain injuries as a result.

Britt was only a member of the Chiefs and not in rehab or jail because the team was willing to be a nanny to his kid (until they slipped up) because they wanted to keep the talent happy and those kids paid the penalty, not Reid.

Sorry, I got a bit off topic. Anyway, the Rangers didn't get rid of DeAngelo because of the slurs. I would delve a little deeper into all the off ice issues that caused the Rangers to waive him. That was only 2 years ago.

Talent over character always wins, don't let anyone tell you different.

I find that very hard to believe and his stats from last year don't indicate that at all. He played on Carolina's top pairing last year and was a +30. Ghost was tried on the top pairing with the Flyers and he was an absolute disaster. Also, the guy that covers the Canes (name escapes me) said that the Canes PP took a major hit when DeAngelo went down with an injury for awhile.
- Phillywhiteout

Gostisbehere was not a disaster on the Flyers top pairing. He and Provorov actually played well together. Again, you don't seem to understand that DeAngelo is not superior to Gostisbehere on the PP.

Just gonna throw this out there too since there seems to be a little too much intolerance in Tony d signing for my liking.


What about the Canadian hockey player fiasco quietly going on? What if hart was one of the players involved?


Does he get hung? From all accounts he’s a stand up almost choir boy. What if he’s involved but didn’t know the girl was somewhat resisting?

I mean he’s been on 5 teams since 2016.

Does he get hung?

And that’s by far worse than what Tony d did.



Curious to thoughts



And I hope to god he wasn’t one of the players
- Stayin alive

You've been trying to tie Hart to this since it was first reported. Just (frank)ing stop it until some proof or direct allegations come out. You're (frank)ed up.

All the hand wringing over what TD said years ago.
What do you expect he is an offensive defenseman after all.

I got nothing else thanks for coming out I’ll be here all week.

DeAngelo is on his 5th chance, not his second or his third
- Flyers_01

How are you determining this?

You don't seem to understand that DeAngelo is not the PP point man that you think he is and is not better than Gostisbehere. You also don't seem to understand that DeAngelo is horrendous defensively and is even a lesser defender than Gostisbehere is.
- MJL

I really didn't watch him much last season, I watched him a little in the playoffs, I will say he competes very hard. I do think his play will slip with the whole Flyers VS Canes thing but I do think he should get some credit for what he accomplished last season. Yes he played on a very good team, but he did play 19 minutes a night, he did play top pair a good bit, it seems. You don't play top pair in this league, come out +30 and not have a good season, he was bolstered by the team and his partner but he was a part, they succeeded with him not in spite of him. I assume that is why the Canes wanted him back. He had what, 31 EV points, so he is not just a PP specialist.

I am on record that Provy and other good Flyer players have been impacted by the Shxt show that is the Flyers, the same is possible for AD, but it is also possible that the Flyers now have D that can really move the puck, a D that most likely will spend less time defending, we might even see real center breakouts, not board chip breakouts.

A lot to pay for AD, especially when the team has so many more holes, they need CAP space and 2 impact forwards to be a solid playoff contender, yea, not a SC contender but this is the mandate. I am a realist, CF is going to do what he has to do in the vein of what his bosses want. As long as that is true, I hope he keeps the team young, pick up kids around 25 or lower, heading into their prime, that have skating, skill and high compete level. We are fans and will be fans when the puck drops, you hope for the best, even if it is not the direction you prefer.

If they sign JG, which I don't buy right now, then try to add another, they will have to move JVR, Lindblom and probably Laughton. Or they will have to move a player like TK for picks. The scary thing is they can make it work. You pray who they add is highly skilled and younger, you pray if they sell a TK that they load up on higher picks for 23-24 drafts. The more it changes the more it stays the same, Flyers fans left praying for something good.


On a good note- I do think they are healthier this year, I do think they Flyers will have real good depth, solid bottom 6 depth and for short periods solid middle 6 depth.

Wonder if they will have Tony D room with Wisdom and Kaplan during camp.

Why am I not surprised that you would make disgusting comments and judge people from a distance based on unhappiness with the way things are. That points to the kind of person that you are.
- MJL

The incident(s) in question were a first hand recounting by an even keeled and extremely decent poster. I alluded to the fact that there were others, and you have no way of knowing whether those others were first hand or not.

And Philly is not the kind of town where you would hear political slogans being repeatedly chanted in sporting events, for either side, from a random sample. I went to several Eagles games last year, and Sixers games, and I attended the recent series against the Braves. Heard nothing like that ever.

In other words, Flyers are not drawing a random sample of sports fans from the area. They are drawing a crowd from more disaffected folks, who indulge publicly in such behavior, and that is simply a more reasoned way of saying exactly what I did earlier.

Of course you, with your mile high inferiority complex, and your belief that you can overcome it by posting 50 times a day, will not be convinced by reason and will respond incessantly, no doubt accompanied by imbecilish emojis.

I will not stand between you and that belief, nor will I read or respond.

I really didn't watch him much last season, I watched him a little in the playoffs, I will say he competes very hard. I do think his play will slip with the whole Flyers VS Canes thing but I do think he should get some credit for what he accomplished last season. Yes he played on a very good team, but he did play 19 minutes a night, he did play top pair a good bit, it seems. You don't play top pair in this league, come out +30 and not have a good season, he was bolstered by the team and his partner but he was a part, they succeeded with him not in spite of him. I assume that is why the Canes wanted him back. He had what, 31 EV points, so he is not just a PP specialist.

I am on record that Provy and other good Flyer players have been impacted by the Shxt show that is the Flyers, the same is possible for AD, but it is also possible that the Flyers now have D that can really move the puck, a D that most likely will spend less time defending, we might even see real center breakouts, not board chip breakouts.

A lot to pay for AD, especially when the team has so many more holes, they need CAP space and 2 impact forwards to be a solid playoff contender, yea, not a SC contender but this is the mandate. I am a realist, CF is going to do what he has to do in the vein of what his bosses want. As long as that is true, I hope he keeps the team young, pick up kids around 25 or lower, heading into their prime, that have skating, skill and high compete level. We are fans and will be fans when the puck drops, you hope for the best, even if it is not the direction you prefer.

If they sign JG, which I don't buy right now, then try to add another, they will have to move JVR, Lindblom and probably Laughton. Or they will have to move a player like TK for picks. The scary thing is they can make it work. You pray who they add is highly skilled and younger, you pray if they sell a TK that they load up on higher picks for 23-24 drafts. The more it changes the more it stays the same, Flyers fans left praying for something good.


On a good note- I do think they are healthier this year, I do think they Flyers will have real good depth, solid bottom 6 depth and for short periods solid middle 6 depth.
- wcorvette

I will add I think his attitude and Torts mentality will fit well together. 2 people who go balls to the wall. Dare I say Torts maybe even pushed a little for it.

TL:DR
- penguininnevada

penguininnevada:DR

All the hand wringing over what TD said years ago.
What do you expect he is an offensive defenseman after all.

I got nothing else thanks for coming out I’ll be here all week.
- bird_dog_pa

😂

You've been trying to tie Hart to this since it was first reported. Just (frank)ing stop it until some proof or direct allegations come out. You're (frank)ed up.
- rayc16

Knowing some of the details….I’d be shocked if Hart was involved in anyway. Hockey Canada botched this entire thing…and in today’s world you simply can’t push things under the rug. Now that it’s being politically challenged it will get dealt with.

The incident(s) in question were a first hand recounting by an even keeled and extremely decent poster. I alluded to the fact that there were others, and you have no way of knowing whether those others were first hand or not.

And Philly is not the kind of town where you would hear political slogans being repeatedly chanted in sporting events, for either side, from a random sample. I went to several Eagles games last year, and Sixers games, and I attended the recent series against the Braves. Heard nothing like that ever.

In other words, Flyers are not drawing a random sample of sports fans from the area. They are drawing a crowd from more disaffected folks, who indulge publicly in such behavior, and that is simply a more reasoned way of saying exactly what I did earlier.

Of course you, with your mile high inferiority complex, and your belief that you can overcome it by posting 50 times a day, will not be convinced by reason and will respond incessantly, no doubt accompanied by imbecilish emojis.

I will not stand between you and that belief, nor will I read or respond.
- PT21

When will you accept you are wrong and Cliff is correct?

Elaborate in bold if you will as want to make sure I now what you mean

I would go with this approach as well, personally. But he is being set up to fail in this town. He will need to be Nick Lidstrom perfect to escape that inevitability.

I am more disappointed with what arichardson22 said about chants in Flyers home games. Just suggests to me what I have been suspecting for awhile even more strongly: that the Flyers degeneration is not just confined to franchise but also the kind of people they are appealing to more and more. They are already a very distant 4rth in support in the city, and in 5-10 years time, I suspect they will be a fringe group, like the Union was 10 odd years ago.
- PT21

I don't fully understand, are you saying a large part of the fan base have questionable character and it will continue to grow?

The incident(s) in question were a first hand recounting by an even keeled and extremely decent poster. I alluded to the fact that there were others, and you have no way of knowing whether those others were first hand or not.

And Philly is not the kind of town where you would hear political slogans being repeatedly chanted in sporting events, for either side, from a random sample. I went to several Eagles games last year, and Sixers games, and I attended the recent series against the Braves. Heard nothing like that ever.

In other words, Flyers are not drawing a random sample of sports fans from the area. They are drawing a crowd from more disaffected folks, who indulge publicly in such behavior, and that is simply a more reasoned way of saying exactly what I did earlier.

Of course you, with your mile high inferiority complex, and your belief that you can overcome it by posting 50 times a day, will not be convinced by reason and will respond incessantly, no doubt accompanied by imbecilish emojis.

I will not stand between you and that belief, nor will I read or respond.
- PT21

You know, I completely disagree with most of what you post and what your beliefs are but I never thought of you as unintelligent. Just indoctrinated. For you to classify a group of people based on a report second hand from a party. With a chant expressing their frustration on the situation in their daily life. Well that's just plain stupid and ignorant. You have no standing to judge me and your opinion of me couldn't be more irrelevant. It has zero basis in regards to my self worth

All the hand wringing over what TD said years ago.
What do you expect he is an offensive defenseman after all.

I got nothing else thanks for coming out I’ll be here all week.
- bird_dog_pa

I see what ya did there! Nicely done!

I don't fully understand, are you saying a large part of the fan base have questionable character and it will continue to grow?
- wcorvette

That's what he does. If someone disagrees with him politically or how he sees the world. Then you are a degenerate and a lesser class of person.

Knowing some of the details….I’d be shocked if Hart was involved in anyway. Hockey Canada botched this entire thing…and in today’s world you simply can’t push things under the rug. Now that it’s being politically challenged it will get dealt with.
- landros 2

It should be dealt with.

This poster several times has posted "what if Hart was involved" or something similar, trying to get it in people's mind that Hart was involved without any proof or report that he was is just negligent.

Wait until he learns that TDA was waived and the entire league passed on him too

😂
- Tomahawk

[quote=Flyers_01]

Andy was/is a workaholic. Many football coaches are. I remember when Jon Gruden would come to work a little after 3 in the morning, leading to him being called John 3:16.

So he probably neglected his family. But Andy is known to be very compassionate guy as a coach. I am digressing on your digression but since you bought it up...

You may end up being right here. I'm well aware that his stats may be skewed because of the team he played on. This could end up being a horrible trade. I guess my point is that I'd rather see what this guy can do than try to compare his game to Ghost. At least this guy can QB a PP and actually win some puck battles in his own zone. Ghost would lose a puck battle to Aunt Suzy and I had seen enough!
- Phillywhiteout

I don't fully understand, are you saying a large part of the fan base have questionable character and it will continue to grow?
- wcorvette

Flyers are drawing disproportionately from the riff raff section (does not mean everyone is riff raff, ofc not saying that). This is surely correlated with the on ice product. But I don't know what leads to what. Their fan base is aging.

Put lack of sporting success + stagnation + aging fan base + drawing higher fraction of riff raff = growing marginalization as a sporting entity.

You may disagree, but you have to admit I provide a reason for my pov.

Offensive defenseman, former ranger and friend of Hayes. I understand the trade now.
- SuperSchennBros

It will be disappointing of JG doesn't sign with Philly this offseason for this one reason alone.

How are you determining this?
- MJL

You have me there. Fifth NHL team, not Fifth chance. I could argue that every off-ice incident or publicized on ice incidents that the teams looked the other way consist of a chance but I am not going to get drawn into a marathon session.

Let's leave it as he's had chances and as recently as his 3rd team, 2 years ago, he was radioactive but talented.

Flyers are drawing disproportionately from the riff raff section (does not mean everyone is riff raff, ofc not saying that). This is surely correlated with the on ice product. But I don't know what leads to what. Their fan base is aging.

Put lack of sporting success + stagnation + aging fan base + drawing higher fraction of riff raff = growing marginalization as a sporting entity.

You may disagree, but you have to admit I provide a reason for my pov.
- PT21

I do agree there are fans that take it to far, how you frame it suggest it sizable portion of the fan base that will continue to grow, what data do you have to support your opinion? Any data that shows it is any different than what other franchises experience when their teams are shxting the bed? How is this being measured? Who determines what is being said fits into this category?