Has Tuch ceased to exist?

How about the other quality forwards the Sabres have?

The point is they have depth now, which has not been the case in the past.

That means better support if any UFA's are brought in, both for the players already here and the ones brought in.
- kingcong39

Tuch is a 60 point winger

Love the guy but if we are talking like the man as in a “leader” then Tuch is it, but if we are talking about “the franchise guy” Tuch isn’t it.

Tage. Tuch. Dahlin.



It’s raining mens…
- Gr8daygo

The only one of those three that has the ability to be the difference maker is Dahlin and he hasn’t reached that level yet.

If Tage can pot 40 and get 30 assists then I’d feel better. But it’s only been one year.

The Sabres don’t have “the man” now unless you’re assuming it’s Tage.
- Stripes77

I call 40 goals for Tage this season. I don't know if that makes him the man, but I feel he's going to be even more comfortable in his frame this year, a few lbs heavier, and much better on faceoffs. I think he'll be very hard to defend.

And, of course, every player looks better if we can get average goaltending.

Still doesn't change the fact 2 players said NO, one might not even play in the NHL if he doesn't get traded. Perception is everything, and the perception of the Sabres Organization is obviously Bad. Is that on Adams No, but just drafting isn't gonna change that perception.
- Buff36

This exactly the point. Players said no quickly.
Seems to me Kevyn is out there trying to get resolution to his #1 need and several players have said no..2 goalies, 3 draft picks delayed signing. The perception seems to be real right?

So, team "get it done" refuses to acknowledge the impact of the poop stain developed through 8 years of the organization taking a dump on itself...and reverts to video gameGM Mode.
It doesn't add up.

Still doesn't change the fact 2 players said NO, one might not even play in the NHL if he doesn't get traded. Perception is everything, and the perception of the Sabres Organization is obviously Bad. Is that on Adams No, but just drafting isn't gonna change that perception.
- Buff36

This exactly the point. Players said no quickly.
Seems to me Kevyn is out there trying to get resolution to his #1 need and several players have said no..2 goalies, 3 draft picks delayed signing. The perception seems to be real right?

So, team "get it done" refuses to acknowledge the impact of the poop stain developed through 8 years of the organization taking a dump on itself...and reverts to video game GM Mode.
It doesn't add up.

Isn't the point of signing someone like Kadri, Trocheck, or Copp that they won't need to 'be the man' due to the depth the Sabres have?
- kingcong39

Sure, but you're going to have to pay him as if he were the man.

Sure, but you're going to have to pay him as if he were the man.
- Slump Buster

As long as the term is short, so be it.

The only one of those three that has the ability to be the difference maker is Dahlin and he hasn’t reached that level yet.

If Tage can pot 40 and get 30 assists then I’d feel better. But it’s only been one year.
- Stripes77

30 and 30 is more realistic IMO

The only one of those three that has the ability to be the difference maker is Dahlin and he hasn’t reached that level yet.

If Tage can pot 40 and get 30 assists then I’d feel better. But it’s only been one year.
- Stripes77

Agree, it should be a growth year with a goalie upgrade.

The upgrade is seeming to be more challenging than not.

Now does uncle Terry jump in and force the Kane deal which may encourage a goalie?

Uncle Terry does like to change course mid plan…

As long as the term is short, so be it.
- kingcong39

This exactly the point. Players said no quickly.
Seems to me Kevyn is out there trying to get resolution to his #1 need and several players have said no..2 goalies, 3 draft picks delayed signing. The perception seems to be real right?

So, team "get it done" refuses to acknowledge the impact of the poop stain developed through 8 years of the organization taking a dump on itself...and reverts to video game GM Mode.
It doesn't add up.
- IonSabres

Even if they did, so freaking what? Gerbe said that Murray had issues with the Sens and there were factors that had nothing to do with us. Maybe Murray didn't want to go to another team that was building. When you asked a girl out at a bar and she says "no" do you fall apart with indignation like so many are here? Nobody is slighting us.

(disclaimer: the girls always said yes to me so I am only theorizing)

The only one of those three that has the ability to be the difference maker is Dahlin and he hasn’t reached that level yet.

If Tage can pot 40 and get 30 assists then I’d feel better. But it’s only been one year.
- Stripes77

Everything about TT's physique, skating ability, hands, shot, and coachability says he has difference maker in him. Last year was not "difference maker" good I agree, but that wasn't his peak IMO.

Agree, it should be a growth year with a goalie upgrade.

The upgrade is seeming to be more challenging than not.

Now does uncle Terry jump in and force the Kane deal which may encourage a goalie?

Uncle Terry does like to change course mid plan…
- Gr8daygo

I can't see skinner/tage/tuch doing anything more then last season

it's up to the middle 6 IMO

As long as the term is short, so be it.
- kingcong39

Agreed completely, but it won't be. This is his one chance to cash in.

Everything about TT's physique, skating ability, hands, shot, and coachability says he has difference maker in him. Last year was not "difference maker" good I agree, but that wasn't his peak IMO.
- lacaprup

Kadri update

https://twitter.com/incar...&t=r9pMWFA4BAAAkZjxwNBE6w

I can't see skinner/tage/tuch doing anything more then last season

it's up to the middle 6 IMO
- homiedclown

I think a healthy olo and mitts could drive additional production. We also need to not see eakin or bjork… bjork can be an extra, that’s about it. I know the red rocket is a fa but Adam’s likes #ppwwtbh.

So what’s the projected lineup.

Skinner. Tage. Olo.
Krebs. Mitts/cozens. Tuch
JJP. Mitts/ cozens. Quinn
Grigs. Asplund. Okposo.
Bjork
R2D2

Feels full. But so many questions.

So this thing with Kane. Could he be a Springboard for Adams to help change the perception of the team. Could DK Campbell see him and say hey why not try there 2yr offer, young team played well at the end of the season just drew a superstar. Maybe Gibson changes his mind. Would bringing in Kane help with what players think of the Sabres. Would the cost be worth it if it did.

So this thing with Kane. Could he be a Springboard for Adams to help change the perception of the team. Could DK Campbell see him and say hey why not try there 2yr offer, young team played well at the end of the season just drew a superstar. Maybe Gibson changes his mind. Would bringing in Kane help with what players think of the Sabres. Would the cost be worth it if it did.
- Buff36

They will both have strong offers from contending teams. Why would you gamble on a short term deal in Buffalo?

They will both have strong offers from contending teams. Why would you gamble on a short term deal in Buffalo?
- Lunaion

I don’t see Dk or Campbell taking a short term deal. They will cash in.

So this thing with Kane. Could he be a Springboard for Adams to help change the perception of the team. Could DK Campbell see him and say hey why not try there 2yr offer, young team played well at the end of the season just drew a superstar. Maybe Gibson changes his mind. Would bringing in Kane help with what players think of the Sabres. Would the cost be worth it if it did.
- Buff36

So who are we really trying to impress? Guys like Campbell and Kadri will be looking for money and term and those are two things we don't want to give out (and surely someone else will).

So now the fans, including myself here; have a closer idea of the real perception of the team throughout the league. Does every player and agent feel the same?. Hell no, that's impossible. Does Gibson' s and Murray's perception represent the majority of players and agents? Who knows factually, but it certainly has some merit as being a significant view.

Now, what does that mean to fans? Why is it relevant?

In the context of fans wanting Adam's to go get players, with "no excuses" considered, the just get it done crowd...the why wait till next year group. Maybe consider the impact of that perception on his timeline for bringing in impact players. Perhaps he knew, like the Bills did back several seasons ago, that they have significant work to do to change that perception and it takes a fair amount heavy lifting and time to do so...and they just aren't done.

So, the same group criticizing Adams' FO team now, is likely the same group of fans who wanted McBeaner gone after year 1 AND who regularly chided the "Trust the Process" mantra that now after significant heavy lifting done over years has the team positioned a a serious Super Bowl Contender.

Chew on that before being so dismissive. It is p,aying out right j front of you but you refuse to see the forest for the trees.
- IonSabres

Beane also added Beasley, Brown and Morse after year one of Allen, a year that went pretty badly. They tried to get better with outside help.

Is it too much to ask of Adams to make a meaningful addition in net?

Beane also added Beasley, Brown and Morse after year one of Allen, a year that went pretty badly. They tried to get better with outside help.

Is it too much to ask of Adams to make a meaningful addition in net?
- Hank Balling

So NFL is wayy different than NHL, but I do think he is trying to add a meaningful goalie right now.

So NFL is wayy different than NHL, but I do think he is trying to add a meaningful goalie right now.
- Lilroot9

Understood and accepted.

As for the trying?

Beane also added Beasley, Brown and Morse after year one of Allen, a year that went pretty badly. They tried to get better with outside help.

Is it too much to ask of Adams to make a meaningful addition in net?
- Hank Balling

That is really such an apples vs. oranges comparison because of the difference in positions and leagues. Also, Beane didn't sign those guys before free agency started (which is where Adams is now). It will happen.