I'd be shocked if Jerry D'Amigo doesn't beat him out in camp.
- Hank Balling

Linus Omark spin-o-rama?

FTFY with Nylander, who does not have term and most likely won't pull much more than Sam.
- SDSabre

he has 3 years left at a reasonable rate. He will get more than Sam and Debrincat because of it.

Well there's a lot of head scratching over on the Hawks page. Davidson is going full scorched earth. Don't be surprised if Kane is moved sooner or later, at the TDL at the latest. Hopefully he'll get a Giroux like return, a 1st, a 2nd or 3rd and a good prospect. Nothing against you guys, but he'll want to go to a Cup contender.

Connolly and Borgstrom won't be missed, but by buying them out he picked up about 3M in cap space. Maybe Davidson is clearing the decks to take on someone's dead weight i.e. JVR or Monahan, and get a pick or prospect along with them.
- boilermaker100

If I were you I'd be worried that you have the wrong guy running the ship. They seem to be making this up as they go along.

well that's (frank)in wrong.
- TheSabresTaco

It's very wrong. Ceasers has them at tied for 5th with 4 other teams. 3 Teams in the East currently are betting favorites over them (Lightning, Hurricanes, and Rangers).

There might be a few books that have them at the 2nd favorite but it sure isn't consensus.

he has 3 years left at a reasonable rate. He will get more than Sam and Debrincat because of it.
- Slump Buster

I've said it already before. He has 2. So no he doesn't have term. Debrincat has at least 2 years until UFA. He's also the better scorer by far. So you'll have to pay him 2M extra so what.

Gotta save money to pay the youngins, just in case!
- Buff36

Of course we can bring in more people and of course there are injuries. The problem is, is the bottom 6 guy coming in expecting to start? Or is he a scrub like Hayden that you don't feel bad sitting upstairs? On opening night you can't have Mitts sitting in the press box because we wanted to bring in a castoff from some other team. I want the guys with the most upside getting the shot.

If I were you I'd be worried that you have the wrong guy running the ship. They seem to be making this up as they go along.
- Slump Buster

I'm a fan but not losing any sleep about the recent moves. The Hawks won't be relevant for several years, maybe more. It is what it is. We got our three Cups and will have those memories.

Good luck to you guys. You're amassing a lot of talent. Hope it comes together for you down the road.

I've said it already before. He has 2. So no he doesn't have term. Debrincat has at least 2 years until UFA. He's also the better scorer by far. So you'll have to pay him 2M extra so what.
- SDSabre

My bad - I found an older article. Two is still waaaaaaaay better than one, especially for teams that don't want long-term commitments. I know, it sounds like I have having it both ways. I also dont' know that you can say that one is much better than the other at this point. Debrincat has had a better career but Nylander was probably better last year.

2 million more is a lot more is a lot when you are up against the cap.

I'm a fan but not losing any sleep about the recent moves. The Hawks won't be relevant for several years, maybe more. It is what it is. We got our three Cups and will have those memories.

Good luck to you guys. You're amassing a lot of talent. Hope it comes together for you down the road.
- boilermaker100

That's the perfect attitude to have. Strap in, it is going to be a while. A friend of mine moved to Chicago many years ago and has been waiting for this moment. He said that many fans are not unlike Patriots fans in that they just think that this is going to go on forever. If last season didn't change that then last week certainly should.

Of course we can bring in more people and of course there are injuries. The problem is, is the bottom 6 guy coming in expecting to start? Or is he a scrub like Hayden that you don't feel bad sitting upstairs? On opening night you can't have Mitts sitting in the press box because we wanted to bring in a castoff from some other team. I want the guys with the most upside getting the shot.
- Slump Buster

If Mitts and Krebs are the future, the draft class sure is curious. Passing on DeBrincat even more curious. One would think tossing a 40 goal winger on a line with Mitts or Krebs would help them.

Of course we can bring in more people and of course there are injuries. The problem is, is the bottom 6 guy coming in expecting to start? Or is he a scrub like Hayden that you don't feel bad sitting upstairs? On opening night you can't have Mitts sitting in the press box because we wanted to bring in a castoff from some other team. I want the guys with the most upside getting the shot.
- Slump Buster

Don't want a cast-off, but I would see what Strome or Kubalik are up to. There's players out there that can help this team

If Mitts and Krebs are the future, the draft class sure is curious. Passing on DeBrincat even more curious. One would think tossing a 40 goal winger on a line with Mitts or Krebs would help them.
- lacaprup

Of course it would. You can't have 2 wingers making 20-25% of your cap when you need to start paying people. Again, neither Tampa nor Colorado made any moves like this. Let it play out and add later.

Adams strategy had nothing to do with current roster. Get as many skilled players as you can and put the puzzle together as you go. Stay as flexible as possible.

Of course it would. You can't have 2 wingers making 20-25% of your cap when you need to start paying people. Again, neither Tampa nor Colorado made any moves like this. Let it play out and add later.

Adams strategy had nothing to do with current roster. Get as many skilled players as you can and put the puzzle together as you go. Stay as flexible as possible.
- Slump Buster

You simply unload a contract at the needed time - if there ever is one - when you cant afford 17 or 18 million for 70 goals a year. It's what GMs have done for decades.

My bad - I found an older article. Two is still waaaaaaaay better than one, especially for teams that don't want long-term commitments. I know, it sounds like I have having it both ways. I also dont' know that you can say that one is much better than the other at this point. Debrincat has had a better career but Nylander was probably better last year.

2 million more is a lot more is a lot when you are up against the cap.
- Slump Buster

Ottawa isn't up against the cap. They'll have no trouble paying him the 9. And I can say Debrincat is a better scorer. He is. 23 more goals in 70 less games? I'm not gonna use the good teammates excuse, they both have them. One last thing, and I want you to read this part waaaaay carefully because I've said it multiple times. Debrincat has two years left guaranteed. He's under contract for one more year and then is a RFA. meaning at least two years. This first year, he's actually under Nylanders hit about 500K. And last thing. One of the last images people have is Nylander not going into the corner to fight for a loose puck in an elimination game. He's known as soft and that wouldn't surprise me if some teams didn't want to add a perimeter player like him.

If Mitts and Krebs are the future, the draft class sure is curious. Passing on DeBrincat even more curious. One would think tossing a 40 goal winger on a line with Mitts or Krebs would help them.
- lacaprup

Or Adams has long term confidence in Peterka and/or Quinn. Just a thought.

Or Adams has long term confidence in Peterka and/or Quinn. Just a thought.
- TheSabresTaco

Yeah, I know he's building a dynasty. Who needs the playoffs? We're going to walk right in in four years and break through the East en route to 3 cups in a row.

I can't believe how arrogant this GM is with his team just barely out of the cellar.

You simply unload a contract at the needed time - if there ever is one - when you cant afford 17 or 18 million for 70 goals a year. It's what GMs have done for decades.
- lacaprup

Right - Toronto sent a first rounder to get rid of a single year of a bad contract. This year they then had to drop completely out of the first round in order to get rid of another contract. Both of the contracts that they had to get rid of paled in comparison to what it would take to get rid of Skinner with 2 - 3 years left. You can't get away with something like that in the NHL in this era. Hell, look at what Ottawa was going to have to give up to move Murray.

Yeah, I know he's building a dynasty. Who needs the playoffs? We're going to walk right in in four years and break through the East en route to 3 cups in a row.

I can't believe how arrogant this GM is to follow the same model that has worked for decades in this and many other sports.
- lacaprup

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All of it

https://twitter.com/Buffa...EfkSJZ7naN2aJqn4Mb0g&s=09

Right - Toronto sent a first rounder to get rid of a single year of a bad contract. This year they then had to drop completely out of the first round in order to get rid of another contract. Both of the contracts that they had to get rid of paled in comparison to what it would take to get rid of Skinner with 2 - 3 years left. You can't get away with something like that in the NHL in this era. Hell, look at what Ottawa was going to have to give up to move Murray.
- Slump Buster

I'm sorry, are you arguing Toronto isn't in a vastly superior positon to Buffalo?

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- Slump Buster

Nope, not really.

Yeah, I know he's building a dynasty. Who needs the playoffs? We're going to walk right in in four years and break through the East en route to 3 cups in a row.

I can't believe how arrogant this GM is with his team just barely out of the cellar.
- lacaprup

Wat

I'm sorry, are you arguing Toronto isn't in a vastly superior positon to Buffalo?
- lacaprup

No, I am not as that would not be true. While Toronto is in a vastly better spot than we are they can't get over the hump because of the mistakes of the past continue to haunt them to this day. They foolishly signed an aging vet without thinking about what is contract will do down the line. They then became a top-heavy roster. They've been playing catchup ever since and they can't make the moves that the need to make to get over the hump. The ghost of christmas future. Good GMs are ahead of the curve and not chasing it.

I like the Sova add to camp. He would be a nice add to the barren D prospect pool.