Even if there are things either of them have to work on, not sure the AHL is the spot for JJ or Quinn to grow their game anymore.

When players are this dominant this quickly, they tend stray away from working on other parts of their game because they know at that level they can get away with it.

i.e, I may be less inclined to work on my play away from the puck if I know that once i get it back im a full step faster than everyone. Tends to lead to players developing bad habits, conditioning them into thinking they can just skate or shoot their way out of trouble.
- Michael Ghofrani

I'm bothered by the fact that they didn't give Quinn, JJ, and UPL more time up last season. Very surprised that opinion is so split on this.

I'm bothered by the fact that they didn't give Quinn, JJ, and UPL more time up last season. Very surprised that opinion is so split on this.
- Lunaion

I really think they were going to play Quinn the rest of the year in the NHL until he got hurt. I think after that they decided that having him play NHL games post injury was a bit much so they just committed to sliding his ELC and spending the rest of the year in Rochester.

That's also why I think his spot is more or less guaranteed. I highly doubt they would jerk their top prospect around like that while trying to restore their image.

JJ not sure about, but I also feel like the org just doesn't value UPL as highly as we'd think.

I'm bothered by the fact that they didn't give Quinn, JJ, and UPL more time up last season. Very surprised that opinion is so split on this.
- Lunaion

I think for JJ and Quinn. They wanted Rochester to make playoffs. Bringing them up would’ve crippled them

And for UPL. He got hurt a few times. I am guessing the Sabres needed the roster spot.

I really think they were going to play Quinn the rest of the year in the NHL until he got hurt. I think after that they decided that having him play NHL games post injury was a bit much so they just committed to sliding his ELC and spending the rest of the year in Rochester.

That's also why I think his spot is more or less guaranteed. I highly doubt they would jerk their top prospect around like that while trying to restore their image.

JJ not sure about, but I also feel like the org just doesn't value UPL as highly as we'd think.
- Michael Ghofrani

I think they made the slide decision on day 1, and then got obsessed with the AHL playoffs.

I think they made the slide decision on day 1, and then got obsessed with the AHL playoffs.
- Lunaion

I don't buy this just cause economically/analytically speaking it's counterintuitive. If you think highly of him, you want to get his ELC burned asap so that you can negotiate that first post ELC deal sooner to get yourself something team friendly through his prime years.

This is especially true for guys like Quinn, who will make their living on shooting talent. They may have bought themselves an extra sub 1 mil year, but if his shooting percentage sky rockets in year three like with many forwards of his caliber, you're paying a premium.

I don't buy this just cause economically/analytically speaking it's counterintuitive. If you think highly of him, you want to get his ELC burned asap so that you can negotiate that first post ELC deal sooner to get yourself something team friendly through his prime years.

This is especially true for guys like Quinn, who will make their living on shooting talent. They may have bought themselves an extra sub 1 mil year, but if his shooting percentage sky rockets in year three like with many forwards of his caliber, you're paying a premium.
- Michael Ghofrani

Aren't you making a potentially large assumption that they are even thinking the way you outlined above?

I don't buy this just cause economically/analytically speaking it's counterintuitive. If you think highly of him, you want to get his ELC burned asap so that you can negotiate that first post ELC deal sooner to get yourself something team friendly through his prime years.

This is especially true for guys like Quinn, who will make their living on shooting talent. They may have bought themselves an extra sub 1 mil year, but if his shooting percentage sky rockets in year three like with many forwards of his caliber, you're paying a premium.
- Michael Ghofrani

Ooof, interesting idea, but I'm not with you on that. You aren't just giving up 1 ELC year, you're giving up 1 RFA year as well. 1 year quicker to UFA is not something you want.

Aren't you making a potentially large assumption that they are even thinking the way you outlined above?
- kingcong39

I don't see anything that would lead me to think otherwise. Bringing Power in to burn his first year is an example of that.

You save money long term doing this, which fits the narrative.

Aren't you making a potentially large assumption that they are even thinking the way you outlined above?
- kingcong39

Lol...every single post in this whole thread is a potentially large assumption.

Tomorrow should be an enlightening day.

Ooof, interesting idea, but I'm not with you on that. You aren't just giving up 1 ELC year, you're giving up 1 RFA year as well. 1 year quicker to UFA is not something you want.
- Lunaion

This matters more with guys you aren't so sure of yet ceiling wise. Basically anyone you don't pick in the top 10.

But with guys like Quinn, who I assume they believe will be of that upper echelon, you dont really care about that, since post ELC you'll want to sign him to term and buy up UFA years asap.

It assumes a lot of Quinn, but again, if you can't bet on your top 10 picks, then what are we (KA and co) doing here?

Edit: You end up buying one less UFA year, but you buy the prime UFA years at a potential discount, which is what I believe separates the teams in perpetual cap trouble from the teams who seem to be able to recycle fringe players at will and still compete.

I don't see anything that would lead me to think otherwise. Bringing Power in to burn his first year is an example of that.

You save money long term doing this, which fits the narrative.
- Michael Ghofrani

Power is a number one overall pick and Quinn is not.

Feels like there's quite a difference between the two of them.

This matters more with guys you aren't so sure of yet ceiling wise. Basically anyone you don't pick in the top 10.

But with guys like Quinn, who I assume they believe will be of that upper echelon, you dont really care about that, since post ELC you'll want to sign him to term and buy up UFA years asap.

It assumes a lot of Quinn, but again, if you can't bet on your top 10 picks, then what are we (KA and co) doing here?
- Michael Ghofrani

When have they actually done the bold with anyone that was not named Eichel?

Power is a number one overall pick and Quinn is not.

Feels like there's quite a difference between the two of them.
- kingcong39

In terms of building the team, not really imo. Both are viewed as future core players. To answer your other question. They haven't done that yet, but they didn't have an analytics department screaming at them to finally ditch Ristolainen either, so I have some renewed faith.

In terms of building the team, not really imo. Both are viewed as future core players. To answer your other question. They haven't done that yet, but they didn't have an analytics department screaming at them to finally ditch Ristolainen either, so I have some renewed faith.
- Michael Ghofrani

I consider Power a cornerstone player, which is not something I consider Quinn.

I feel like there's a clear delineation between the 2 of them.

I consider Power a cornerstone player, which is not something I consider Quinn.

I feel like there's a clear delineation between the 2 of them.
- kingcong39

In terms of overall impact sure, no question. But in terms of roster construction, they are the same in the sense that you envision them both being core players, and everything else is building around them.

If they don't view Quinn as that, why draft him top 10?

This matters more with guys you aren't so sure of yet ceiling wise. Basically anyone you don't pick in the top 10.

But with guys like Quinn, who I assume they believe will be of that upper echelon, you dont really care about that, since post ELC you'll want to sign him to term and buy up UFA years asap.

It assumes a lot of Quinn, but again, if you can't bet on your top 10 picks, then what are we (KA and co) doing here?

Edit: You end up buying one less UFA year, but you buy the prime UFA years at a potential discount, which is what I believe separates the teams in perpetual cap trouble from the teams who seem to be able to recycle fringe players at will and still compete.
- Michael Ghofrani

It seems possible that the young players now may not be as interested in that as they may want deals that have a term like Matthews and Marner.

Malkin staying it Pittsburgh.

It seems possible that the young players now may not be as interested in that as they may want deals that have a term like Matthews and Marner.
- kingcong39

If they perform at that level, sure. Idk what the d-man equivelant of a matthews like season is but if Power does that we're probably too busy crying from finally making the playoffs to notice the impending skewering on the contract.

Think both Quinn and Power will fall short of those point totals (and the D equivalent of it) and be more amenable to a long term deal. Especially since it allows them to cash in on a second much larger deal after the cap goes up.

Malkin staying it Pittsburgh.
- Buff36

We SHOULD HAVE SIGNED HIM!!! & ##&$_%%%(_$$/

(is that how this works?)

Malkin staying it Pittsburgh.
- Buff36

It's probable but I haven't seen anything about it yet, have you?

We SHOULD HAVE SIGNED HIM!!! & ##&$_%%%(_$$/

(is that how this works?)
- Powerslave

Here at hockeybuzz. That’s perfect

It's probable but I haven't seen anything about it yet, have you?
- Stripes77

Saw an article saying hes signing tomorrow.

Its a good one

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...ead_id=179697&forum_id=73

We SHOULD HAVE SIGNED HIM!!! & ##&$_%%%(_$$/

(is that how this works?)
- Powerslave

No, not who I would go after.

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That's pretty funny

This matters more with guys you aren't so sure of yet ceiling wise. Basically anyone you don't pick in the top 10.

But with guys like Quinn, who I assume they believe will be of that upper echelon, you dont really care about that, since post ELC you'll want to sign him to term and buy up UFA years asap.

It assumes a lot of Quinn, but again, if you can't bet on your top 10 picks, then what are we (KA and co) doing here?

Edit: You end up buying one less UFA year, but you buy the prime UFA years at a potential discount, which is what I believe separates the teams in perpetual cap trouble from the teams who seem to be able to recycle fringe players at will and still compete.
- Michael Ghofrani

You have a very aggressive take on this. I'd say the more popular side (and the league-wide trend) is don't burn a year if you don't have to and bridge everyone, except obvious franchise players.