I still think it's early. There's no quick fix or instant gratification to be had. Decisions need to be measured and calculated because, as you mentioned, the margin for error has been taken by the previous regime.

We are also at a point where most teams are wading through their own post draft and free agency issues before making decisions. It could very well be things that have been left on the back burner make their way to the front rather quickly as every team sorts through it's priorities.
- Load Management

Or, much more likely, they looked at the asking price and got sticker shock and decided to wait until FA next year to go after him when all they have to commit is money, not assets.

I still think it's early. There's no quick fix or instant gratification to be had. Decisions need to be measured and calculated because, as you mentioned, the margin for error has been taken by the previous regime.

We are also at a point where most teams are wading through their own post draft and free agency issues before making decisions. It could very well be things that have been left on the back burner make their way to the front rather quickly as every team sorts through it's priorities.
- Load Management

Or, much more likely, they looked at the asking price and got sticker shock and decided to wait until FA next year to go after him when all they have to commit is money, not assets.
- DariusKnight

Which is why he should be moved sooner than later. Nothing wrong with keeping everything quiet, just have him moved before camp.

Or, much more likely, they looked at the asking price and got sticker shock and decided to wait until FA next year to go after him when all they have to commit is money, not assets.
- DariusKnight

I don't think this is likely at all. The cap hit and calibre of player is too good for the market to dry up so quickly.

I don't think this is likely at all. The cap hit and calibre of player is too good for the market to dry up so quickly.
- Load Management

If he privately told the Canucks he's not signing a deal and wants to go to FA, no team is going to give up good assets when they can wait and get him for just money next July. The fact that a deal "supposedly" got nixed at the last minute because PA wouldn't allow the team trading for him to negotiate with him is a HUGE red flag.

If he privately told the Canucks he's not signing a deal and wants to go to FA, no team is going to give up good assets when they can wait and get him for just money next July. The fact that a deal "supposedly" got nixed at the last minute because PA wouldn't allow the team trading for him to negotiate with him is a HUGE red flag.
- DariusKnight

Also not an honorable way of doing business, I'm sure any reputable player agency would discourage that practice.

If he privately told the Canucks he's not signing a deal and wants to go to FA, no team is going to give up good assets when they can wait and get him for just money next July. The fact that a deal "supposedly" got nixed at the last minute because PA wouldn't allow the team trading for him to negotiate with him is a HUGE red flag.
- DariusKnight

I also don't think this is likely.

Earlier Mini posted what the Rangers paid for Copp. Who was a pending FA. The market isn't going anywhere regardless of Miller's intentions next season. Because it's always there season after season.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/...d-andrew-copp-to-rangers/

I also don't think this is likely.

Earlier Mini posted what the Rangers paid for Copp. Who was a pending FA. The market isn't going anywhere regardless of Miller's intentions next season. Because it's always there season after season.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/...d-andrew-copp-to-rangers/
- Load Management

Again, that's IF it was a case of NYI just not able to work out an extension with Miller and his agent at the draft, there's ALLEGATIONS and RUMORS (and I cap that for emphasis so that I'm not being accused of making poop up) that PA wouldn't let Lou negotiate with Miller. If that's even remotely true, that would easily scare off anyone that might remotely be interested in Miller, because what's PA hiding if he won't let a team trading for Miller even talk to him? If I were a non-Benning GM, I'd be totally unwilling to trade assets for a player who I don't even get a chance to ask what he wants for his next contract before the trade call is made.

Or, much more likely, they looked at the asking price and got sticker shock and decided to wait until FA next year to go after him when all they have to commit is money, not assets.
- DariusKnight

Lol. No that is not likely at all.

Your takes on this are quite laughable really.

Lol. No that is not likely at all.

Your takes on this are quite laughable really.
- TurdFergeson

Oh really? So if you're McPhee and you have a chance to get Miller and it takes something like Theodore, a 1st and maybe another B prospect (which is what a lot of posters were assuming the price likely is or the equivalent) and let's say your negotiate that down to something you MIGHT be comfortable with and PA is fine with but then when you ask to talk to Miller to work out an extension, PA tells you no, are you going to go through with the trade call or blow it up and then wait until FA when you can negotiate with Miller AND you only are committing money, not assets, which do you think is more likely? Deal sight unseen or wait until you don't have to deal for him and straight up sign him? I think the answer is obvious.

Again, that's IF it was a case of NYI just not able to work out an extension with Miller and his agent at the draft, there's ALLEGATIONS and RUMORS (and I cap that for emphasis so that I'm not being accused of making poop up) that PA wouldn't let Lou negotiate with Miller. If that's even remotely true, that would easily scare off anyone that might remotely be interested in Miller, because what's PA hiding if he won't let a team trading for Miller even talk to him? If I were a non-Benning GM, I'd be totally unwilling to trade assets for a player who I don't even get a chance to ask what he wants for his next contract before the trade call is made.
- DariusKnight

Allegations and rumours aren't exactly proof of what actually happened. They're speculative at best.

IMHO I just don't think the offer was good enough so they moved on. It seems foolish to let the Isles negotiate an extension if they are still wading through potential offers or if the Isles haven't met asking price.

It's not like the season starts tomorrow. So why not take a measured approach to moving him? Maybe something opens up that wasn't there before. As I mentioned earlier, there's no instant gratification to be had. It doesn't make sense to jump on offers strictly for the sake of making a deal to please impatient fans.

Allegations and rumours aren't exactly proof of what actually happened. They're speculative at best.

IMHO I just don't think the offer was good enough so they moved on. It seems foolish to let the Isles negotiate an extension if they are still wading through potential offers or if the Isles haven't met asking price.

It's not like the season starts tomorrow. So why not take a measured approach to moving him? Maybe something opens up that wasn't there before. As I mentioned earlier, there's no instant gratification to be had. It doesn't make sense to jump on offers strictly for the sake of making a deal to please impatient fans.
- Load Management

No, but holding on to a depreciating asset in the hopes of somehow getting a better deal isn't ideal either, you strike when the iron is hot or else you end up with a situation where you can't get much for 1/4 of a season plus playoffs for a player that might not even be willing to sign long-term with you.

Allegations and rumours aren't exactly proof of what actually happened. They're speculative at best.

IMHO I just don't think the offer was good enough so they moved on. It seems foolish to let the Isles negotiate an extension if they are still wading through potential offers or if the Isles haven't met asking price.

It's not like the season starts tomorrow. So why not take a measured approach to moving him? Maybe something opens up that wasn't there before. As I mentioned earlier, there's no instant gratification to be had. It doesn't make sense to jump on offers strictly for the sake of making a deal to please impatient fans.
- Load Management

The team has also stated they are in no hurry to move him. Whether it's true or not, hopefully they get a couple of solid offers this summer.

As much I love Brucey, and he was the coach that I wanted, is it OK that I hate him for turning the team around?
That half season turnaround is the new "Bubble Canuck Thingy of False Hope"

Oh really? So if you're McPhee and you have a chance to get Miller and it takes something like Theodore, a 1st and maybe another B prospect (which is what a lot of posters were assuming the price likely is or the equivalent) and let's say your negotiate that down to something you MIGHT be comfortable with and PA is fine with but then when you ask to talk to Miller to work out an extension, PA tells you no, are you going to go through with the trade call or blow it up and then wait until FA when you can negotiate with Miller AND you only are committing money, not assets, which do you think is more likely? Deal sight unseen or wait until you don't have to deal for him and straight up sign him? I think the answer is obvious.
- DariusKnight

You’re just making a whole lot of poop up.

This type of thing happens all the time. PA is likely not allowing talks because he wants to keep talks with the Canucks. If he’s actually trying to move him they’d allow them to talk extension.

Dylan Strome may not get qualified, does VAN look at him?

No, but holding on to a depreciating asset in the hopes of somehow getting a better deal isn't ideal either, you strike when the iron is hot or else you end up with a situation where you can't get much for 1/4 of a season plus playoffs for a player that might not even be willing to sign long-term with you.
- DariusKnight

Lol. 99 points last season at 5.25 mil. And he's dying on the vine on July 10th. OK, I think I've made some pretty valid points you're ignoring. I've got nothing left here.

Lol. 99 points last season at 5.25 mil. And he's dying on the vine on July 10th. OK, I think I've made some pretty valid points you're ignoring. I've got nothing left here.
- Load Management

No, you do have valid points, the problem is that there was supposedly a deal on the table at the draft that ended up nixed at the last minute. Whether you think it's because NYI didn't meet PA's price and PA backed out at the last minute (which could have very well have been the case) or they asked to talk to the player and PA said no (ALLEGEDLY or as RUMORED) it doesn't bode well for the team's chances. You could very well be right that it doesn't matter one way or another and the Canucks will get top dollar for him, but usually it's at the TDL or Draft when teams are willing to shell out those high prices. I also acknowledge that there are outliers like Duchesne and Eichel that holding onto the player gets you the deal you want, but those situations are super rare.

Dylan Strome may not get qualified, does VAN look at him?
- VanHockeyGuy

Center with size. Age fits the team at 25. They are deep down the middle with Miller on the team though. Strome will be signed before Miller is traded most likely.

Lol. 99 points last season at 5.25 mil. And he's dying on the vine on July 10th. OK, I think I've made some pretty valid points you're ignoring. I've got nothing left here.
- Load Management

I'm going to let you in on a secret, Darius has an alt which was in here once called NFU.

I'm going to let you in on a secret, Darius has an alt which was in here once called NFU.
- VanHockeyGuy

I thought I was Vantel's alt... Or Scooby? I can never keep it straight.

I thought I was Vantel's alt... Or Scooby? I can never keep it straight.
- DariusKnight

Eklund's alt....

Eklund's alt....
- boonerbuck

You're the one that started all this shit. How can I be sure it's not your alt?

Eklund's alt....
- boonerbuck

I wish, maybe then I'd have Sportsnet on speed dial, with a spot waiting for me in a room with my face being pixelated and making up rumors and using my Eklund meter and make a huge ass of myself in the process.

Center with size. Age fits the team at 25. They are deep down the middle with Miller on the team though. Strome will be signed before Miller is traded most likely.
- boonerbuck

Okay to be over cap as well.