Hot takes a'plenty and Geno haters having field days around here the past few days....ugh

His injury history is the only reason people don't think we are being unfair... which I get the logic in that.

I forget who posted it, but the supposed part of the Malkin deal having incentives for games played to get him up to that 6 million mark is probably what broke this friendship with the organization. Its logical and reasonable from the Pens' side, but also a massive slap in the face to Malkin's camp.
- Guile

I think that was a suggestion to make a deal work, not something that was actually proposed by the Pens.

Remember too, Malkin's agent has no loyalty to the Pens, even if Geno does. Don't think for a second that his agent hasn't been framing this to get him to free agency because that is where Malkin will have a chance of getting a massive overpay in AAV and years.

When you see stuff get leaked to half ass reporters that never have a legit scoop, you know it is coming from an agent. I think it is just too unbelievable to think that the Pens would offer Rackell 6/$30M but wouldn't offer Malkin 4/$24M.

Malkin will undoubtedly get offered far more in free agency. At the very minimum 4/$32M, possibly 5/$40M. You could even see someone do a 2/$18M deal. If you are one year away and feel like you just need that one extra piece, he is the guy you are going after.

Malkin gets 7M on open market.

Is this a joke?

Geno on the top of his game has always been Top 5 in the league. You don't pay $6.7M for that kind of production.
- Barnaby36

Yes...exactly. You would gladly pay him $6.7M per (or more) for that.

I don't see what's so hard to understand.

Malkin gets 7M on open market.
- Hardbalz

Yes, but for how many years?

All sorts of things being said....no one really knows the truth for sure...

You could even see someone do a 2/$18M deal. If you are one year away and feel like you just need that one extra piece, he is the guy you are going after.
- MacPatty

Most teams that are one year away and need that extra piece don't have an extra $9M in cap space to throw around.

Yes...exactly. You would gladly pay him $6.7M per (or more) for that.

I don't see what's so hard to understand.
- jmatchett383

I think that he thought you meant that's all he should get if he was 25 years old haha

I think that he thought you meant that's all he should get if he was 25 years old haha
- MattStrat

No, I was saying if he asked for $6.7M at 25 years old, you'd gladly pay it. Never said that's what he'd accept.

No, I was saying if he asked for $6.7M at 25 years old, you'd gladly pay it. Never said that's what he'd accept.
- jmatchett383

I understood what you meant.

Hot takes a'plenty and Geno haters having field days around here the past few days....ugh
- MattStrat

We'll trade you Anson Carter for him.

We'll trade you Anson Carter for him.
- Blackstrom2

You'll have to throw in Kris Beech.

Yes, but for how many years?
- jmatchett383

3 and to Detroit.

3 and to Detroit.
- Feds91Stammer

The stealth tank.

No, I was saying if he asked for $6.7M at 25 years old, you'd gladly pay it. Never said that's what he'd accept.
- jmatchett383

Oh sorry lol I get it.

What I don't get it is why not give a 4th year @6.1M to a player who's won 3 cups with us and is STILL a PPG player.

I wouldn't go a cent above $7.1M if it's a deal above 3 years.

The stealth tank.
- jmatchett383

Uhh Detroit definitely isn’t tanking.

Oh sorry lol I get it.

What I don't get it is why not give a 4th year @6.1M to a player who's won 3 cups with us and is STILL a PPG player.

I wouldn't go a cent above $7.1M if it's a deal above 3 years.
- Barnaby36

I'd give him 4 years at $6M and call it a day. Yes, he's been injury prone for the last 3 seasons. And yes, he's going to miss games. So be it. The fact is that, when he's healthy and dialed in, he's still worth the money, at least this season. Since the window is likely closed after this season (I think 4 straight years of not winning a playoff round is proof that it has already closed), who really gives a crap about years 2-4?

If you already have Crosby and Letang locked up for their twilight years, you've resigned yourself that you're going to be the post-2009 Red Wings, fighting to squeak into the playoffs only to be bounced early. With that in mind, why not take a swing on Malkin, hope he can get healthy and in game shape for the playoffs, and maybe get a handful of lucky breaks. That's what it would take to make one last run with this core.

Uhh Detroit definitely isn’t tanking.
- Feds91Stammer

Of course not, why would they sign a guy like Malkin if they're tanking *wink*

I'd give him 4 years at $6M and call it a day. Yes, he's been injury prone for the last 3 seasons. And yes, he's going to miss games. So be it. The fact is that, when he's healthy and dialed in, he's still worth the money, at least this season. Since the window is likely closed after this season (I think 4 straight years of not winning a playoff round is proof that it has already closed), who really gives a crap about years 2-4?

If you already have Crosby and Letang locked up for their twilight years, you've resigned yourself that you're going to be the post-2009 Red Wings, fighting to squeak into the playoffs only to be bounced early. With that in mind, why not take a swing on Malkin, hope he can get healthy and in game shape for the playoffs, and maybe get a handful of lucky breaks. That's what it would take to make one last run with this core.
- jmatchett383[/quote

Didnt he reject a 6x4 deal?

[quote=jmatchett383]I'd give him 4 years at $6M and call it a day. Yes, he's been injury prone for the last 3 seasons. And yes, he's going to miss games. So be it. The fact is that, when he's healthy and dialed in, he's still worth the money, at least this season. Since the window is likely closed after this season (I think 4 straight years of not winning a playoff round is proof that it has already closed), who really gives a crap about years 2-4?

If you already have Crosby and Letang locked up for their twilight years, you've resigned yourself that you're going to be the post-2009 Red Wings, fighting to squeak into the playoffs only to be bounced early. With that in mind, why not take a swing on Malkin, hope he can get healthy and in game shape for the playoffs, and maybe get a handful of lucky breaks. That's what it would take to make one last run with this core.
- sammy87[/quote

Didnt he reject a 6x4 deal?

Apparently, he was cool with the money, but wanted a 4th year.

I'd give him 4 years at $6M and call it a day. Yes, he's been injury prone for the last 3 seasons. And yes, he's going to miss games. So be it. The fact is that, when he's healthy and dialed in, he's still worth the money, at least this season. Since the window is likely closed after this season (I think 4 straight years of not winning a playoff round is proof that it has already closed), who really gives a crap about years 2-4?

If you already have Crosby and Letang locked up for their twilight years, you've resigned yourself that you're going to be the post-2009 Red Wings, fighting to squeak into the playoffs only to be bounced early. With that in mind, why not take a swing on Malkin, hope he can get healthy and in game shape for the playoffs, and maybe get a handful of lucky breaks. That's what it would take to make one last run with this core.
- jmatchett383

The individual talent Malkin has is hard to explain. Not many people play like him. I get why people will complain about the injuries though.

Crosby, Letang, Guentzel, Rust, Rakell, Marino, Matheson is quite a good group to have signed for a long time. I think we'll be competitive (and not pretenders) for the next 3 years minimum.

Uhh Detroit definitely isn’t tanking.
- Feds91Stammer

No reason why they would. Chicago is doing that to get Bedard by destroying their franchise.

The individual talent Malkin has is hard to explain. Not many people play like him. I get why people will complain about the injuries though.

Crosby, Letang, Guentzel, Rust, Rakell, Marino, Matheson is quite a good group to have signed for a long time. I think we'll be competitive (and not pretenders) for the next 3 years minimum.
- Barnaby36

"Competitive" yes. Contenders, no

The Pens fanbase has been spoiled, seeing the playoffs as a given and expecting to win the Cup ever year. The sad truth is that those days are gone. This team will have to scratch and claw its way to that playoffs and beyond. It will still only go as far as Crosby, goaltending, Letang (and Malkin, if signed) will take them, but they won't be able to carry a team like they did 6 years ago.

I'd give him 4 years at $6M and call it a day. Yes, he's been injury prone for the last 3 seasons. And yes, he's going to miss games. So be it. The fact is that, when he's healthy and dialed in, he's still worth the money, at least this season. Since the window is likely closed after this season (I think 4 straight years of not winning a playoff round is proof that it has already closed), who really gives a crap about years 2-4?

If you already have Crosby and Letang locked up for their twilight years, you've resigned yourself that you're going to be the post-2009 Red Wings, fighting to squeak into the playoffs only to be bounced early. With that in mind, why not take a swing on Malkin, hope he can get healthy and in game shape for the playoffs, and maybe get a handful of lucky breaks. That's what it would take to make one last run with this core.
- jmatchett383

I agree with everything you're saying ....and it was a handful of unlucky breaks that kept them from advancing in these past playoffs. They could of made final four, if not for so many unlucky breaks, perhaps even the final.

The individual talent Malkin has is hard to explain. Not many people play like him. I get why people will complain about the injuries though.

Crosby, Letang, Guentzel, Rust, Rakell, Marino, Matheson is quite a good group to have signed for a long time. I think we'll be competitive (and not pretenders) for the next 3 years minimum.
- Barnaby36

By competitive do you mean squeaking in as a wild card team or winning division titles?