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nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jul 14 @ 2:01 PM ET
This more like the reason...

https://www.hockeyfeed.co...s-for-his-old-school-ways

- Nfdbulldawg



All I have to see is a source to “knowing what Lou did or didn’t do”, Is DB Gallof and this tells me all I need to know that this article is based on horse sh!t! as far as the Islanders.
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Jul 14 @ 2:02 PM ET
BD Gallof 🤣🤣🤣🤣
- Vukota

BD is the law
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Jul 14 @ 2:02 PM ET



First I do not believe this team is a contender for the cup as is. I have stated numerous times in these threads that the Isles need to make a trade. I put several names out there. My point is to not spend just to spend. At this point it is not wasting another season. The top guys that could have made a difference are gone.
The second tier guys are gone. The only way anything happens now is through trade. Bottom line.

- Nfdbulldawg


On this we agree.
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jul 14 @ 2:03 PM ET
BD is the law
- Upstate_isles

I didn’t even know he was still around
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 14 @ 2:03 PM ET
Keep in mind that it was Philly that had to walk away from JG, not the other way around. That WAS his choice. I do think the taxes could have been a factor in JG's decision to not choose NJ and NY when you consider it could mean up to an additional $2m per season in deductions. Anyone who doesn't think this plays a factor is fooling themselves (I know you didn't say that).
Clearly winning wasn't a major factor here. Theoretically JG chose the next closest to home suitor NOT in NY or NJ,. I'd love to hear his candid explanation but doubt we'll get one

- keaner17

I’m just busting your chops when I bring up the tax jokes I think you know that but with that said what does this mean? Just give up nobody’s coming here because of taxes now? Hasn’t stopped players from going to the rangers, kovalchuck to the devils, I can go on and on. I think it’s a reason to ponder for a player but far from THE reason. There’s tax implications good and bad everywhere. Also factor in lifestyle which is a more commanding need for multi millionaires.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jul 14 @ 2:03 PM ET
BD is the law
- Upstate_isles




Amazing how we jumped on that!
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Jul 14 @ 2:04 PM ET

Amazing how we jumped on that!

- nyisles7


The man left an impression I suppose.
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Jul 14 @ 2:06 PM ET
*sees that the source is BD Gallof*

Well that’s sufficient grounds for skepticism.

- Wildschwein

But BD Gallof said that Lou lacks "interpersonal skills"!!
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Jul 14 @ 2:07 PM ET
But BD Gallof said that Lou lacks "interpersonal skills"!!
- JohnScammo


Dare say that he should know.
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Jul 14 @ 2:12 PM ET
On an unrelated note, who wouldn't like to be a fly on the wall of the Flyers' dressing room next season? Torts, Rocky Thompson and Tony DeAngelo??? Nobody would need to take the temperature in that room!
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jul 14 @ 2:14 PM ET
But BD Gallof said that Lou lacks "interpersonal skills"!!
- JohnScammo


That is golden!
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 14 @ 2:15 PM ET
But BD Gallof said that Lou lacks "interpersonal skills"!!
- JohnScammo

There’s an Alanis Morrisette song that unfortunately comes to mind.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jul 14 @ 2:15 PM ET
The man left an impression I suppose.
- Wildschwein


Indeed
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 14 @ 2:16 PM ET
On an unrelated note, who wouldn't like to be a fly on the wall of the Flyers' dressing room next season? Torts, Rocky Thompson and Tony DeAngelo??? Nobody would need to take the temperature in that room!
- JohnScammo

Along with a couple players they tried to dump to accommodate Gaudreau’s salary
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Jul 14 @ 2:21 PM ET
I didn’t even know he was still around
- Vukota

Hes on twitter, he's the new sheriff
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 14 @ 2:22 PM ET
Hes on twitter
- Upstate_isles

Good place for him.
keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Jul 14 @ 2:25 PM ET
I’m just busting your chops when I bring up the tax jokes I think you know that but with that said what does this mean? Just give up nobody’s coming here because of taxes now? Hasn’t stopped players from going to the rangers, kovalchuck to the devils, I can go on and on. I think it’s a reason to ponder for a player but far from THE reason. There’s tax implications good and bad everywhere. Also factor in lifestyle which is a more commanding need for multi millionaires.
- Cptmjl

Yeah, I get it. I think we all have to realize though when mentioning Panarin, Gaudreau and JT, all three went elsewhere for likely very different reasons. JT flat out wanted to go home. Panarin's girlfiend is a model and naturally wanted NYC. Gaudreau? Who knows?
But we all know how short thw earning window is for pro atheletes, so potentially losing millions to play one place as opposed to another...for many that's not even a consideration.
We have a new beautiful building, great ownership and an area that the players love to stay. Maybe Lou's Steinbrenner approach is top much for a lot of NHL players, but this problem existed long before he got there. The NY blood thirsty taxes on thw otherhand..
Ultimately I would image there are multitude of factors involved but that has to be a big one
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Jul 14 @ 2:28 PM ET
I think it’s exactly why Lou didn’t or hasn’t traded any assets. He knows the teams age as well and if they do suck this year then without assets in the system the retooling and rebuild is tougher imho. There are some core young players like Barzal, SOrOkin, Dobson, Romanov, Beau ( start the peanut gallery ) etc. so I do think Lou has the future in mind if this team does not succeed this year.
- nyisles7


He did trade assets, though. He traded the first round pick for a guy who could help now. And he's traded every first round pick for years. It's just a slower burn of assets that eventually leads you to the same bare cupboard.

I'd argue the real assets for a possible rebuild are the aging players. But those are the guys you don't get rid of unless you know your window is closed, which is why I think it's now or never for them. If they go all-in now and it doesn't work, those players that we consider the core could still fetch a decent return for a rebuild. Someone would certainly want a Nelson as second-line center, or Lee to park in front of the net, etc. If they keep hanging on to those players for years waiting for the stars to perfectly align before going all-in, they become albatrosses rather than assets.

Anyway, I think Lou wants to go for it this year. Heck, I feel like he sort of bet his job on it when he fired Trotz...as in, if they don't have a killer season this year, who does he blame? There doesn't seem to be much motivation for him to wait and see; that's why I think he's going to make a move.
keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Jul 14 @ 2:29 PM ET
It's amazing how BD continually wanted everyone to believe how brilliant Snow was, talking about their sports analytics genius etc and always telling fans how impatient they were, but it took him like two months to jump all over Lou like a bitter ex. My guess is he knew someone closeish to Snow and lost his contact after he left...now just sits in the dark complaining.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 14 @ 2:30 PM ET
He did trade assets, though. He traded the first round pick for a guy who could help now. And he's traded every first round pick for years. It's just a slower burn of assets that eventually leads you to the same bare cupboard.

I'd argue the real assets for a possible rebuild are the aging players. But those are the guys you don't get rid of unless you know your window is closed, which is why I think it's now or never for them. If they go all-in now and it doesn't work, those players that we consider the core could still fetch a decent return for a rebuild. Someone would certainly want a Nelson as second-line center, or Lee to park in front of the net, etc. If they keep hanging on to those players for years waiting for the stars to perfectly align before going all-in, they become albatrosses rather than assets.

Anyway, I think Lou wants to go for it this year. Heck, I feel like he sort of bet his job on it when he fired Trotz...as in, if they don't have a killer season this year, who does he blame? There doesn't seem to be much motivation for him to wait and see; that's why I think he's going to make a move.

- UIF

Lameriello has a lonnnnnnng history of having zero issues emptying the cupboards as far as assets go
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 14 @ 2:31 PM ET
It's amazing how BD continually wanted everyone to believe how brilliant Snow was, talking about their sports analytics genius etc and always telling fans how impatient they were, but it took him like two months to jump all over Lou like a bitter ex. My guess is he knew someone closeish to Snow and lost his contact after he left...now just sits in the dark complaining.
- keaner17

The guy is just sad.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 14 @ 2:32 PM ET
Yeah, I get it. I think we all have to realize though when mentioning Panarin, Gaudreau and JT, all three went elsewhere for likely very different reasons. JT flat out wanted to go home. Panarin's girlfiend is a model and naturally wanted NYC. Gaudreau? Who knows?
But we all know how short thw earning window is for pro atheletes, so potentially losing millions to play one place as opposed to another...for many that's not even a consideration.
We have a new beautiful building, great ownership and an area that the players love to stay. Maybe Lou's Steinbrenner approach is top much for a lot of NHL players, but this problem existed long before he got there. The NY blood thirsty taxes on thw otherhand..
Ultimately I would image there are multitude of factors involved but that has to be a big one

- keaner17

Money is always an important factor but we’ll agree to disagree on this one

Every year there’s a new barrage of excuses. This year it’s taxes! Whatever, let’s move on I hope Ben Shelly burns this tax thread shortly.
JimmyP
New York Islanders
Location: Snow has melted!
Joined: 02.12.2011

Jul 14 @ 2:39 PM ET
Money is always an important factor but we’ll agree to disagree on this one

Every year there’s a new barrage of excuses. This year it’s taxes! Whatever, let’s move on I hope Ben Shelly burns this tax thread shortly.

- Cptmjl


Maybe BD will write a guest blog.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 14 @ 2:40 PM ET
Maybe BD will write a guest blog.
- JimmyP

Thread would be locked within minutes.
Isleshockeyman
New York Islanders
Location: Lou is our savior
Joined: 11.05.2014

Jul 14 @ 2:40 PM ET
I think it’s exactly why Lou didn’t or hasn’t traded any assets. He knows the teams age as well and if they do suck this year then without assets in the system the retooling and rebuild is tougher imho. There are some core young players like Barzal, SOrOkin, Dobson, Romanov, Beau ( start the peanut gallery ) etc. so I do think Lou has the future in mind if this team does not succeed this year.
- nyisles7


It's funny that I said yesterday maybe Lou didn't want to overpay and mortgage the future. A few people stated that if you're in "win now mode" forget about the future.
I don't think you can get rid of all your assets and sign a player(s) for more money than you have to spend just to win one cup. Then what? Tear it all down and go full rebuild? Personally, I want to have multiple shots at the cup. I want to have a strong team now and five years from now.
Obviously none of know what transpired yesterday. Maybe us having a defense-first type of system along with "Lou's rules" played a factor in JG's decision. Pretty sure money played a big part. But you have an offense-minded player that wants to put points on the board. Not sure he wants to chase around in the D zone and step in front of shots.
Not sure if we'll ever know. I think Ledecky/Malkin want to win. I think that's obvious. If we fail to make the playoffs this year or get bounced in the first round, I don't know how safe Lou's job is.
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