- Nfdbulldawg

Enough with the F'n taxes already !!!! The damn Rags have the same taxes and they are able to get things done. Is the new excuse amongst isles fans...Sorry we did not get the player we wanted because of TAXES????

Come'on....Enough already with bs...

Is Barzal going to leave next year because of the taxes??? No he is going to leave because the organization has failed to put another high level player with him so that he could excel.

You have to give up to get...Management does not want to give anything up...They thought the new building would make UFAs drool to be here....They were wrong...

The five year plan is diminishing.

It is the age ole saying you can pay me now or pay me later...Either way your going to pay me...

This fact...Lou has not been able to get anything done. Unlike other GM's he does not feel like he is in a desperate situation to make a move. He is wrong.

He was able to procure one (1) defenseman. He has failed on the most glaring hole within this team. Win you are in a win now mode you can sacrifice the future. If this team fails you will have a plethora of picks come June selling off your veterans.

My guess on Tkachuk would be he’s a conservative, wants lower taxes and wants to play for a team that has a shot. I don’t blame him.

Enough with the F'n taxes already !!!! The damn Rags have the same taxes and they are able to get things done. Is the new excuse amongst isles fans...Sorry we did not get the player we wanted because of TAXES????

Come'on....Enough already with bs...

Is Barzal going to leave next year because of the taxes??? No he is going to leave because the organization has failed to put another high level player with him so that he could excel.

You have to give up to get...Management does not want to give anything up...They thought the new building would make UFAs drool to be here....They were wrong...

The five year plan is diminishing.

It is the age ole saying you can pay me now or pay me later...Either way your going to pay me...

This fact...Lou has not been able to get anything done. Unlike other GM's he does not feel like he is in a desperate situation to make a move. He is wrong.

He was able to procure one (1) defenseman. He has failed on the most glaring hole within this team. Win you are in a win now mode you can sacrifice the future. If this team fails you will have a plethora of picks come June selling off your veterans.
- Nfdbulldawg

We will see won’t we and he will be held accountable with either the success or failure of the team. He was wrong according to the fan base the first year he arrived with his off season moves and the team has had more success in his first 3 years than a decade of Sh!thead Snow and Co.

Taxes aren’t the whole issue however you’re a fool if you think it doesn’t matter. These guys have limited earning years and want and need to make the most they can during that time.
Home towns, spouses home towns and having a chance to win certainly are a part as well but in MT case his list basically was St. Louis ( his home town ) and 4 other teams in non income tax states.

Enough with the F'n taxes already !!!! The damn Rags have the same taxes and they are able to get things done. Is the new excuse amongst isles fans...Sorry we did not get the player we wanted because of TAXES????

Come'on....Enough already with bs...

Is Barzal going to leave next year because of the taxes??? No he is going to leave because the organization has failed to put another high level player with him so that he could excel.

You have to give up to get...Management does not want to give anything up...They thought the new building would make UFAs drool to be here....They were wrong...

The five year plan is diminishing.

It is the age ole saying you can pay me now or pay me later...Either way your going to pay me...

This fact...Lou has not been able to get anything done. Unlike other GM's he does not feel like he is in a desperate situation to make a move. He is wrong.

He was able to procure one (1) defenseman. He has failed on the most glaring hole within this team. Win you are in a win now mode you can sacrifice the future. If this team fails you will have a plethora of picks come June selling off your veterans.
- Nfdbulldawg

Serious question but did Lou say that he had a 5 year plan? I remember snow telling the fan base about a 5 year plan and to be patient….but I didn’t know Lou did the same?

The fact is this team has needed an elite winger for years and thus far Lou has been unable to attain one. In fact, he traded away Eberle who on most teams isn’t a first liner but was one on the isles, and never replaced his numbers. I don’t think you can judge Lou on the season until it’s underway, but it’s three years now of coming up empty on that top line and it’s not looking like they’re gonna address it.

Serious question but did Lou say that he had a 5 year plan? I remember snow telling the fan base about a 5 year plan and to be patient….but I didn’t know Lou did the same?

The fact is this team has needed an elite winger for years and thus far Lou has been unable to attain one. In fact, he traded away Eberle who on most teams isn’t a first liner but was one on the isles, and never replaced his numbers. I don’t think you can judge Lou on the season until it’s underway, but it’s three years now of coming up empty on that top line and it’s not looking like they’re gonna address it.
- kindlyrick

Soon…

Soon…


- Wildschwein

Wouldn’t mind him.

Wouldn’t mind him.
- nyisles7

Would (frank)ing love him.

Soon…


- Wildschwein

I mean yeah, but at what cost? Obviously most GMs want to sign a UFA to not have to give up anything. I honestly think Lou’s Steinbrenner Esq rules are a detriment to landing players. It’s certainly not a positive when trying to convince someone to come to Long Island.

Serious question but did Lou say that he had a 5 year plan? I remember snow telling the fan base about a 5 year plan and to be patient….but I didn’t know Lou did the same?

The fact is this team has needed an elite winger for years and thus far Lou has been unable to attain one. In fact, he traded away Eberle who on most teams isn’t a first liner but was one on the isles, and never replaced his numbers. I don’t think you can judge Lou on the season until it’s underway, but it’s three years now of coming up empty on that top line and it’s not looking like they’re gonna address it.
- kindlyrick

Snow’s 5 year plan turned into 10 plus with sh!t to show for it.
Lou came here and the team elevated its progress every year accept this past year.
With the age of the team and lack of prospects in the organization I don’t think Lou was/is willing to throw the future away without knowing what his team has left in the tank.
If he can get a Kadri or Miller on a good deal he pulls the trigger if he can make it work cap wise. If not he will see how the team starts and if there’s promise he’ll add. He’s always been conservative and patient. For him it’s worked.
Just my opinion of course.

I mean yeah, but at what cost? Obviously most GMs want to sign a UFA to not have to give up anything. I honestly think Lou’s Steinbrenner Esq rules are a detriment to landing players. It’s certainly not a positive when trying to convince someone to come to Long Island.
- kindlyrick

Dunno.

That said, one would suspect it’d be a sign and trade. Like Tkachuk.

Snow’s 5 year plan turned into 10 plus with sh!t to show for it.
Lou came here and the team elevated its progress every year accept this past year.
With the age of the team and lack of prospects in the organization I don’t think Lou was/is willing to throw the future away without knowing what his team has left in the tank.
If he can get a Kadri or Miller on a good deal he pulls the trigger if he can make it work cap wise. If not he will see how the team starts and if there’s promise he’ll add.
Just my opinion of course.
- nyisles7

I think last season was a fluke. He got rid of Eberle and Leddy and never replaced their pts, and zone entry respectively. That’s 2 guys who were PP1. For a team that’s had an anemic PP…..that turned out to be the major problem last year. He never replaced those guys. Again, I can’t judge until the season and I agree with you this team achieved more success under him than we’ve seen in decades. I just want to see a bonafide winger and finally have the 1/2 punch this team is starving for.

Dunno.

That said, one would suspect it’d be a sign and trade. Like Tkachuk.
- Wildschwein

Was Tkachuk a sign and trade? I thought the Flames traded him and then Fl. And MT agreed to a 8 year deal. Of course Fl and MT were given permission from the Flames to discuss a contract prior. Or did he sign the deal with the Flames and then get traded?

Dunno.

That said, one would suspect it’d be a sign and trade. Like Tkachuk.
- Wildschwein

Calgary won that trade. I’m not in love with the idea of trading Beauvillier and I think he’s on the list of wants from any team looking to make a trade with the isles.

Was Tkachuk a sign and trade? I thought the Flames traded him and then Fl. And MT agreed to a 8 year deal. Of course Fl and MT were given permission from the Flames to discuss a contract prior.
- nyisles7

I don’t think it was a sign and trade as he’d be bound to Canadian taxes…..he signed in tax friendly florida I believe

I don’t think it was a sign and trade as he’d be bound to Canadian taxes…..he signed in tax friendly florida I believe
- kindlyrick

Yeah I just posted I thought he was traded then agreed to the contract.
I not sure but if you get traded you pay the taxes in your new teams state but I could be wrong.

I think last season was a fluke. He got rid of Eberle and Leddy and never replaced their pts, and zone entry respectively. That’s 2 guys who were PP1. For a team that’s had an anemic PP…..that turned out to be the major problem last year. He never replaced those guys. Again, I can’t judge until the season and I agree with you this team achieved more success under him than we’ve seen in decades. I just want to see a bonafide winger and finally have the 1/2 punch this team is starving for.
- kindlyrick

Not entirely true. He did just trade for Romanov, who’ll fill the even strength hole left by Leddy. And Dobson is the in house replacement on the PP.

So far as Eberle goes, I think the organization gambled on Wahlstrom being an in house alternative. Which he still could very well be.

Yeah I just posted I thought he was traded then agreed to the contract.
I not sure but if you get traded you pay the taxes in your new teams state but I could be wrong.
- nyisles7

No, I think you're right. Pretty sure you pay the taxes based on where you and your employer are located, not on who signs you to the contract.

Yeah I just posted I thought he was traded then agreed to the contract.
I not sure but if you get traded you pay the taxes in your new teams state but I could be wrong.
- nyisles7

Yeah it’s income based in that state you play, but I believe you get taxed per state (game) you play in….which I just learned. Either way you’d be a fool to sign that kinda deal with a Canadian team. You’d have to be Tavares

Pretty good articke on taxes and spirt / NHL

https://www.scripted.com/...b0-4721-a4c2-121b415e8929

I don’t think it was a sign and trade as he’d be bound to Canadian taxes…..he signed in tax friendly florida I believe
- kindlyrick

He did, yes. But does anyone actually think his deal wasn’t verbally in place PRIOR to the trade?

No way Zito trades all those parts for one year of Tkachuk.

I mean yeah, but at what cost? Obviously most GMs want to sign a UFA to not have to give up anything. I honestly think Lou’s Steinbrenner Esq rules are a detriment to landing players. It’s certainly not a positive when trying to convince someone to come to Long Island.
- kindlyrick

It's fair to ask if Lou has to change his approach with FA's. The hiring of Lou and Barry seem to have gotten the Isles more respect but it has not helped with FA's. Ownership should be asking why to do we keep missing out on players? Trading players like you did in the 70's and 80's does not work in 2022.

Not entirely true. He did just trade for Romanov, who’ll fill the even strength hole left by Leddy. And Dobson is the in house replacement on the PP.

So far as Eberle goes, I think the organization gambled on Wahlstrom being an in house alternative. Which he still could very well be.
- Wildschwein

Last season there was no Leddy and no Romanov. I’m a fan of Dobson, but he wasn’t replacing Leddy last year. I believe Lou went in on Ryan Suter as Leddys replacement and came up empty. Again, never replaced that PP1 zone entry.

In a perfect world your draftee’s fill in, but I don’t think Wahlstrom was or will be a top line guy. Eberle like him or not, had some timely goals for the isles. Again, never replaced.

He did, yes. But does anyone actually think his deal wasn’t verbally in place PRIOR to the trade?

No way Zito trades all those parts for one year of Tkachuk.
- Wildschwein

Yeah I think you’re allowed (if given permission) to talk to the agent and hammer out a deal. I’m certain they did that.

Last season there was no Leddy and no Romanov. I’m a fan of Dobson, but he wasn’t replacing Leddy last year. I believe Lou went in on Ryan Suter as Leddys replacement and came up empty. Again, never replaced that PP1 zone entry.

In a perfect world your draftee’s fill in, but I don’t think Wahlstrom was or will be a top line guy. Eberle like him or not, had some timely goals for the isles. Again, never replaced.
- kindlyrick

Too soon to give up on Wahlstrom. Islanders have to do a better job in developing offensive forwards and cannot try to turn them into chip and chase type players. Wahlstrom was a high #1 pick and is an offensive minded player.