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kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.21.2007

Jul 25 @ 12:35 PM ET
I think he is in the fold and theories that we've remained quiet to work other deals may be accurate. In a vacuum, I don't like the idea of signing him for a few reasons.
At 31, Kadri is heading towards the downslope of his career while coming off career numbers. I think it's safe to say that his numbers were boosted playing on the best team in the NHL. He's obviously looking for a payday based on this. The Isles have a number of core guys over 30. A signing of Kadri only makes sense if Lou has a significant follow-up trade that unloads an older expensive player (Bailey?). Meanwhile, that still leaves us in need of a top line sniper. At that stage you are either hoping that comes in the form of Wahlstrom coming of age or yet another trade.
Adding Kadri is a move for a team in 'win now' mode. If we don't get that top line forward who can get 35-40 goals, I'm not sure we're much closer than before

- keaner17


If the isles found a way to add Kadri, while trading for Tarasenko they’re an absolute cup contender. They would obviously have to clear salary…..perhaps Nelson gets traded as part of the package to add Tarasenko and Kadri takes over the 2C?
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.21.2007

Jul 25 @ 12:38 PM ET
I think he helps and brings something this team really doesn’t have. With that said I don’t think he’s worth whatever he’s going to get paid between money and term. I think I can say this without even seeing his contract.
- Cptmjl


I’ve liked Kadri for years. Terrible move by the Leafs getting rid of him. He brings that element that the leafs lack badly. You might be right about overpaying, but in fairness the guy did hit the 30 goal mark back to back years with the leafs. Personally I think he’d be the best fit for the right side of PP1, and could hit the 30 goal mark again. Guys prob got 4-5 years left in him.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 25 @ 12:44 PM ET
I’ve liked Kadri for years. Terrible move by the Leafs getting rid of him. He brings that element that the leafs lack badly. You might be right about overpaying, but in fairness the guy did hit the 30 goal mark back to back years with the leafs. Personally I think he’d be the best fit for the right side of PP1, and could hit the 30 goal mark again. Guys prob got 4-5 years left in him.
- kindlyrick

Yeah I like Kadri just not a fan of his age, how much he probably has left in the tank, and most likely his new contract.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 25 @ 12:45 PM ET
If the isles found a way to add Kadri, while trading for Tarasenko they’re an absolute cup contender. They would obviously have to clear salary…..perhaps Nelson gets traded as part of the package to add Tarasenko and Kadri takes over the 2C?
- kindlyrick

Pretty crazy thought but who knows.

Imagine at the end of this we still have Beau and Bailey but lose Nelson
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.21.2007

Jul 25 @ 12:49 PM ET
Pretty crazy thought but who knows.

Imagine at the end of this we still have Beau and Bailey but lose Nelson

- Cptmjl


If a Kadri deal is in place, he would be the 2C I would think. The fact that Kadri hasnt been announced anywhere is obviously a lot like Parise last summer. I think Nelson has the most value, as he's been quietly a big pt producer that noone talks about. I could see him being one of the pieces going to St Louis for Tarasenko.
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.21.2007

Jul 25 @ 12:49 PM ET
Yeah I like Kadri just not a fan of his age, how much he probably has left in the tank, and most likely his new contract.
- Cptmjl



Hopefully if there is a deal, its bonus heavy
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 25 @ 1:00 PM ET
If a Kadri deal is in place, he would be the 2C I would think. The fact that Kadri hasnt been announced anywhere is obviously a lot like Parise last summer. I think Nelson has the most value, as he's been quietly a big pt producer that noone talks about. I could see him being one of the pieces going to St Louis for Tarasenko.
- kindlyrick

Not sure I would send anything else besides Nelson for tarasenko
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.21.2007

Jul 25 @ 1:07 PM ET
Not sure I would send anything else besides Nelson for tarasenko
- Cptmjl



Blues are gonna want an arm and a leg, but the reality is they are in cap trouble, and its only gonna get worse for them. There's also rumors that he's asked to be traded so that def doesnt help their bargaining stance.
Isleshockeyman
New York Islanders
Location: Lou is our savior
Joined: 11.05.2014

Jul 25 @ 1:20 PM ET
Blues are gonna want an arm and a leg, but the reality is they are in cap trouble, and its only gonna get worse for them. There's also rumors that he's asked to be traded so that def doesnt help their bargaining stance.
- kindlyrick


They have 5 forwards going to be UFA and 3 RFA after this coming season. O'Reilly & Tarasenko being the 2 big ones. Then they'll be looking for another back-up goalie as well. Right now, they're under the cap, but I agree, after next season they'll probably have some troubles.
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.21.2007

Jul 25 @ 1:22 PM ET
They have 5 forwards going to be UFA and 3 RFA after this coming season. O'Reilly & Tarasenko being the 2 big ones. Then they'll be looking for another back-up goalie as well. Right now, they're under the cap, but I agree, after next season they'll probably have some troubles.
- Isleshockeyman



Regardless of their cap issues, if the rumors are true and he's asking to be traded, he's gonna have to be moved. He's dynamic, and honestly, i dont think we've seen a player like him since Ziggy Palffy which seems like a lifetime ago.
Isleshockeyman
New York Islanders
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Joined: 11.05.2014

Jul 25 @ 1:39 PM ET
Regardless of their cap issues, if the rumors are true and he's asking to be traded, he's gonna have to be moved. He's dynamic, and honestly, i dont think we've seen a player like him since Ziggy Palffy which seems like a lifetime ago.
- kindlyrick


He'll probably get moved at some point, but they don't HAVE to trade him. Of course they're going to want to get something in return rather than let him walk for nothing. And I would definitely want him.
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.21.2007

Jul 25 @ 1:44 PM ET
He'll probably get moved at some point, but they don't HAVE to trade him. Of course they're going to want to get something in return rather than let him walk for nothing. And I would definitely want him.
- Isleshockeyman



Its also the fact that he's asked to be moved. I guess that gets dicey.....yeah he's under contract, but usually when a players asks to be moved, its in everyones best interest. Apparently he had issues with their team doctors i believe?

I agree, he's a top line player for sure.....its been a while since we've seen the complete package. I have battered wife syndrome with the litany of Grabners, and Satans thrown on that top line. Its like when someone puts the BMW emblem on their honda lol
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 25 @ 2:09 PM ET
Blues are gonna want an arm and a leg, but the reality is they are in cap trouble, and its only gonna get worse for them. There's also rumors that he's asked to be traded so that def doesnt help their bargaining stance.
- kindlyrick

That’s not a rumor. It’s well known he wants out. He reiterated it again recently. He’s doing the right thing and playing through it till a trade happens but who knows how much longer that will last.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jul 25 @ 2:16 PM ET
I'm not in any way endorsing the idea, but I wonder if Lou isn't shopping Pageau. He's got a 16-team no trade list and would probably be much more sought-after than Bailey. Clears up a lot of money down the line too.
- eichiefs9


I don’t think Lou’s gonna trade JGP.
He acquired him when we needed that true 3rd line center and he’s been that and more. Except for last year when the whole team took a half a year off.
I get it would be easier to move him than Bailey but I just don’t see the loss of JGP to get a Kadri taking a step forward.
Just my opinion of course.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jul 25 @ 2:22 PM ET
Its also the fact that he's asked to be moved. I guess that gets dicey.....yeah he's under contract, but usually when a players asks to be moved, its in everyones best interest. Apparently he had issues with their team doctors i believe?

I agree, he's a top line player for sure.....its been a while since we've seen the complete package. I have battered wife syndrome with the litany of Grabners, and Satans thrown on that top line. Its like when someone puts the BMW emblem on their honda lol

- kindlyrick


He asked to be traded for the last 2 years and played very well last year. If they can’t get a player or players back that make sense I think they will wait and see if the team is in the hunt before trading him. That said, I believe if he gets moved it will probably be at the TD.

Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Jul 25 @ 3:08 PM ET
I don’t think Lou’s gonna trade JGP.
He acquired him when we needed that true 3rd line center and he’s been that and more. Except for last year when the whole team took a half a year off.
I get it would be easier to move him than Bailey but I just don’t see the loss of JGP to get a Kadri taking a step forward.
Just my opinion of course.

- nyisles7


Lateral at best, and iffy at that.

It’d be a colossal (frank) up IMO.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 25 @ 3:21 PM ET
Lateral at best, and iffy at that.

It’d be a colossal (frank) up IMO.

- Wildschwein

I doubt very much either JGP or Nelson will be moved but it is an interesting thought. We would be recovering assets in the process while making room literally and figuratively in a salary sense. The problem is as you stated does replacing Nelson or JGP with Kadri make us a better team? Also, we still have the issue at the wing while shifting centers around. Problem not solved. It’s never going to happen but it’s something to talk about while lameriello has the iron curtain dropped…
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.21.2007

Jul 25 @ 3:49 PM ET
He asked to be traded for the last 2 years and played very well last year. If they can’t get a player or players back that make sense I think they will wait and see if the team is in the hunt before trading him. That said, I believe if he gets moved it will probably be at the TD.
- nyisles7


I agree….but if they let him play this season, there’s time value and they will be closer and closer to getting fleeced. Better to take what you can and move on (with the isles ha)
PeteM
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 07.10.2007

Jul 25 @ 4:06 PM ET
I think he helps and brings something this team really doesn’t have. With that said I don’t think he’s worth whatever he’s going to get paid between money and term. I think I can say this without even seeing his contract.
- Cptmjl


He's going to be Andrew Ladd 2.0
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jul 25 @ 4:25 PM ET
I agree….but if they let him play this season, there’s time value and they will be closer and closer to getting fleeced. Better to take what you can and move on (with the isles ha)
- kindlyrick


LOL
Totally understand your thinking.
Although He only has this year left so unless he agrees to a new contract with the team he’s traded to now He’s basically a rental but with a longer lease.
He’s gonna want 7 or 8 years and $7.5 mil per I would think.
Looking at it from the acquiring teams side if you can get him at the trade deadline when you know what your team has it will cost you a lot less than trading for him now. Or wait until he’s a FA and lose no assets.
There are always two sides and both have to want it to make it work.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jul 25 @ 4:29 PM ET
Lateral at best, and iffy at that.

It’d be a colossal (frank) up IMO.

- Wildschwein


Agreed Schwein and have to think The Teams brain trust feel the same way.
Isleshockeyman
New York Islanders
Location: Lou is our savior
Joined: 11.05.2014

Jul 25 @ 4:31 PM ET
LOL
Totally understand your thinking.
Although He only has this year left so unless he agrees to a new contract with the team he’s traded to now He’s basically a rental but with a longer lease.
He’s gonna want 7 or 8 years and $7.5 mil per I would think.
Looking at it from the acquiring teams side if you can get him at the trade deadline when you know what your team has it will cost you a lot less than trading for him now. Or wait until he’s a FA and lose no assets.
There are always two sides and both have to want it to make it work.

- nyisles7



He's making $7.5 now. I think he's going want $8m-$9m per and a 7 year deal. That would be my guess. If they let him play out the whole year, somehow, and he has another 30-40 goal season he might want more money than that. Maybe around $10m.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jul 25 @ 4:32 PM ET
If a Kadri deal is in place, he would be the 2C I would think. The fact that Kadri hasnt been announced anywhere is obviously a lot like Parise last summer. I think Nelson has the most value, as he's been quietly a big pt producer that noone talks about. I could see him being one of the pieces going to St Louis for Tarasenko.
- kindlyrick


Don’t see Nelson getting traded even for Tank.
One step forward 2 steps back imho.
Isleshockeyman
New York Islanders
Location: Lou is our savior
Joined: 11.05.2014

Jul 25 @ 4:34 PM ET
Agreed Schwein and have to think The Teams brain trust feel the same way.
- nyisles7



Yeah, I would think you'd want Barzy, Kadri , JGP & Zeeker down the middle. Unless Nelly gets traded, move him to the wing.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jul 25 @ 4:37 PM ET
He's making $7.5 now. I think he's going want $8m-$9m per and a 7 year deal. That would be my guess. If they let him play out the whole year, somehow, and he has another 30-40 goal season he might want more money than that. Maybe around $10m.
- Isleshockeyman


I think the Caps lateral move the past 3 years and predicted to not go up much in the next 3 has actually put a stall on the salaries.
He could want 12 million IGM but the economics of the league and teams will dictate where the salaries are. Just looking at what JG and MT signed for is less than people thought these two 100 point players would get.
Of course just my opinion.
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