CF must use a magic 8 ball as an advisor because he is all over the place.
Who is going to play goal behind Hart? I would assume Sandstrom at this point.
That is a leap of faith you can’t afford to take if your going all in on JG.
If Hart gets hurt your putting the season in the hands of an unknown player.
The flyers also can’t afford to trade either first round pick.
If you have thoughts of getting JG then the Deangelo trade makes even less sense.
Without looking at cap hits etc if the flyers held status quo on D even with knowing Ellis would be put on LTIR they could have held onto 1st rounders.
That may require a contract for JG to be back loaded.
Even the reported term of 7 years that NJ offered is to long.
I wouldn’t go past 4 years.
Just forget about it Chuck.
- bird_dog_pa

There's a real risk, at 5'9" 150 lbs, that if he loses a step as he get's older he loses all value.

The lack of any sort of long term plan is glaring but I doubt Fletcher is on the hotseat. Why? Because he doesn't make any decisions. For him to be held responsible he'd have to be responsible for something. Anyone who would fire him has agreed with everything he's done or else he wouldn't have done them.
- Flyers_01

He is the President and GM. He answers to himself. That is a huge issue. No one to keep him in check or offer outside thoughts.

Any other GM's also the President of their team?

good one Bill

There's a real risk, at 5'9" 150 lbs, that if he loses a step as he get's older he loses all value.
- Flyers_01

I agree but I also prefer older players who are elite skaters, it is just not a step, it is his edgework that makes him really good.

I still cant get over the fact that we needed Tony DeAngelo last off-season but we signed Yandle instead and saved a whopping 100k.

I don't see a path where Gaudreau lands on this team without giving up JVR and even then you're right back to being back up against the cap with other holes still to fill. Would definitely be cool to have a bunch of Jersey boys on the team all at once but I honestly have little to no faith Fletcher and Co. can figure this out.

Would be very cool if Johnny Hockey took a 1+8 kind of deal. That's the kind of stuff that turns a player into a local legend. You can't really show anymore dedication to a city and fan base as an athlete.

I still cant get over the fact that we needed Tony DeAngelo last off-season but we signed Yandle instead and saved a whopping 100k.


- mochoson

A player will take that kind of deal to play on a really good team like Carolina. He won't to play on a bad team like the Flyers.

There's a real risk, at 5'9" 150 lbs, that if he loses a step as he get's older he loses all value.
- Flyers_01

If Johnny loses 2 steps he's still skating and stickhandling around the most of the league. No problem IMO giving him 7 or 8 years. Just don't see how the cap would work.

The correlation is that another division rival found a way to get everyone they truly wanted under contract. It's no secret that the Flyers Plan A has been JG.
- bmeltzer

Got it, though it is 2 totally diff scenarios to me. Malkin and Letang clearly had very little interest in leaving Pitt. They took 100% less money to stay. That was there call. They made it happen.

Plan A has been JG for how many months now? Yet the Dunce still f'ed it up not having the cap space. How does he not allocate having the money to sign him? Easy he is just flat out bad at his job. They had an idea he wanted to come home yet did a piss poor job planning for it. How can one not crack up laughing at these fools.

If I am a player I stay far away from this organization unless I am an over the hill vet looking for 1 last contract. This roster has very little appeal.

Amazing to think a team like Seattle or Buffalo could take our first round pick and JVR for nothing. Then come the trade deadline flip him for another first rounder to a contender. FML

Maybe the path is to trade Konecny now to find the space and flip JVR when real value is an option.

I think the best bet is to hold and keep picks and move JVR at deadline then find a JG down the road. Going to likely be looking at a pick in the 8-12 range next year even though Torts will get the best out of who ever is on the roster. there are going to be a lot of losses with the injuries to start the season.

The correlation is that another division rival found a way to get everyone they truly wanted under contract. It's no secret that the Flyers Plan A has been JG.
- bmeltzer

A player will take that kind of deal to play on a really good team like Carolina. He won't to play on a bad team like the Flyers.
- MJL

I don't necessarily disagree because Tony definitely wanted to find a good situation so he could salvage his career and it worked. I will counter by saying that Tony probably would have at least considered it being his childhood team and having all his family still in South Jersey, but he probably would have needed a little more money than a mil (which the Flyers didn't have).

You raise a fair point.

I still cant get over the fact that we needed Tony DeAngelo last off-season but we signed Yandle instead and saved a whopping 100k.

I don't see a path where Gaudreau lands on this team without giving up JVR and even then you're right back to being back up against the cap with other holes still to fill. Would definitely be cool to have a bunch of Jersey boys on the team all at once but I honestly have little to no faith Fletcher and Co. can figure this out.

Would be very cool if Johnny Hockey took a 1+8 kind of deal. That's the kind of stuff that turns a player into a local legend. You can't really show anymore dedication to a city and fan base as an athlete.
- mochoson

I don’t see a path where Gaudreau comes here at all. Even if he’s interested, you have to think maybe agents, family, friends, positive influences might be steering him away from this team. There is no direction and I think players look at this before signing anywhere. At least NJ has a direction ad building blocks towards that direction.

MDZ > Nick Seeler.

I still cant get over the fact that we needed Tony DeAngelo last off-season but we signed Yandle instead and saved a whopping 100k.

I don't see a path where Gaudreau lands on this team without giving up JVR and even then you're right back to being back up against the cap with other holes still to fill. Would definitely be cool to have a bunch of Jersey boys on the team all at once but I honestly have little to no faith Fletcher and Co. can figure this out.

Would be very cool if Johnny Hockey took a 1+8 kind of deal. That's the kind of stuff that turns a player into a local legend. You can't really show anymore dedication to a city and fan base as an athlete.
- mochoson

But that 1+8...is it a reasonable 6 some million on 1 then 12m for 8? Kind of risky though for JG, what if there's a bad season or injury and the Flyers walk away and he doesn't get what he could of this year?

For the Flyers it seems like a dream scenario, but there is no way in "Comcast Land" that JG's agent let's him do that.

I still cant get over the fact that we needed Tony DeAngelo last off-season but we signed Yandle instead and saved a whopping 100k.

I don't see a path where Gaudreau lands on this team without giving up JVR and even then you're right back to being back up against the cap with other holes still to fill. Would definitely be cool to have a bunch of Jersey boys on the team all at once but I honestly have little to no faith Fletcher and Co. can figure this out.

Would be very cool if Johnny Hockey took a 1+8 kind of deal. That's the kind of stuff that turns a player into a local legend. You can't really show anymore dedication to a city and fan base as an athlete.
- mochoson

If it's true that his wife wants him to live here, just maybe they go and say, listen, I want to play here. Let's find some what it works. If he signs a long deal and somehow we get on a coherent path to building a team then he might be here when iit turns around.

JVR, the Panthers 3rd in 2023 and your 1st in 2024 to the Hawks for Tampa’s 2nd in 2023.

The correlation is that another division rival found a way to get everyone they truly wanted under contract. It's no secret that the Flyers Plan A has been JG.
- bmeltzer

Hope the Devils sign JG, because I'm dying to see what Plan B is.

10.2 according to Ek for 7 years. Did he grab this from Tyler???

Got it, though it is 2 totally diff scenarios to me. Malkin and Letang clearly had very little interest in leaving Pitt. They took 100% less money to stay. That was there call. They made it happen.

Plan A has been JG for how many months now? Yet the Dunce still f'ed it up not having the cap space. How does he not allocate having the money to sign him? Easy he is just flat out bad at his job. They had an idea he wanted to come home yet did a piss poor job planning for it. How can one not crack up laughing at these fools.

If I am a player I stay far away from this organization unless I am an over the hill vet looking for 1 last contract. This roster has very little appeal.
- hello it's me 2050

What may happen is that they might sign him and make moves after the fact before the season starts. If they have 3.4 mil left on the cap and can go 10% above, then that's 11 mil. They would then need to clear space for other players etc. Or they might know Ellis is going to LTIR. I don't necessarily like the idea because other teams would ask for the moon to clear cap for them. Dealing from weakness.

Looks like JG is going to save the Flyersfrom themselves by signing with NJ. Given the choice between the 2 NJ is a no brainers. Up and coming young team with talent. Now watch Fletcher panic and go give Kadri a 7yr 10M deal. Would be so Flyers.

What may happen is that they might sign him and make moves after the fact before the season starts. If they have 3.4 mil left on the cap and can go 10% above, then that's 11 mil. They would then need to clear space for other players etc. Or they might know Ellis is going to LTIR. I don't necessarily like the idea because other teams would ask for the moon to clear cap for them. Dealing from weakness.
- Hextall271

Not a really good idea but I wouldn't put it past Fletcher.

I would also like to know how those contract negotiations went seeing as how it was reported that TDA was asking for much less from Carolina in term and money to stay. My guess is that the Flyers bid against themselves with both the picks and contract.
- Flyers_01

Carolina GM already stated they could not give him 10 mill. It wasn’t that TDA offered to stay in car for less. Just wish we had a Slavin to help support TDAs game…

What may happen is that they might sign him and make moves after the fact before the season starts. If they have 3.4 mil left on the cap and can go 10% above, then that's 11 mil. They would then need to clear space for other players etc. Or they might know Ellis is going to LTIR. I don't necessarily like the idea because other teams would ask for the moon to clear cap for them. Dealing from weakness.
- Hextall271

They knew he was their target. They did nothing to prepare for it. Total management failure.

Hope the Devils sign JG, because I'm dying to see what Plan B is.
- PLindbergh31

If he didn’t sign back in Calgary then he already knows where he is going. With the buyout of Lindblom, I’m sure Fletch has his plan in place….I just don’t think he would be stupid enough to move the 1rst rnd pick for next years draft for the JVR trade.
Plan B is not a plan I want to see.

Not a really good idea but I wouldn't put it past Fletcher.
- MJL

Yeah. I know we spoke of it yesterday and I agree. I just pray pray pray we don't go and trade the firsts next year and 2024. Keep them. If you want to play cap gymnastics go ahead but don't spend assets.