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Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jul 13 @ 8:54 AM ET
If I'm not mistaken, teams can spend over the cap by 10% in the off season, no?

I could see chuck doing that and then worrying about cap compliance in the future.

So JVR doesnt need to be moved right now, but poop would need to be resolved before the end of the off season.

- Sir_Robot_Farts


Posted that earlier. With the buyout yesterday, we'd have 11 mil with my rudimentary guess if we went over 10 percent. Then you place Bee and Ellis on LTIR to start the season. It COULD work but we also have RFA to re sign and a hole on D. Theoretically you could do it and then sort out JVR later as you say. I also don't know what money we'd save with sending him to the A? Maybe a mil?
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jul 13 @ 8:55 AM ET
Not saying he’s not a good player but tkatchuk is going to get money like he’s top of the food chain, you watch him in the playoffs?
- ClaudeFather


In Philly….he doesn’t have to worry about the playoffs.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jul 13 @ 8:58 AM ET
No player’s point totals stay steadily in the hundreds year after year. Tkachuk is legit and he’ll be fine.
- SuperSchennBros

Not interested in a guy getting $10M a year for 70 points
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 13 @ 9:03 AM ET
Not interested in a guy getting $10M a year for 70 points
- ClaudeFather


I agree with you on the money but Tkachuk is only 24 years old. Regardless of if he loses Gaudreau or not, this passed season should do wonders for his play moving forward. I’m not expecting another 115 point season from Gaudreau once the two players are split but I expect both to find linemates that will continue allow them to be really good players.
PatrickHatrick3
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.31.2018

Jul 13 @ 9:03 AM ET
Perhaps if Fletcher could do some actual GM'ing...he could pull of 2 trades to clear cap space. Trade JVR retaining salary, with a lesser pick, 3rd or 4th maybe. And then make a hockey trade, moving out a salary like Konency, for a player that has potential, but hasn't been a fit with his current team? Puljarrvi, tolvanen, Crouse, etc. and of course would have a lower cap hit....you'd still be making a dump, but doesn't cost your 1st, and leaves you upside.
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Jul 13 @ 9:05 AM ET
I have serious doubts that Ellis is going to be ready to start the season and if he is, if he can stay in the lineup. So if the Flyers want to be a good team, they have to know how weak that right side of the defense is. Realistically if they want to be a good team. You're right, they need another RH shot defenseman at least in the short term. I agree, Attard would benefit from some AHL time.
- MJL


During the last 15 years has any team come remotely close to spending the amount of money and man games lost to over 30 expensive defensemen? Not even factoring in the assets in acquiring them.

Hatcher, Rathje, Pronger, Ellis .. am I missing anyone?


Keyser soze
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.28.2020

Jul 13 @ 9:07 AM ET
I really don’t think JG comes here, this does make for interesting conversation. Really I think the flyers get caught with their pants down and do nothing today. Which would be best. Next year supposed to be a great draft, load up on picks please.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jul 13 @ 9:07 AM ET
I agree with you on the money but Tkachuk is only 24 years old. Regardless of if he loses Gaudreau or not, this passed season should do wonders for his play moving forward. I’m not expecting another 115 point season from Gaudreau once the two players are split but I expect both to find linemates that will continue allow them to be really good players.
- SuperSchennBros

Past season
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 13 @ 9:07 AM ET
Maybe they need to think about it another way.

Move contracts like Konecny and say Laughton.

Sign Gaudreau and he helps JVR score 30 this year.

Move JVR at deadline because he'll have value and your still not in a playoff spot.

MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 13 @ 9:07 AM ET
I have serious doubts that Ellis is going to be ready to start the season and if he is, if he can stay in the lineup. So if the Flyers want to be a good team, they have to know how weak that right side of the defense is. Realistically if they want to be a good team. You're right, they need another RH shot defenseman at least in the short term. I agree, Attard would benefit from some AHL time.
- MJL





I dont want to see them compound one mistake by saddling York with another Keith Yandle type situation and then punish him for his dropoff in play.


It was organizational malfeasance to put that kid on the ice with that stiff AND make him play his off side, then put it on him that his stats dropped off.


Just one in a long line of developMENTAL blunders.

MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 13 @ 9:08 AM ET
TSN says Giroux is going to Ottawa. (Sirius NHL channel)
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 13 @ 9:08 AM ET
I really don’t think JG comes here, this does make for interesting conversation. Really I think the flyers get caught with their pants down and do nothing today. Which would be best. Next year supposed to be a great draft, load up on picks please.
- Keyser soze

Oh they’ll do something. Just something more damaging to the organization then anyone was expect and even less satisfying then signing Johnny Gaudreau.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 13 @ 9:09 AM ET
At least a job at all.

No can do. Paid vacation this week, son.

- SuperSchennBros

see unlike you I do not need to work. I am retired Holmes.

Where you headed?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 13 @ 9:09 AM ET
TSN says Giroux is going to Ottawa. (Sirius NHL channel)
- MBFlyerfan

winning def a priority for CC.....if true of course
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 13 @ 9:10 AM ET
Past season
- ClaudeFather

So you think Matthew Tkachuk just is what he is? He’s not even in the prime of his career yet.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jul 13 @ 9:12 AM ET
So you think Matthew Tkachuk just is what he is? He’s not even in the prime of his career yet.
- SuperSchennBros

I think he’s probably just under a PPG guy and people over value his stupidity
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jul 13 @ 9:12 AM ET
TSN says Giroux is going to Ottawa. (Sirius NHL channel)
- MBFlyerfan

Good for him. Go home and be a part of a young exciting group that could be a really good team very soon.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 13 @ 9:13 AM ET
see unlike you I do not need to work. I am retired Holmes.

Where you headed?

- hello it's me 2050

You’re retired?

I always thought it was a strange mix that you pick fights like a spoiled 14 year old kid but call people on this board names outdated references going back to the 50’s and 60’s.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 13 @ 9:13 AM ET
winning def a priority for CC.....if true of course
- hello it's me 2050



Ottawa just added Debrincat, I think they are looking to take a big step forward.

They may be better than you think.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 13 @ 9:15 AM ET
I think he’s probably just under a PPG guy and people over value his stupidity
- ClaudeFather

I’ll take Matthew Tkachuk’s stupidity over Travis Konency’s. Thachuk actually upsets people and produces. Konency is just a flee…which actually would be a good nickname for him.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 13 @ 9:22 AM ET
Robert Thomas getting 8 at 8 aav from the Blues.



hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 13 @ 9:23 AM ET
You’re retired?

I always thought it was a strange mix that you pick fights like a spoiled 14 year old kid but call people on this board names outdated references going back to the 50’s and 60’s.

- SuperSchennBros

what part of retired did you not grasp? pick fights, sad what this country has become.

Where you headed for vacation?
Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Jul 13 @ 9:25 AM ET
Ottawa just added Debrincat, I think they are looking to take a big step forward.

They may be better than you think.

- MBFlyerfan

Pretty much every other team doing it right ‘cept for these dopes.
Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Jul 13 @ 9:25 AM ET
Pretty much every other team doing it right ‘cept for these dopes.
- Sinisalo4vr

hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 13 @ 9:26 AM ET
Ottawa just added Debrincat, I think they are looking to take a big step forward.

They may be better than you think.

- MBFlyerfan

Better, yes. Still not a contender and not a cup contender next few years.

Still have a huge hole in goal and D not all that great.

Ottawa blogger said Chicago and Arizona would take Zaitsev off their hands for a 2nd. He is a bottom pair guy with 2 years left. Dorian is terrible GM.

Shows you what others think of Chuck as trying to rake him over the coals for a productive JVR.
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