Agree to disagree. Trudeau is still PM. Many can't cross the border to see their family. Apparently, JG's family were part of this.
- FLflames34

I think that's part of it for sure. Calgary is remote enough then making travel a complete gong show. And there's still a threat of future lockdowns. At least they are now within a days drive with no silly border restrictions if things get bad again.

some claiming one person in CGY was either hated by JG or other way around, people joking it's Conroy because he talks too much lmao..
- eastcanadAREaholes

If only we had given Johnny an assistant captain role. That might have made a big big difference.

Come on people. He is gone. ENOUGH with the theories. Lets move on. O.K.

If only we had given Johnny an assistant captain role. That might have made a big big difference.

Come on people. He is gone. ENOUGH with the theories. Lets move on. O.K.
- Fan the Flame

If only they had hired his dad as an assistant

I've always valued Calgary as an organization that won't sh*t the bed for draft picks and a rebuild. I've always admired them for always trying to compete with what they have, and not take the easy route by clearing house. Even with so many critics/fans saying otherwise. Example; Leafs, Oilers, Avalanche... Great clubs right now, but when those players leave or grow old you're back to treating players like meat and you're never happy unless you are holding the cup. I'd rather cheer for a decent hardworking honest team for 80 years, then to have them take the cowardly route and be a pissy fan every year because they didn't sell the farm every turn of a decade.
If they do what you're proposing, they would lose me as a 30+ year fan.

With Tkachuk likely leaving in a year as well, it's time to be rational and aim for a quick 2-3 years rebuild. We have the pieces to do it.

Send Tkachuk and Tanev to NJ for Bernier (cap dump), Johnsson (cap dump), Mercer, Nemec and their 2023 1rst round pick (unprotected).

Lindholm has perhaps the best non-entry value contract in the NHL (2 more years at less than 5M, can you believe it). Any contender would empty the farm to have him. Problem for Calgary is, he will likely cost 7-8M when he'll be up for his new contract.

Send Lindholm to NYR (50% retained) to play RW on the Panarin/Trocheck and get Reaves (cap dump), Kakko, Ohtmann and their 2023 1rst round pick (unprotected).

You keep Hanifin and Andersson as they're still young, under contract and will likely not break the bank on their next one.

You just added Mercer, Kakko and Othmann to Zary and Pelletier up front for prospect depth, and Nemec to an already young up and coming d-corps.

You've also got 3 1rst round picks in a strong draft, with a slim chance at drafting Connor Bedard.

You suck in 2023, 2024, but might very well be a force to reckon with from 2025-2030.

Yeah, I'm likely dreaming, I know. But I had been strongly advocating a rebuild 2 years ago when JG still had 2 years and Monahan was still an asset with value. Now I just feel we're in the same spot, but without less tools.
- redseerpf

I've always valued Calgary as an organization that won't sh*t the bed for draft picks and a rebuild. I've always admired them for always trying to compete with what they have, and not take the easy route by clearing house. Even with so many critics/fans saying otherwise. Example; Leafs, Oilers, Avalanche... Great clubs right now, but when those players leave or grow old you're back to treating players like meat and you're never happy unless you are holding the cup. I'd rather cheer for a decent hardworking honest team for 80 years, then to have them take the cowardly route and be a pissy fan every year because they didn't sell the farm every turn of a decade.
If they do what you're proposing, they would lose me as a 30+ year fan.

Turd you need to learn how to look at a map and the only idiot on this site is you.

- FlamesFan1230

I'm very confused how Ohio could at all be considered Mid-West. If people from Columbus/Ohio consider it mid-west, I find their map reading logic questionable at best. It's directly south of / below Eastern Ontario. It's mid-East to Eastern United States easily. It's hours closer to his and his wife's family by Plane! Direct flights... no border restrictions.

No idea what the tax implications are but there's no way the 15 million offered by the Flames (higher taxes) was that much difference in take-home pay. Factor in quality of life (his perceived QoL), cost of living (no idea what his costs would be like there vs. Cgy), being in his home country and having family and friends come to watch games much easier, and playing the Eastern teams way more... who knows what the difference is. Obviously for him, it was the right decision. I hope Flames fan don't boo him when he returns, he doesn't deserve it.

I'm very confused how Ohio could at all be considered Mid-West. If people from Columbus/Ohio consider it mid-west, I find their map reading logic questionable at best. It's directly south of / below Eastern Ontario. It's mid-East to Eastern United States easily. It's hours closer to his and his wife's family by Plane! Direct flights... no border restrictions.

No idea what the tax implications are but there's no way the 15 million offered by the Flames (higher taxes) was that much difference in take-home pay. Factor in quality of life (his perceived QoL), cost of living (no idea what his costs would be like there vs. Cgy), being in his home country and having family and friends come to watch games much easier, and playing the Eastern teams way more... who knows what the difference is. Obviously for him, it was the right decision. I hope Flames fan don't boo him when he returns, he doesn't deserve it.
- quinneroma

I always and will continue to blame Trudeau! Johnny doesn’t like needles so he left before he had to get his 4th booster.

Seems clear it was wanting to go back anywhere in the eastern US.
- TurdFergeson

Didn't he turn down more money from NJD? Seems to me he valued playing in a small market more than anything else. The guy just wants to be able to go grocery shopping without being asked for an autograph.

I've always valued Calgary as an organization that won't sh*t the bed for draft picks and a rebuild. I've always admired them for always trying to compete with what they have, and not take the easy route by clearing house. Even with so many critics/fans saying otherwise. Example; Leafs, Oilers, Avalanche... Great clubs right now, but when those players leave or grow old you're back to treating players like meat and you're never happy unless you are holding the cup. I'd rather cheer for a decent hardworking honest team for 80 years, then to have them take the cowardly route and be a pissy fan every year because they didn't sell the farm every turn of a decade.
If they do what you're proposing, they would lose me as a 30+ year fan.
- TycoRC

I have always respected loyalty however misguided it may seem to me.
Your opening statement about not shi**ting the bed for draft picks and a rebuild is hard to understand.
Teams are built around the draft and trades.
How would you like to have Makar, McKinnon, McDavid or Mathews.... all draft picks.
When the Flames won their Cup in 89 a major trade right before the playoffs was instrumental.
It involved Brett Hull and Steve Bozek going to St.Louis for Rob Ramage and a goalie Rick Wamsley coming to Calgary.
Brett was quite upset about it.
BUT THEY WON THE CUP AND BRETT WENT ON TO HAVE A GREAT CAREER.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH WINNING AND WINNING TEAMS TEND TO BE TREATED BETTER THAN LOSING ONES.

Somethings seems really off in Calgary, I get JG's gone, but 1) is there a rift in the locker room? 2) how deep does it run? are we to read into the Monahan wedding pic with JG, Gudbranson, Mangiapane, Hanifin, & Monahan?
Like is our roster collectively PO'd at Treliving for signing them at low deals? Did they all choose to go to Columbus as a joke? (will more Flames follow JG and Gudbranson to CLB?)
This is bizarre and I'm bracing for more dominoes to fall.

Didn't he turn down more money from NJD? Seems to me he valued playing in a small market more than anything else. The guy just wants to be able to go grocery shopping without being asked for an autograph.
- flamminghead

He did turn down more from NJ but I think you underestimate how big of a deal it is for him to chose there. He was mobbed this morning and they are pumped a big name UFA chose to go there. It may not be Calgary level celebrity by he will still be a big name in a smaller city.

Somethings seems really off in Calgary, I get JG's gone, but 1) is there a rift in the locker room? 2) how deep does it run? are we to read into the Monahan wedding pic with JG, Gudbranson, Mangiapane, Hanifin, & Monahan?
Like is our roster collectively PO'd at Treliving for signing them at low deals? Did they all choose to go to Columbus as a joke? (will more Flames follow JG and Gudbranson to CLB?)
This is bizarre and I'm bracing for more dominoes to fall.
- eastcanadAREaholes

I think Tkachuk is a cancer. Not an insider but I travel quite a bit and have seen the team at the airport many times. Tkachuk was always off by himself. Always last through security. He always stuck out as being the loner.

I'm very confused how Ohio could at all be considered Mid-West. If people from Columbus/Ohio consider it mid-west, I find their map reading logic questionable at best. It's directly south of / below Eastern Ontario. It's mid-East to Eastern United States easily. It's hours closer to his and his wife's family by Plane! Direct flights... no border restrictions.

No idea what the tax implications are but there's no way the 15 million offered by the Flames (higher taxes) was that much difference in take-home pay. Factor in quality of life (his perceived QoL), cost of living (no idea what his costs would be like there vs. Cgy), being in his home country and having family and friends come to watch games much easier, and playing the Eastern teams way more... who knows what the difference is. Obviously for him, it was the right decision. I hope Flames fan don't boo him when he returns, he doesn't deserve it.
- quinneroma

The term probably goes back to when places like Minnesota, Kansas and Oklahoma were the “West”.
Not exactly accurate nowadays, but the term has remained through the years

I think Tkachuk is a cancer. Not an insider but I travel quite a bit and have seen the team at the airport many times. Tkachuk was always off by himself. Always last through security. He always stuck out as being the loner.
- TurdFergeson

Then he should be happy in NJ with Dougie H 😂😂😂

I've always valued Calgary as an organization that won't sh*t the bed for draft picks and a rebuild. I've always admired them for always trying to compete with what they have, and not take the easy route by clearing house. Even with so many critics/fans saying otherwise. Example; Leafs, Oilers, Avalanche... Great clubs right now, but when those players leave or grow old you're back to treating players like meat and you're never happy unless you are holding the cup. I'd rather cheer for a decent hardworking honest team for 80 years, then to have them take the cowardly route and be a pissy fan every year because they didn't sell the farm every turn of a decade.
If they do what you're proposing, they would lose me as a 30+ year fan.
- TycoRC

Fair enough.

But even a team like the Avalanche didn't scare away from trading Matt Duchene, a top player, because he didn't fit with where they were at the time. That scored them Sam Girard, Bowen Byram, and Cale Makar if we stretch the logic.

I think that's where we are with Tkachuk and Lindholm. Sell high. Take one step back to make one huge leap forward in 2 years.

He did turn down more from NJ but I think you underestimate how big of a deal it is for him to chose there. He was mobbed this morning and they are pumped a big name UFA chose to go there. It may not be Calgary level celebrity by he will still be a big name in a smaller city.
- TurdFergeson

No, the reports are saying Lou/Islanders offered 9.0 for 7 years, Jersey were in close to the 9.5 for 7 & Columbus came i at the 9.8 for 7 despite reports they were offering 12.0 for 7. Flames were confirmed at 10.5 for 8 which is where the almost $16.0 mill less to go to Columbus.Either Seravalli or Lebrun confirmed this.

Sounds to me that the agent who I hear is a d!ckwad, played this & Treliving was dumb enough to fall for it to leverage a big number for when they went to market. Treliving seemed pretty pi$$ed so I can imagine this was true. When he got to market Lu said whoa JG had the classic monster year in a contract year. The 2 previous years he was less than a point a game. Jersey same thing, saw forum rumour boards saying Jersey were 10.2 for 7, obviously not as GM's were actual looking at his numbers. JG got us past the 1st round twice in the 8-9 years he was here, otherwise, he never carried the team anywhere. Hard to justify a 10.0 in front of his salary. But I get it, JG wanted back to what you said, anywhere in eastern US. Sh!t happens & if we have a friggin nightmare lockdown again, now he's apart from family when they have a little one. He wont have that problem now. I get it. Im disappointed he allowed his agent to play Treliving. That wasnt too classy. But, wow, Treliving is coming across as pretty gullible & stupid on this one. Philly wanted to be in & that was a prime destination JG wanted to go but they had no cap space. The panels were saying the cost to eating JVR's contract was huge & had a 1st attached to it (despite what people think his value is, no one does anyone favours in the NHL) They werent about to do that if they werent guaranteed Gaudreau. Thats where I think honesty & a more savvy GM than Treliving could have made a deal at the draft where everyone were coming out of it feeling they got something.

Oh well, time to move on. But I sure hope Treliving learned a huge lesson & realize the red flags are flapping on both Tkachuk & Mangi. I had heard the best scenarios for both would be 4-5 year deals & then they would both still be in their 20's & the cap in the next 3-4 years is supposed to go way up. To me, give Tkachuk his 9.0 mill + the C for Captain on a 5 year deal. Give Mangi a Kempe type 4 or 5 year deal & then pivot. We'll still have a decent top line with Lindholm Tkachuk & Mangi.

Just my humble opinion to anyone who could give a sh!t
& if you dont fck ya!

The sad thing looking back at the post-Iginla rebuild, was that Treliving kept saying they wanted good players and good people with good character.. here we are after: Bill Peters, Sam Bennett, and now Gaudreau..

Jankowski signed with NSH $750K

Jankowski signed with NSH $750K
- VeryModernMan

Cheap for the best player from that draft class!

Do you think Tre is in Kadri sweepstakes? What would be your upper limit?

Do you think Tre is in Kadri sweepstakes? What would be your upper limit?
- VeryModernMan

I would be surprised if he's not and I would be fishing with 7 x 7, 5 x 7.75 or 3 x 8.25.
He's running out of options and I don't see how the Av's could touch those offers.

Do you think Tre is in Kadri sweepstakes? What would be your upper limit?
- VeryModernMan

Kadri has said no to a trade once to Calgary, he can say he said no because he did not want to leave Toronto, but that is just saving face.

Love the player but signing >30 players to multiyear deals when their best days are done is not a way to win, it pretty much guarantees mediocrity.

Agree to disagree. Trudeau is still PM. Many can't cross the border to see their family. Apparently, JG's family were part of this.
- FLflames34

Yes that’s how it is now but poop is relaxing more and more. I went to Houston in April and needed Vaccination proof as well as a negative test . I didn’t need anything to come home ( they didn’t check anyway). Im going to Germany in 2 weeks and I need to be Vaccinated but no testing.

Im going to Germany in 2 weeks and I need to be Vaccinated but no testing.
- HonkyTonkMan

Honky, where do you go to? Indeed here in Germany testing is not necessary in summer, and masks just in rare cases (doc/hospital/...).

Honky, where do you go to? Indeed here in Germany testing is not necessary in summer, and masks just in rare cases (doc/hospital/...).
- VeryModernMan

I land in Frankfurt then train to Berlin for a few days to wander the streets again ( it’s been over 10 years). Then train to Hamburg for a punk festival and fly home. Short trip, only 10 days including travel.