Nasty_Duck
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No, no they won’t. This thread is full of “fans” who don’t realize that the bruins have been a top 5 franchise the last 10 years and think they’re the smartest person in the room. Jeremy Jacobs is still the boogeyman. Every cup run was luck. If you’re not hating you’re a pink hat though, right!?!? This management group has made countless mistakes. I don’t love them. Doesn’t mean they’re the worst and incapable of making good moves - Shaundre93
And you're a fan who doesn't seem to realize the Bruins have changed a lot in the last 3-4 years.
No Rask - who was a huge part of the Bruins past 10 year success. If you think Ulmark/Swayman are equal substitutes you are nuts.
Bruins are filling the CAP with a lot of dead weight, thanks to Sweeney. |
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Shaundre93
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Location: Standish, ME Joined: 07.18.2013
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What salaries can be buried ? You can trade salary but you can only take back salary that fits under the cap . And the Ltir is good only until those players come back . Last year Sweeney added players he thought would make a big difference. They didn’t. This year he can’t add by signings or by trading futures or young low salaried players for established higher salaried players. Why ? The CAP - johnnypie
Reilly, Gryz, Smith are all easily tradeable 10M
Foligno and Wagner can be buried 1.8M
Idk the exact math but cap space accrued by placing Mac marchy and Gryz on IR will earn the bruins more space to work with
Incentive money pushed to next year where cap space is less important
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Shaundre93
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Location: Standish, ME Joined: 07.18.2013
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And you're a fan who doesn't seem to realize the Bruins have changed a lot in the last 3-4 years.
No Rask - who was a huge part of the Bruins past 10 year success. If you think Ulmark/Swayman are equal substitutes you are nuts.
Bruins are filling the CAP with a lot of dead weight, thanks to Sweeney. - Nasty_Duck
Of course they’re changing. Sweeney chose to build around this core instead of blowing things up in 2015(like he easily could have). That’s resulted in a pres trophy and a cup run. Idk what you guys really expect,
B’s didn’t have a chance to draft Mcdavid or Makar, did we really think we were gonna stay competitive post Bergy/marchy/Krejci core??? This team has one last chance to make a run at it this year before the door is slammed shut. I seriously don’t understand why you’re all against that
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Shaundre93
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Location: Standish, ME Joined: 07.18.2013
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Idk I guess I view this team similarly as the penguins. pens fans seem thrilled that they’re set to have another kick at the can with the good ole boys. I don’t get why we can’t be the same |
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Reilly, Gryz, Smith are all easily tradeable 10M
Foligno and Wagner can be buried 1.8M
Idk the exact math but cap space accrued by placing Mac marchy and Gryz on IR will earn the bruins more space to work with
Incentive money pushed to next year where cap space is less important - Shaundre93
I wish they would trade Grz. But don’t you take back salary in trades ? You make it like they save 10 mil if you trade those 3 players , what is coming back ? And ok so the Jacobs are going to pay Foligno almost 4 mil to play in Providence to save a million in cap space . Really. And your cap space math for next year doesn’t include Pasta a few others and the bonus penalty. No where near 20 million in cap space.
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Mahewman
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Location: NH Joined: 07.01.2009
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Idk I guess I view this team similarly as the penguins. pens fans seem thrilled that they’re set to have another kick at the can with the good ole boys. I don’t get why we can’t be the same - Shaundre93
Honestly I think the penguins should have let Malkin walk. Didn’t he sign a 4 year deal? He’s almost never healthy. When was the last time they won a series?
The main difference are that the penguins players are still down to play. Krejci and Patrice havent committed to play. I would be thrilled if Patrice wanted a multi year deal |
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No, no they won’t. This thread is full of “fans” who don’t realize that the bruins have been a top 5 franchise the last 10 years and think they’re the smartest person in the room. Jeremy Jacobs is still the boogeyman. Every cup run was luck. If you’re not hating you’re a pink hat though, right!?!? This management group has made countless mistakes. I don’t love them. Doesn’t mean they’re the worst and incapable of making good moves - Shaundre93
Just out of curiosity how old are you? What you're referring to as "fans" or "pink hats". Maybe folks like me who are bit long in the tooth and have suffered a long and abusive relationship with the franchise. Hence the near endless amount of salt.
Unfortunately I'm a (frank)ing lifer on this poop show franchise. Call it into question again and I will find you and introduce myself. Maine is not that far (frank)face... |
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Mahewman
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Location: NH Joined: 07.01.2009
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Just out of curiosity how old are you? What you're referring to as "fans" or "pink hats". Maybe folks like me who are bit long in the tooth and have suffered a long and abusive relationship with the franchise. Hence the near endless amount of salt.
Unfortunately I'm a (frank)ing lifer on this poop show franchise. Call it into question again and I will find you and introduce myself. Maine is not that far (frank)face... - glove_was_stuck
I think we just all need to grab beers and go to a game together lol we’re all of the same side. Just have varying outlooks.
At the end of the day, I’m pretty sure all of us get fired up when someone in the black and gold lights the lamp.
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I think we just all need to grab beers and go to a game together lol we’re all of the same side. Just have varying outlooks.
At the end of the day, I’m pretty sure all of us get fired up when someone in the black and gold lights the lamp. - Mahewman
Bingo! Also written communication ALWAYS translates poorly. It's why the internet is a dumpster fire in the 1st place.
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Mahewman
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Location: NH Joined: 07.01.2009
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Bingo! Also written communication ALWAYS translates poorly. It's why the internet is a dumpster fire in the 1st place. - glove_was_stuck
I have four tickets so if any of you idiots want to have a hockey buzz night. I’m in lol that would be hilarious
No Sweeney talk allowed lol |
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Shaundre93
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Location: Standish, ME Joined: 07.18.2013
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Bingo! Also written communication ALWAYS translates poorly. It's why the internet is a dumpster fire in the 1st place. - glove_was_stuck
I’m 30 y/o. I grew up watching irrelevant bruins teams. I was devastated when Thornton was traded. I remember thinking trading Raycroft for Rask was wack. I know what suck looks like and I appreciate winners. I’m not trying to poop on people but I deeply believe in this core group of players. I don’t give one poop who the GM is as long as Bergy, Krejci, Marchy, (and now mac and Pasta) and some solid supporting cast are around I’ll believe in this team. I think too much energy is spent in this thread worrying about things that are outside of our control instead of the possibilities ahead |
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Nasty_Duck
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Location: ON Joined: 06.20.2012
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I’m 30 y/o. I grew up watching irrelevant bruins teams. I was devastated when Thornton was traded. I remember thinking trading Raycroft for Rask was wack. I know what suck looks like and I appreciate winners. I’m not trying to poop on people but I deeply believe in this core group of players. I don’t give one poop who the GM is as long as Bergy, Krejci, Marchy, (and now mac and Pasta) and some solid supporting cast are around I’ll believe in this team. I think too much energy is spent in this thread worrying about things that are outside of our control instead of the possibilities ahead - Shaundre93
You dont care who the GM is?
Current GM did not bring in the 1st 3 on your core list. But he HAS somehow managed to fill in much of the roster with a lot of pricy mediocrity - reducing available Cap by a lot. That's how you build a team that won't win the Cup.
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I’m 30 y/o. I grew up watching irrelevant bruins teams. I was devastated when Thornton was traded. I remember thinking trading Raycroft for Rask was wack. I know what suck looks like and I appreciate winners. I’m not trying to poop on people but I deeply believe in this core group of players. I don’t give one poop who the GM is as long as Bergy, Krejci, Marchy, (and now mac and Pasta) and some solid supporting cast are around I’ll believe in this team. I think too much energy is spent in this thread worrying about things that are outside of our control instead of the possibilities ahead - Shaundre93
It’s great to be optimistic. I always have hope but it’s ok to question moves that are made. I have followed the B’s since 1967. My problem is that in this era we have had one of the best core groups ,Sweeney in my opinion has been in position to put them over the top but his moves are mediocre. Sometimes the frustration of being so close is hard to take. Last 8 finals I have seen we are 1-7. This core is special and they deserve more. Not just mediocre. Biggest problem I have with Sweeney is he is moving away from the Bruin identity. Something that has been a sense of pride for over 50 years. |
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dothedougie
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Location: DISCLAIMER: HEAVY SARCASM FILTER, CO Joined: 10.24.2013
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Great response, par for the course from you 👍 - Shaundre93
Awwww. Cute of you to acknowledge me on your post rampage. |
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dothedougie
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Location: DISCLAIMER: HEAVY SARCASM FILTER, CO Joined: 10.24.2013
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Bingo! Also written communication ALWAYS translates poorly. It's why the internet is a dumpster fire in the 1st place. - glove_was_stuck
This. Sarcasm should be implied. Guess it's too much for some people though |
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dothedougie
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I have four tickets so if any of you idiots want to have a hockey buzz night. I’m in lol that would be hilarious
No Sweeney talk allowed lol - Mahewman
That's tough but heck yeah man! I would be too drunk to give a (frank) anyway |
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Mahewman
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Location: NH Joined: 07.01.2009
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That's tough but heck yeah man! I would be too drunk to give a (frank) anyway - dothedougie
Weekend it is lol |
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77emac77
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Location: Duct tape cant fix stupid but it can muffle the sound, MA Joined: 04.22.2010
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It’s great to be optimistic. I always have hope but it’s ok to question moves that are made. I have followed the B’s since 1967. My problem is that in this era we have had one of the best core groups ,Sweeney in my opinion has been in position to put them over the top but his moves are mediocre. Sometimes the frustration of being so close is hard to take. Last 8 finals I have seen we are 1-7. This core is special and they deserve more. Not just mediocre. Biggest problem I have with Sweeney is he is moving away from the Bruin identity. Something that has been a sense of pride for over 50 years. - johnnypie
some of it is not for lack of trying, the Nash deal, was great on paper and should have put them over the top, then, stuff happened. His drafting has been so abysmal there is nothing in the pipeline but a dozen 4th line centers. I also think he f'd up by not keeping Vladar as a backup, and or giving Ulmark the terms he gave him. Swayman wasnt exactly "proven" but to me he looked good enough to take a chance, and you dont sign a backup goalie for what he got. |
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Nasty_Duck
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Location: ON Joined: 06.20.2012
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some of it is not for lack of trying, the Nash deal, was great on paper and should have put them over the top, then, stuff happened. His drafting has been so abysmal there is nothing in the pipeline but a dozen 4th line centers. I also think he f'd up by not keeping Vladar as a backup, and or giving Ulmark the terms he gave him. Swayman wasnt exactly "proven" but to me he looked good enough to take a chance, and you dont sign a backup goalie for what he got. - 77emac77
So going a far back as 2017 Draft picks - is Swayman the only "regular" Bruin?
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dothedougie
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So going a far back as 2017 Draft picks - is Swayman the only "regular" Bruin? - Nasty_Duck
Ehh kinda. Vaak played but got injured. So technically yeah |
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Mahewman
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So going a far back as 2017 Draft picks - is Swayman the only "regular" Bruin? - Nasty_Duck
You specifically started at 2017 to make your point. Even though 2016 was a good draft.
2 of the four years. The Bruins didn't have a first round pick. They also had last pick in one of them.
Now go run the same report on other teams that draft late and have been contending since 2017. Go check out how many players the Tampa Bay Lightning, Penguins, Maple Leafs, Washington, Blues, Flames have had skating regularly since 2017.
All of those teams are drafting players that will help a few years down the road. Mason Lohrei and Lysell are looking to be very promising picks. We should start to see Beecher this year but he's likely going to be in the wheelhouse of Studnicka unfortunately.
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dothedougie
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You specifically started at 2017 to make your point. Even though 2016 was a good draft.
2 of the four years. The Bruins didn't have a first round pick. They also had last pick in one of them.
Now go run the same report on other teams that draft late and have been contending since 2017. Go check out how many players the Tampa Bay Lightning, Penguins, Maple Leafs, Washington, Blues, Flames have had skating regularly since 2017.
All of those teams are drafting players that will help a few years down the road. Mason Lohrei and Lysell are looking to be very promising picks. We should start to see Beecher this year but he's likely going to be in the wheelhouse of Studnicka unfortunately. - Mahewman
Saw some highlights from development camp. There is some potential there and I really hope they decide to sign Riese Gaber after this season at UND. Point of fact though, how long do you give prospects to show significant strides in development? Honest question really. I think impatience starts to set in after 3-4 years with no significant strides being made towards being an NHL ready player.
2016 was a good draft, could have been better but it a moot point now. I wouldn't use not having a first round pick as an excuse for not having NHL ready players. 100% a management decision to give up that asset to win now. Its on scouting to find players they can develop from later rounds.
I think there might be some promise in a few of the players to be NHLers. We will see if any develop into top six forwards or top 4D. One thing I will say though, development is just as important as drafting. Perhaps the drafting is what looks bad, but really its a combination of the draft AND the ability to develop players. Who knows though, right now it just sucks not having ready replacements for the top two centers. |
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Mahewman
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Saw some highlights from development camp. There is some potential there and I really hope they decide to sign Riese Gaber after this season at UND. Point of fact though, how long do you give prospects to show significant strides in development? Honest question really. I think impatience starts to set in after 3-4 years with no significant strides being made towards being an NHL ready player.
2016 was a good draft, could have been better but it a moot point now. I wouldn't use not having a first round pick as an excuse for not having NHL ready players. 100% a management decision to give up that asset to win now. Its on scouting to find players they can develop from later rounds.
I think there might be some promise in a few of the players to be NHLers. We will see if any develop into top six forwards or top 4D. One thing I will say though, development is just as important as drafting. Perhaps the drafting is what looks bad, but really its a combination of the draft AND the ability to develop players. Who knows though, right now it just sucks not having ready replacements for the top two centers. - dothedougie
I think a major part of the problem is that the Bruins have not left many roster spots for young players to earn. They leave a spot open and if they have a bad shift its back down to Providence.
Frederic in particular was pretty neutered by the end of the year. I think he has a lot more potential than his output last year. I think Steen should have had a longer look as well but they didn't have an opening to let him play more.
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dothedougie
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I think a major part of the problem is that the Bruins have not left many roster spots for young players to earn. They leave a spot open and if they have a bad shift its back down to Providence.
Frederic in particular was pretty neutered by the end of the year. I think he has a lot more potential than his output last year. I think Steen should have had a longer look as well but they didn't have an opening to let him play more. - Mahewman
I think Frederic looks like a bottom six guy. I dont think he is going to be a world beater. Steen is interesting. I agree, wish I saw more of him last year. He would be a guy I want to see more of especially if he could get time with a more talented center. I think he mostly played 4th line minutes during his last stint if I remember right.
I am also keeping my eye on Jellvik. Smaller forward but he looks like someone who might have the juice to compete for a spot after this next season. |
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77emac77
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Location: Duct tape cant fix stupid but it can muffle the sound, MA Joined: 04.22.2010
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I think Frederic looks like a bottom six guy. I dont think he is going to be a world beater. Steen is interesting. I agree, wish I saw more of him last year. He would be a guy I want to see more of especially if he could get time with a more talented center. I think he mostly played 4th line minutes during his last stint if I remember right.
I am also keeping my eye on Jellvik. Smaller forward but he looks like someone who might have the juice to compete for a spot after this next season. - dothedougie
As a rookie, Frederick really got my hopes up, but he really didnt get much better, maybe new coach will be good for him.
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