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manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 14 @ 7:09 PM ET
Your height and your IQ are a perfect match, 5’9” / 59, never a good thing regardless of when you were born
- LeftCoaster

Living in American making you feel smarter than you are.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jul 14 @ 7:13 PM ET
Bad teams play bad players and turn them into picks at the tdl. Why can't Van play bad players?
- manvanfan


I have no idea what you’re on about. Are you talking about the Chicago thing from the other day?

Domi on a one year deal at the deadline would be worth something to a playoff team.

I already said I thought they could probably trade the duds without adding a pick, but it didn’t really make much sense because the cap space they would gain would be used up simply replacing that player (as they have no prospects…)
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Jul 14 @ 7:15 PM ET
You share your thoughts on the team. I am pretty sure others are allowed to share theirs.

Obviously me being a millennial, I need my hand held and throw fits when I demand things to happen and they don't. I was promised stuff, it should have happened by now.

- manvanfan


Yeah, but your comments came across as a sarcastic response to something I said, if it wasn't then my bad. I'm not expecting a flowchart from then detailing every step they're taking out even what players or assets they are looking to get, but saying they know what's wrong and are going to fix it yet doing the same things the old management group did even if they can put coherent sentences together is a LITTLE concerning (at least to me).
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 14 @ 7:17 PM ET
I have no idea what you’re on about. Are you talking about the Chicago thing from the other day?

Domi on a one year deal at the deadline would be worth something to a playoff team.

I already said I thought they could probably trade the duds without adding a pick, but it didn’t really make much sense because the cap space they would gain would be used up simply replacing that player (as they have no prospects…)

- 1970vintage

Trading all of our bad for someone else's bad. Didn't Van already do that. Made the cap situation worse.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 14 @ 7:20 PM ET
Living in American making you feel smarter than you are.
- manvanfan

I was only joking, but supreme intelligence has never been my strong suit. Having an engineering degree with a 68 average or a 98 average is the same, because you both get to put the degree on your wall and nobody is the wiser
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Jul 14 @ 7:22 PM ET
I was only joking, but supreme intelligence has never been my strong suit. Having an engineering degree with a 68 average or a 98 average is the same, because you both get to put the degree on your wall and nobody is the wiser
- LeftCoaster



1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jul 14 @ 7:24 PM ET
Trading all of our bad for someone else's bad. Didn't Van already do that. Made the cap situation worse.
- manvanfan


Yeah, it is bad. It was Rueby’s suggestion… he was probably making a joke.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 14 @ 7:26 PM ET
Yeah, but your comments came across as a sarcastic response to something I said, if it wasn't then my bad. I'm not expecting a flowchart from then detailing every step they're taking out even what players or assets they are looking to get, but saying they know what's wrong and are going to fix it yet doing the same things the old management group did even if they can put coherent sentences together is a LITTLE concerning (at least to me).
- DariusKnight

Oh, it was sarcasm. Obviously the answer to your entire flow chart is that "it's just not that easy". As management has stated they aren't going to make a deal just because.

Yes, they want to fix the D. You need another team willing to make a trade with. You need free agents that fit into your cap and even want to come to your team. No one wants Miller past 30, why would they sign a 30 year old D long term.

They wanted more speed, signed Mikhleyev.
A right shot center Lazar.
More grit Joshua.
More scoring Kuzmenko
4 out of 5 things have been done already.

Yes, they will do the same thing as the last management because between trading, free agency, drafting and developing. I'm not sure there is another way of changing the roster.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 14 @ 7:29 PM ET
Yeah, it is bad. It was Rueby’s suggestion… he was probably making a joke.
- 1970vintage

So was I. 😆

I'm in a good mood. Saw some highlights from the scrimmage. It's a couple months of no hockey.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 14 @ 7:29 PM ET
Yeah, it is bad. It was Rueby’s suggestion… he was probably making a joke.
- 1970vintage

So was I. 😆

I'm in a good mood. Saw some highlights from the scrimmage. It's a couple months of no hockey.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jul 14 @ 7:29 PM ET
Canucks sign D Christian Wolanin 2-way deal.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 14 @ 7:40 PM ET
Canucks sign D Christian Wolanin 2-way deal.
- 1970vintage

AhL depth being built up now.

I got wonder if Canucks are trying to drive down Miller's price by saying there isn't that much interest in him.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 14 @ 7:41 PM ET
I was only joking, but supreme intelligence has never been my strong suit. Having an engineering degree with a 68 average or a 98 average is the same, because you both get to put the degree on your wall and nobody is the wiser
- LeftCoaster

I know you were but it's no fun if the chirping just stops.
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Jul 14 @ 7:48 PM ET
Oh, it was sarcasm. Obviously the answer to your entire flow chart is that "it's just not that easy". As management has stated they aren't going to make a deal just because.

Yes, they want to fix the D. You need another team willing to make a trade with. You need free agents that fit into your cap and even want to come to your team. No one wants Miller past 30, why would they sign a 30 year old D long term.

They wanted more speed, signed Mikhleyev.
A right shot center Lazar.
More grit Joshua.
More scoring Kuzmenko
4 out of 5 things have been done already.

Yes, they will do the same thing as the last management because between trading, free agency, drafting and developing. I'm not sure there is another way of changing the roster.

- manvanfan

Of course it's not easy, if it was we'd be contenders already. The problem is that when you say one thing and do another makes you lose credibility real fast.

They wanted more speed, signed Mikhleyev.

- Sure, but it's a reach and overpay for someone who played with Matthews, Marner, Tavares et.al. and had a career season because of it. Kind of like going after a Brandon Sutter and signing him to a deal that he could never live up to no?
A right shot center Lazar.

- Ok, I'll give them this, he's serviceable and for a 4th line center he'll be maybe a slight upgrade on Lammiko.
More grit Joshua.

- Is he going to even play much though? I see him as another 13th forward like Ferland was before his injuries.
More scoring Kuzmenko

- Sure, but he has an equal chance of being a Vadim Shipachyov who doesn't even crack the final regular season roster as being as good as Panarin. It's praiseworthy of this management group to woo the most coveted Euro player to the team but it's definitely a risk. Much like Benning and his NCAA signings.
4 out of 5 things have been done already.

- Sure, but D still the same and no indication that anything might be imminent to address it. It's never been the forward position that was the issue. You'd like to see them have a bit more size and grit and balance up front but scoring wasn't an issue. The D core is so bad, it's an embarrassment and nothing has changed, it's fair to wonder if they really have the brass ones to potentially make a big trade to make big changes considering the history of the top members of the management group.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jul 14 @ 7:48 PM ET
AhL depth being built up now.

I got wonder if Canucks are trying to drive down Miller's price by saying there isn't that much interest in him.

- manvanfan


You make the Canucks mgmt sounds like an emotionally abusive boyfriend.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Jul 14 @ 7:55 PM ET
Oh, it was sarcasm. Obviously the answer to your entire flow chart is that "it's just not that easy". As management has stated they aren't going to make a deal just because.

Yes, they want to fix the D. You need another team willing to make a trade with. You need free agents that fit into your cap and even want to come to your team. No one wants Miller past 30, why would they sign a 30 year old D long term.

They wanted more speed, signed Mikhleyev.
A right shot center Lazar.
More grit Joshua.
More scoring Kuzmenko
4 out of 5 things have been done already.


Yes, they will do the same thing as the last management because between trading, free agency, drafting and developing. I'm not sure there is another way of changing the roster.

- manvanfan


Tweaking the existing roster. They think they can make the playoffs with this core.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jul 14 @ 8:00 PM ET
Tweaking the existing roster. They think they can make the playoffs with this core.
- boonerbuck


Requires a few 'ifs' but they might be right.

If the team stays healthy.
If the new additions produce as expected and mesh well.
If the youngsters take another step and improve.
If JTM continues his pace.
If goaltending remains solid.
And if Cgy and Vegas take a step back...
Then we can make the playoffs.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jul 14 @ 8:00 PM ET
Twitchy fingers...
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jul 14 @ 8:22 PM ET
Canucks sign D Christian Wolanin 2-way deal.
- 1970vintage

*Abbotsford Canucks
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jul 14 @ 8:23 PM ET
Yeah, it is bad. It was Rueby’s suggestion… he was probably making a joke.
- 1970vintage


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DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Jul 14 @ 8:25 PM ET
Requires a few 'ifs' but they might be right.

If the team stays healthy.

- dbot

That's a big if, you'd like to see a lot more depth or prospects in the AHL that can step up as replacements.
If the new additions produce as expected and mesh well.

That's also a big if, you expect then to take a bit to get up to speed and build chemistry before they do.
If the youngsters take another step and improve.

Possible, but more likely they plateau, because of the bad D core.
If JTM continues his pace.

More likely he takes a small step back and is a 60-70 point player.
If goaltending remains solid.

If they don't fix the D core, even Demko at his best, won't be able to steal every game for us.
And if Cgy and Vegas take a step back...

Probably they do, but Edmonton is still a playoff team, LA and Anaheim are rising fast and we're standing pat.
Then we can make the playoffs.

I wouldn't put money on it if I were you..
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jul 14 @ 8:26 PM ET
Canucks have been in a tight battle for top spot on capfriendly. They are stabilizing in 4th position, after dropping down to as low as 6th and as high as 2nd.
Been some pretty good jockeying for position and the team should be able to hold onto a spot in the top 5.
TurdFergeson
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: On the road again
Joined: 01.04.2021

Jul 14 @ 8:36 PM ET
I personally would like to see some evidence of an actual long-term plan with regards to getting us to be mentioned in the same breath as Colorado or NYR or Tampa or Edmonton. Teams that have either won a Cup (or two) or are just on the cusp of being able to breakthrough to win.

Trading Miller, Garland, Pearson and maybe even Myers or better yet OEL would go a long way in letting us take a step back in order to take a giant leap forward by giving us cap space to weaponize and going prospects and draft capital to use

- DariusKnight


Lol. Good one.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jul 14 @ 8:41 PM ET
I think Hoglander stays based on age and salary. It would be foolish to move him. Garland is the teams second best 5 on 5 producer... plays with grit in the top 9... ideally you'd like to keep him but then there's the salary issue.

By not moving Miller, you may end up having to move players that could be in the long term plans for a player not in the long term plans...

- boonerbuck


It doesn't surprise me you're infatuated with the little b*tches
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jul 14 @ 8:43 PM ET
Tweaking the existing roster. They think they can make the playoffs with this core.
- boonerbuck

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